Gabe Davis out for season.

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I would assume the coaches themselves would agree that it was not a sustainable way to play on offense - they were NOT on schedule at all, and in particular the first down play calling was atrocious.

It was one of the more QB reliant victories I can remember tbh

 

But we tend to be results oriented so a W scoring 30 we just assume the offense 'worked'

[Coach Tuesday]

38 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It was one of the more QB reliant victories I can remember tbh

 

But we tend to be results oriented so a W scoring 30 we just assume the offense 'worked'

 

History is written by the victors.

[ddaryl]

16 hours ago, JP51 said:

 

5

Wow then last year the Bills must of been a 3 in your eyes

I think the Bils are way better at WR than they have been since Allen arrived. Depth is looking rock solid, and plays are being made by mutiple WRs. No more forcing the ball to Diggs (which IMO is the reason Allens INTs were so high last year), or Davis who was average on his better days.

Right now I think our WR corps are a 7 or 8, and continue to climb if Cooper and Samuel continue their upward trajectory. 

[NewEra]

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It was one of the more QB reliant victories I can remember tbh

 

But we tend to be results oriented so a W scoring 30 we just assume the offense 'worked'

Offensively, it was Josh doing incredible things, but he was accompanied by our yac guys doing yac things, our boundary guy making the difficult look easy on the outside and OL shutting down 95.    

 

Defensively, it was a well thought out game plan by the coaches and the players bought it perfectly.  
 

the coaching was good on Sunday.  

[JP51]

28 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Wow then last year the Bills must of been a 3 in your eyes

I think the Bils are way better at WR than they have been since Allen arrived. Depth is looking rock solid, and plays are being made by mutiple WRs. No more forcing the ball to Diggs (which IMO is the reason Allens INTs were so high last year), or Davis who was average on his better days.

Right now I think our WR corps are a 7 or 8, and continue to climb if Cooper and Samuel continue their upward trajectory. 

I would say last year was a 4... but I am basing this on over 50 years of watching this team... there have been some very very very bad WR rosters... this one doesnt hit the top 10 of all time bad... So to me a 5 is a mediocre roster compared to our historical rosters... its fine, functional, doesnt strike fear into the hearts of opposing teams... but needs to be contended with... I mean we did have 7 30 point games and are 3rd in scoring.... so there is that... But to your point, it certainly does seem to be more of a grind, require more big runs by josh to sustain drives, need for short YAC passes and little down field and the lack of the long ball or anyone to go get it is honestly concerning... less now as we go into colder weather... I like what I see out of Coleman and Shakir and Kincaid. Anyways, interesting question.

[BillsVet]

18 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I would assume the coaches themselves would agree that it was not a sustainable way to play on offense - they were NOT on schedule at all, and in particular the first down play calling was atrocious.

 

Still not sure what their offensive identity is short of just hope Josh makes a play with his legs.  Which is more obvious the better the opponent.  

 

Hard to believe considering they've had the same staff and front office for several seasons now.  

 

 

[RunTheBall]

Glass Davis made the most of a mediocre skill set and set himself up for life. Good for him, he was always a good guy just not a #2.

 

I don’t think we sign him for the league minimum so he can roll his ankle in week 3 and do nothing for the next 14 games.

[Irv]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:11 PM, fasteddie said:

According to several sources, Gabe Davis has a torn meniscus and is out for the season. Ironic, isn't it? 

I have a torn meniscus in both legs.  Had surgery on 10/31 on the right leg.  It still hurts.  I don't know how someone who relies on speed for a living can come back.  Hope he recovers.  Not a bad dude. 

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, Irv said:

I have a torn meniscus in both legs.  Had surgery on 10/31 on the right leg.  It still hurts.  I don't know how someone who relies on speed for a living can come back.  Hope he recovers.  Not a bad dude. 

 

 

 

I'm just throwing this out there, but he might be in a little better shape than you......

[Irv]

6 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I'm just throwing this out there, but he might be in a little better shape than you......

Quit fantasizing.

[Thurman#1]

On 11/20/2024 at 5:40 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Indy/KC

An ugly 1 TD 3 INT line with just 7 ypa.....so they subsequently needed an excessive 77 pass attempts the last two weeks(inflating bulk stats to 271 per game) and also an unsustainable 10 rushing attempts per game for Josh Allen.   And that was with absolutely perfect passing conditions.   In a dome one week and a rare zero-wind impact home game.   

 

TN/Sea

4 TD 1 INT 9 ypa and 30 more pass yards per game and subsequently just 5 rushes per game for Allen in the two weeks with both Cooper and Coleman together.   And the TN game was very wind impacted.   The passing game was much more efficient.   As it also was to a lesser extent in the Miami game with at least Coleman fully healthy.   Not having those guys healthy has turned them back into the kind of offense they were down the stretch last year,  which was predicated on JA being used as a battering ram in the run game.    

 

 

 

 

Sorry, man, it's a dumb argument. They were extremely productive in the pass game in both of those games. Again, they averaged 271 YPG over those two games. And again, if extended over the whole season, that YPG would lead the entire league.

That's pretty much the definition of productivity. 

 

You appear to argue that because Josh had what you call, "an unsustainable 10 rushing attempts," in the KC game that the passing game was bad. That argument is both irrelevant and again, dumb. I was replying to your apparently straight-faced argument that "statistically, the passing game the past two weeks with Coleman out and Cooper limited has not been good."  Much as you might wish you hadn't said that, you did, and it's what I was replying to. There's probably a thread out there where your concern about how much Josh ran would fit. But it does not in the slightest defend your original poor statement there.

 

You argue that they threw a lot of passes in the Chiefs game and that somehow makes the fact that they were extremely productive not count? Again, that's just dumb. You yourself were recently arguing that Josh has been throwing short when that's what the defense was giving him, and that it's been working really well for him and for this team. And you were correct in saying that. That's what happened. Lots of short productive completions that extended drives, converted third downs and ultimately was the leading factor in them putting up the only 30 point game anyone's managed against the Chiefs this year.

 

You're right that the conditions against KC were really nice. But the idea that we should discount an excellent passing outing because the conditions were nice ... it's just bad thinking.

 

Sorry, your main line of argument here is irrelevant to what you're trying to prove in the post that I replied to. The passing game this year has been very productive. Might it have been better with better receivers? Yeah, sure. But with our WRs it's gotten better as the year went on as Josh and Brady learned what each guy could do, what they could do together, and what defenses would try against them, and clearly their adaptations have been very successful.

 

Was Cooper's arrival a factor? Yeah, and hopefully it'll be more so as he gets healthy and they . But have they done just about as well without Coop on the field as with him? Yeah, pretty damn close, even with Keon injured and out for both of those games.

 

And to repeat, yes, Josh threw three INTs in those two games. One came as a result of his shoulder being hit as he threw. One was a bad throw by Josh. And the third was a communication problem between Josh and Dawson Knox, who is, again, not a wide receiver. Your attempt to put those INTs on the receivers is just more evidence of your confirmation bias. You don't like the receivers group, so everything is their fault.  Actual logic, though, does not work that way.

 

The offense put up thirty-burgers against both of those teams and an awful lot of it in both cases was that the passing game as a whole was in both games good enough to overcome Josh's INTs. They kept drives going, they converted 3rd downs, bottom line they got it done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

On 11/20/2024 at 6:02 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

yeah they converted something like eight third and 8 or more plays.   It was absurd.  It was NOT how you draw it up.   And all of the analysis about how dominant the Bills were or how good the coaching was misses the point entirely.   Allen willed them to victory.   If he doesn't get that first down/TD at the end they lose and we know it.   That chaotic football is entertaining but the guy has taken a beating this season they need to get the passing game in order down the stretch. 

 

 

100% disagree. And it'd be higher it more than 100% was a logical thing.

 

Him making it a TD was absolutely fantastic viewing. But if we had simply made two yards and a first down there, in any way, we were still almost certainly going to win it.

 

And even if we hadn't converted we'd have stood a realistic chance. This ain't your Dad's Kansas City Chiefs.

 

And even if it WAS your Dad's Kansas City Chiefs, look at least year's Chiefs game on December 10th. The game is tied 17 - 17 till the Bills kick an FG with 1:57 left in the game. The Chiefs get the ball on the 25, with 1:54 left in the game ...

 

      ... and turn it over on downs on their own 46 yard line with 0:55 still left.

 

Or the year before on Oct. 16th when we score a TD to put us up four and kick off to the Chiefs with 1:04 left and Taron intercepts Mahomes to seal the game.

 

"They lose and we know it," is utter crap. Nobody knows anything of the sort. What we now know is that you yourself are absolutely convinced of it. But that's very very far indeed from everyone knowing something.

 

 

Oh, and it's nonsense that "the guy has taken a beating this season ." Fewer sacks than ever. And his runs over the first eleven games of each season looks like this:

 

2021:  64

2022: 75

2023: 59

2024: 67

 

Again, your confirmation bias is showing. You want to think bad things about the passing game. So you see bad things about the passing game regardless of what the facts show.

 

He's right in where he usually is at this time of year.

 

And by the way, he always runs more in big games. He can't suppress his competitive juices. This is what Josh's runs against KC actually looks like over the years:

 

2021  11 carries

2022 12 carries

2023 10 carries

2024 12 carries

 

You see 12 carries this year and your confirmation bias leads you to blame the receivers. That's on you.

 

This isn't Josh trying to compensate. 12 runs against KC is just Josh being Josh.

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Thurman#1

[Jay_Fixit]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:37 AM, 947 said:

I could see that, the old Shaq Lawson/Jordan Phillips method.

Both as lethal as this thread being ironic.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

100% disagree. And it'd be higher it more than 100% was a logical thing.

 

Him making it a TD was absolutely fantastic viewing. But if we had simply made two yards and a first down there, in any way, we were still almost certainly going to win it.

 

And even if we hadn't converted we'd have stood a realistic chance. This ain't your Dad's Kansas City Chiefs.

 

And even if it WAS your Dad's Kansas City Chiefs, look at least year's Chiefs game on December 10th. The game is tied 17 - 17 till the Bills kick an FG with 1:57 left in the game. The Chiefs get the ball on the 25, with 1:54 left in the game ...

 

      ... and turn it over on downs on their own 46 yard line with 0:55 still left.

 

Or the year before on Oct. 16th when we score a TD to put us up four and kick off to the Chiefs with 1:04 left and Taron intercepts Mahomes to seal the game.

 

"They lose and we know it," is utter crap. Nobody knows anything of the sort. What we now know is that you yourself are absolutely convinced of it. But that's very very far indeed from everyone knowing something.

 

 

Oh, and it's nonsense that "the guy has taken a beating this season ." Fewer sacks than ever. And his runs over the first eleven games of each season looks like this:

 

2021:  64

2022: 75

2023: 59

2024: 67

 

Again, your confirmation bias is showing. You want to think bad things about the passing game. So you see bad things about the passing game regardless of what the facts show.

 

He's right in where he usually is at this time of year.

 

And by the way, he always runs more in big games. He can't suppress his competitive juices. This is what Josh's runs against KC actually looks like over the years:

 

2021  11 carries

2022 12 carries

2023 10 carries

2024 12 carries

 

You see 12 carries this year and your confirmation bias leads you to blame the receivers. That's on you.

 

This isn't Josh trying to compensate. 12 runs against KC is just Josh being Josh.

 

 

 

 

 

Well Sean McDermott and Josh Allen concur that they were compelled to go for it on 4th and 2 because they had "seen this movie before".    So they knew it was a terrible idea to give Mahomes back the ball with 2 minutes and timeouts in hand even if they were up 5 with Bass kicking a FG there.   Stopping Mahomes from scoring one TD playing 4 down offense with their entire playbook at their disposal is not what you want to have to do.

 

As for it being nonsense to say Allen has taken a beating........he injured left his hand running in the opener,  he had his head bounced off the turf and likely been concussed twice in the Baltimore/Houston games.   And injured his throwing hand and made another medical tent trip late in the KC game.   And the play before the INT to Knox he got absolutely hammered running the ball.  All of this while out of the pocket or trying to extend plays.   He's never had this many violent impacts in any season and he still has 6 games to go.  

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

As for it being nonsense to say Allen has taken a beating........he injured left his hand running in the opener,  he had his head bounced off the turf and likely been concussed twice in the Baltimore/Houston games.   And injured his throwing hand and made another medical tent trip late in the KC game.   And the play before the INT to Knox he got absolutely hammered running the ball.  All of this while out of the pocket or trying to extend plays.   He's never had this many violent impacts in any season and he still has 6 games to go.  

 

One would think this is enough for McBeane to recognize sub-par receiving talent leads to this outcome every season.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Always loved big game Gabe! I'll never forget his playoff performance vs KC and his playoff game vs the colts which few ppl remember. He was a excellent pick for where he was drafted 

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

One would think this is enough for McBeane to recognize sub-par receiving talent leads to this outcome every season.  

 It's been this way since Daboll, who was actually the worst offender in terms of 'I'm out of ideas here, call QBpower/QBsweep'

 

 

[paulmm3]

No ill will against Gabe, I like him and I hope he recovers fully. But holy goodness I can't believe those jokers in Jacksonville gave him 13 million a year.

[ExiledInIllinois]

On 11/20/2024 at 9:41 AM, BillsVet said:

 

Still not sure what their offensive identity is short of just hope Josh makes a play with his legs.  Which is more obvious the better the opponent.  

 

Hard to believe considering they've had the same staff and front office for several seasons now.  

 

 

The offensive strategy is clear.  When a play breaks down, do anything to achieve results!

 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

One would think this is enough for McBeane to recognize sub-par receiving talent leads to this outcome every season.  

We have clearly been fortunate to this point with the hits he has been taking this year.  This cannot last his career