Gabe Davis out for season.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 It's been this way since Daboll, who was actually the worst offender in terms of 'I'm out of ideas here, call QBpower/QBsweep'

 

Daboll is who he is.  What he's not is the guy defining their overall football philosophy and establishing their correlating roster priorities.

 

The cost of not having a top receiver group is that your QB is asked to do more and in Buffalo that's Josh running.  He becomes the default option to make up for personnel deficiencies which, as we learned in the Baltimore and Houston games, isn't himself enough.

 

Maybe retaining Cooper, seeing Coleman improve combined with a healthy Shakir and Kincaid are that group.  But if Josh is carrying the ball more, that's largely because their receivers aren't good enough.  

[TBBills Fan]

On 11/20/2024 at 2:19 PM, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I'm just throwing this out there, but he might be in a little better shape than you......

You have never met @Irvin person. 

 

The man is a beast. 

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well Sean McDermott and Josh Allen concur that they were compelled to go for it on 4th and 2 because they had "seen this movie before".    So they knew it was a terrible idea to give Mahomes back the ball with 2 minutes and timeouts in hand even if they were up 5 with Bass kicking a FG there.   Stopping Mahomes from scoring one TD playing 4 down offense with their entire playbook at their disposal is not what you want to have to do.

 

As for it being nonsense to say Allen has taken a beating........he injured left his hand running in the opener,  he had his head bounced off the turf and likely been concussed twice in the Baltimore/Houston games.   And injured his throwing hand and made another medical tent trip late in the KC game.   And the play before the INT to Knox he got absolutely hammered running the ball.  All of this while out of the pocket or trying to extend plays.   He's never had this many violent impacts in any season and he still has 6 games to go.  

 

 

Moving the goalposts isn't just a habit with you, is it? It's apparently more of a lifestyle. And you're doing it again here for the milliontyleventh time. Twice in one post.

 

It's sad that I have to remind you what you said, but clearly I do. You said:

 

       

On 11/20/2024 at 6:02 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If he doesn't get that first down/TD at the end they lose and we know it.   

 

   

 

That's what I disagreed with. Because it was pretty obviously treating a pretty dumb opinion as a fact.

 

None of what you posted here is even slightly relevant to whether or not "we all know" that if Allen hadn't scored a TD on that play we'd have lost.

 

McDermott did say he "had seen that movie before." But that only means that he thought going for it on 4th and two at the KC 26 with a two point lead was a better idea than kicking the field goal. That it enhanced their chances of winning. NOT that "if he doesn't get that first down/TD at the end they lose and we know it." Again, your interpretation here is dumb.

 

And you didn't say just that he was taking a beating. Nobody would argue that. Every QB does. It's part of the game. You tried to say that this year was different. That was (DUH!) what I disagreed with, and as usual you moved the goalposts and then ignored my actual point.

 

What you actually said was this:

 

On 11/20/2024 at 6:02 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That chaotic football is entertaining but the guy has taken a beating this season they need to get the passing game in order down the stretch. 

 

 

Dumb.

 

He's not taking more of a beating this season. Less, if anything. He's getting the ball out faster, taking fewer hits in the pocket, and he's running about as much as he consistently has. He's not being more chaotic this year than he has in the past. Again, less if anything. He's taking what the defense gives him a lot more than he has in the past.

 

The passing game is in damn good shape, particularly for a unit dealing with so many injuries to receivers (Keon, Amari) and Kincaid as well.

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thurman#1

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Moving the goalposts isn't just a habit with you, is it? It's apparently more of a lifestyle. And you're doing it again here for the milliontyleventh time. Twice in one post.

 

It's sad that I have to remind you what you said, but clearly I do. You said:

 

       

   

 

That's what I disagreed with. Because it was pretty obviously treating a pretty dumb opinion as a fact.

 

None of what you posted here is even slightly relevant to whether or not "we all know" that if Allen hadn't scored a TD on that play we'd have lost.

 

McDermott did say he "had seen that movie before." But that only means that he thought going for it on 4th and two at the KC 26 with a two point lead was a better idea than kicking the field goal. That it enhanced their chances of winning. NOT that "if he doesn't get that first down/TD at the end they lose and we know it." Again, your interpretation here is dumb.

 

And you didn't say just that he was taking a beating. Nobody would argue that. Every QB does. It's part of the game. You tried to say that this year was different. That was (DUH!) what I disagreed with, and as usual you moved the goalposts and then ignored my actual point.

 

What you actually said was this:

 

 

Dumb.

 

He's not taking more of a beating this season. Less, if anything. He's getting the ball out faster, taking fewer hits in the pocket, and he's running about as much as he consistently has. He's not being more chaotic this year than he has in the past. Again, less if anything. He's taking what the defense gives him a lot more than he has in the past.

 

The passing game is in damn good shape, particularly for a unit dealing with so many injuries to receivers (Keon, Amari) and Kincaid as well.

 

 

 

 

I have no problem reconciling the fact that it's not good when Allen needs to run the ball 12 times in a game with the reality that on 4th and 2 on the 26 late in the game when the defense has confused him he has to run the ball to preserve victory.    In what way are those opinions conflicted or a move of some goal post?   It's an unintelligible conclusion on your part.

 

And no,  McDermott wasn't saying he'd see this movie before in reference to Bass missing a kick at the end of the game.   That's ridiculous to suggest.  A missed kick late has only factored into the decision in 1 of the 9 games that McD has coached against Reid.   The reference was to the Chiefs leading late scoring drives against everyone they play if given the opportunity.   The objective was to put the game out of reach with a TD or by running the clock out.    

[Chandler#81]

That’s a real drop off. Juss kidding. A WR who can’t catch is worthless..🤷‍♂️

[ProcessTruster]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:31 PM, Virgil said:

The exchange of Hollins for Davis, both output and contract is a genius move by Beane. 

one of the many.. 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I have no problem reconciling the fact that it's not good when Allen needs to run the ball 12 times in a game with the reality that on 4th and 2 on the 26 late in the game when the defense has confused him he has to run the ball to preserve victory.   

 

Funny how none of the analysts, including those who have been breaking down tape for decades like Cosell or have played QB in the NFL like Simms or Orlovsky, seem to think the defense "confused" Allen.  Allen and Brady both said he had a check to a zone beater play;  someone here pointed out Allen shifted the protections before the play, indicating he recognized the original called play wouldn't work with the D he saw, and made the decision to run.  Allen could also have converted the 1st down and slid.  Just how do you define "reality"?

The reality is that this is the first game this season when Allen has run the ball 12 times.  In fact, to this point in the season, Allen's rushes per game are a career low for him, 6.1 A/G - down from the career high 7.8 A/G he had under Dorsey in 2022 or the 7.3 he had under Daboll in 2021.

He's also on-pace for a career low in QB pressures (on pace for 99, vs last year 126 or 184 in 2021), sacks ( on pace for 20, previous low last year, 24), and close to a career low of QB hits (on pace for 43, previous low 40).  

[djp14150]

Can we just rename the doll Chad?

[Pete]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

That’s a real drop off. Juss kidding. A WR who can’t catch is worthless..🤷‍♂️

Gabe drops the mic.  Literally, not metaphorically.  Like Gabe dropped the mic on his toe

[Kelly to Allen]

On 11/21/2024 at 2:21 PM, BillsVet said:

 

Daboll is who he is.  What he's not is the guy defining their overall football philosophy and establishing their correlating roster priorities.

 

The cost of not having a top receiver group is that your QB is asked to do more and in Buffalo that's Josh running.  He becomes the default option to make up for personnel deficiencies which, as we learned in the Baltimore and Houston games, isn't himself enough.

 

Maybe retaining Cooper, seeing Coleman improve combined with a healthy Shakir and Kincaid are that group.  But if Josh is carrying the ball more, that's largely because their receivers aren't good enough.  

The bills wrs were hurt in the Baltimore/ Texans game. Plus no Cooper Plus Coleman now has more experience. I think even Kincaid got poked in the eye. 

Edited 7 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen