Gabe Davis out for season.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Less hits?  Come on dude.  The human body cannot take the head impacts Josh has taken (1 is too much) without some kind of lingering issues eventually. Even when it's him shaking his hand after a run like versus Arizona or in the Chiefs game it's disconcerting.

 

And that's because they didn't resource the offense appropriately, which became apparent after Week 5's loss in Houston.  

 

Point is, the HC and OC all too often use their quarter-billion dollar asset sometimes like he's just another player when in fact he's the difference between being a top-2 seed and picking in the top-5.    

 

Correct imo

 

I don't understand how this is even a controversial take. Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Correct imo

 

I don't understand how this is even a controversial take. Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league 

 

This strikes me as recency bias.

That boy willingly gets the snot knocked out of him every year.

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Less hits?  Come on dude.  The human body cannot take the head impacts Josh has taken (1 is too much) without some kind of lingering issues eventually. Even when it's him shaking his hand after a run like versus Arizona or in the Chiefs game it's disconcerting.

 

And that's because they didn't resource the offense appropriately, which became apparent after Week 5's loss in Houston.  

 

Point is, the HC and OC all too often use their quarter-billion dollar asset sometimes like he's just another player when in fact he's the difference between being a top-2 seed and picking in the top-5.    

 

 Nuthin but luv, but, “by the numbers”  is he running more?  The numbers say no, 

 

the allocation of resources is to be openly debated,I have complained regularly that they don’t do enough to protect him or supply enough weapons, but Josh is a QB who runs the ball, that was the case the day he got here, and has been modified by him sliding and taking less hits, even the 26 yard run into the end zone he was hit once and that wasn’t particularly hard, all the other guys that tried to tackle him out and out missed him, except one who bounced off him, we all watched it repeatedly. Buy the contact standard that you just espoused they should shut down the league, lol, football is a heavy contract sport, always has been,  😁👍

Edited November 23 by Don Otreply

[Einstein's Dog]

52 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Would we bring Gabe back as wr 4 if he gets released from the jags? He is perfect in that role similar to 20/21 seasons and perfect depth to step into wr3 if someone gets hurt. He's only 26 next year 

 

I would do that and draft someone. 

 

I'm kinda bias because I always liked Gabe. Id rather have Big Game Gabe instead of Diggs. 

I don't think the FO would bring Gabe back.  I think they like the hands of the group.  The core of Shakir/Kincaid/even Cook -just don't drop easy passes.  And Hollins hasn't either.  I can't think of any, what I would call an easy pass, that was dropped by this group.  

 

IMO, it's made a huge difference.   The easy drops from G Davis, McKenzie, Singletary and even Knox at times were just hard to get around.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

This strikes me as recency bias.

That boy willingly gets the snot knocked out of him every year.

It could be that I'm factoring in mileage issues when I look at it. But between the Arizona hand, bounced his head in back to back games w one on that ridiculous truck play...maybe it's a cumulative feeling. I just feel like every hit he takes later in his career needs to be put in context of put in its proper context. 

 

Willing or not I still remember Mahomes turning his kneecap around on that QB sneak and iirc Reid took it out of the playbook immediately. I have honest to God longevity concerns re Allen at this rate

 

 

[gonzo1105]

I don't think Gabe Davis would come back if he had other opportunities. His chances severely diminished to the point where he wasn't even involved in the offense by the end. I think he would want a bigger role than we would offer as well. Just don't think its a good match at this point.

[Kelly to Allen]

32 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Correct imo

 

I don't understand how this is even a controversial take. Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league 

 

This is silly. Allen has taken a couple big hits this year but he's sliding a lot and the punishment compared to what favre or Kelly took is not even comparable. QBs took way more punishment years ago. 

 

I don't worry about Allen running especially with him sliding more. More so with any QB, it's the unexpected awkward hit in the pocket that is dangerous 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

 Nuthin but luv, but, “by the numbers”  is he running more?  The numbers say no, 

 

the allocation of resources is to be openly debated,I have complained regularly that they don’t do enough to protect him or supply enough weapons, but Josh is a QB who runs the ball, that was the case the day he got here, and has been modified by him sliding and taking less hits, even the 26 yard run into the end zone he was hit once and that wasn’t particularly hard, all the other guys that tried to tackle him out and out missed him, except one who bounced off him, we all watched it repeatedly. Buy the contact standard that you just espoused they should shut down the league, lol, football is a heavy contract sport, always has been,  😁👍

 

Stop being obtuse.  This isn't a statistical debate as you insist on framing it as.  

 

It's how many unnecessary hits Josh takes because the offense needs him to run the ball.  

 

As to @Simon's point, he's been getting beat up each year.  Perhaps a couple years ago that could be, in part, attributed to his style of play.  Not anymore.   

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Stop being obtuse.  This isn't a statistical debate as you insist on framing it as.  

 

It's how many unnecessary hits Josh takes because the offense needs him to run the ball.  

 

As to @Simon's point, he's been getting beat up each year.  Perhaps a couple years ago that could be, in part, attributed to his style of play.  Not anymore.   

 

 

They don't " need " him to run it. Allen in many games hasn't run at all or very little and they boat race teams. 

 

It's a weapon used more in the context of when you want to use all your tools and capabilities 

 

If Allen is operating at an A+ level and he's running 4-6x a game to convert 3rd downs it is absolute God mode as a QB and offense. It's literally unstoppable 

 

Even troll Nick wright has said it's a completely helpless feeling and " the Josh Allen scramble" in conjunction with him shredding you as a passer is the most terrifying QB in football 

 

Nobody including the bills view it as foundational to the offense or Allen. It's simply a tool used judiciously and to make the defense game plan for absolutely everything. Elway , young and Staubach always used it even late in their career 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Stop being obtuse.  This isn't a statistical debate as you insist on framing it as.  

 

It's how many unnecessary hits Josh takes because the offense needs him to run the ball.  

 

As to @Simon's point, he's been getting beat up each year.  Perhaps a couple years ago that could be, in part, attributed to his style of play.  Not anymore.   

Josh insists on his style of play like it or not, on top of that,  both our GM and HC have implored him to stop taking unnecessary hits for several seasons, he now has started to take this advise to heart and has been sliding with far more regularity, there is nothing that can be done about the past, and again football is a purposeful violent hitting sport, stop pretending it is otherwise, nuthin but luv from one fan to another, 😁👍

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, Simon said:

 

This strikes me as recency bias.

That boy willingly gets the snot knocked out of him every year.

 

 

Yup, this.

 

 

13 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Stop being obtuse.  This isn't a statistical debate as you insist on framing it as.  

 

It's how many unnecessary hits Josh takes because the offense needs him to run the ball.  

 

As to @Simon's point, he's been getting beat up each year.  Perhaps a couple years ago that could be, in part, attributed to his style of play.  Not anymore.   

 

 

Sure they need him to run the ball. At times.

 

Any team with a QB who can run needs him to run at times. Absolutely any team at all. Pass plays don't turn out as drawn up 100% of the time, for any team at any time, that's just football. 

 

The offensive line doesn't protect perfectly 100% of the time ... on any team at any time. 

 

Of course they need him to run sometimes. EVERY team with a QB who can run does. Every single one.

 

But the pass game has been good this year, even before they brought in Cooper, and even when both he and Keon are out of the lineup. 

 

 

Edited November 24 by Thurman#1

[BillsVet]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Sure they need him to run the ball. At times.

 

Any team with a QB who can run needs him to run at times. Absolutely any team at all. Pass plays don't turn out as drawn up 100% of the time, for any team at any time, that's just football. 

 

The offensive line doesn't protect perfectly 100% of the time ... on any team at any time. 

 

Of course they need him to run sometimes. EVERY team with a QB who can run does. Every single one.

 

But the pass game has been good this year, even before they brought in Cooper, and even when both he and Keon are out of the lineup. 

 

Conflating the subject doesn't make your argument any more valid.  

 

Josh takes too many hits.  Happened especially at the beginning of the season as receivers didn't get open.  It's more him taking off on scrambles now, designed or not, but it's placing him in the line of fire too often.  

 

If your offense features/requires Josh carrying the ball, be it short yardage or otherwise, upwards of 8x or more times a game...the offense has issues that he's masking.  

 

Too late to resolve this season...but better be a point of issue this off-season.  As in, leaning toward offense more in UFA and the draft than they've done before. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 11/18/2024 at 3:57 PM, Don Otreply said:

I hope they don’t re-sign him in the future, good guy and all, but he is injury prone on an annual basis and his hands are suspect to put it mildly, sometimes ya just gotta move on, jmo. 

 

he played hurt, hardly missed games.

 

On 11/21/2024 at 1:04 PM, paulmm3 said:

No ill will against Gabe, I like him and I hope he recovers fully. But holy goodness I can't believe those jokers in Jacksonville gave him 13 million a year.

 

Bills are paying Knox 10-13 million for  7% career drops and 30 catches a year.  That's not a joke?

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he played hurt, hardly missed games.

 

 

Bills are paying Knox 10-13 million for  7% career drops and 30 catches a year.  That's not a joke?

Lol your team drafted Tyquan Thornton in the 2nd and here you are cherry picking stats to make the Bills look bad.  Again.

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol your team drafted Tyquan Thornton in the 2nd and here you are cherry picking stats to make the Bills look bad.  Again.

 

which were cherry picked?  the ones that were responsive to the other poster?

 

you're right though: I left out that he has missed games every year except this season...where he had 2 games with zero targets despite being on the filed for more than half the snaps.   Oh, and that he is the 13th highest paid TE who ranks 39th in yards among TE's.

 

thanks for pointing this out!

 

 

[Don Otreply]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he played hurt, hardly missed games.

 

 

Bills are paying Knox 10-13 million for  7% career drops and 30 catches a year.  That's not a joke?

He was miss assigned as a #2 WR, played his best as a WR 3/4, when he was basically an afterthought for our opponents, and had Diggs Brown & Beasley drawing all the attention, he had his shinny moments, but there are lots of up coming pass catchers coming into the league annually that are cheaper and likely have better hands, 

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

He was miss assigned as a #2 WR, played his best as a WR 3/4, when he was basically an afterthought for our opponents, and had Diggs Brown & Beasley drawing all the attention, he had his shinny moments, but there are lots of up coming pass catchers coming into the league annually that are cheaper and likely have better hands, 

 

Based on production (to this point on the Bills), Davis is the best WR Beane has drafted.  

 

lol Brown and Beasley....come on Brown had one good season with the Bills (before Davis got there), then he was done.  Brown/Beasely 2.0 was the most bizarre Offensive move Beane ever made.

[4merper4mer]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

which were cherry picked?  the ones that were responsive to the other poster?

 

you're right though: I left out that he has missed games every year except this season...where he had 2 games with zero targets despite being on the filed for more than half the snaps.   Oh, and that he is the 13th highest paid TE who ranks 39th in yards among TE's.

 

thanks for pointing this out!

 

 

You’re posted Bills negativity……yet again……..about a TE in a thread about a former Bill who plays a different position.   If your going to go off topic you should be optimistic about your Pats instead.  It’s a better look and they’re improving.  Or maybe just go nuclear and talk about OJ.  Dawson Knox?  Ok.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

You’re posted Bills negativity……yet again……..about a TE in a thread about a former Bill who plays a different position.   If your going to go off topic you should be optimistic about your Pats instead.  It’s a better look and they’re improving.  Or maybe just go nuclear and talk about OJ.  Dawson Knox?  Ok.

 

I was being positive about Davis.  

 

It's OK to criticize the Bills giving Knox that contract.  It's a bad deal on it's face.  why struggle so much all the time?

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was being positive about Davis.  

 

It's OK to criticize the Bills giving Knox that contract.  It's a bad deal on it's face.  why struggle so much all the time?

Lol where was the Davis positivity the last three years or so?