Is the "new" Curtis Samuel here to stay?

[JP51]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:11 AM, dorquemada said:

He definitely seemed quicker last night.  Let's hope this is the real deal because as Coleman and Kincaid get healthy, Bills are going to be a real headache for opposing DCs

I noticed that and actually said it out loud to the folks I was watching with, he wasnt just straight forward speed, he had balance and cutting ability. It would be a huge bonus if he becomes that player consistently. Almost like you added another legit NFL wideout.

[blacklabel]

I maintain that the injuries he's been dealing with since camp have been slowing him down. Earlier in the season, even when he was good to go, you could see he just wasn't schemed into the game plan too much. And if he was, they'd try to get him the ball earlier and if those couple attempts got shut down they really didn't dial up anything for him the rest of the game. 

 

But these last few weeks you can see he's been much more involved into their plans. Obviously some of that is based on injuries to Keon and Kincaid but in these last few weeks when I've watch Samuel out there he definitely looks quicker and more confident. 

 

So yeah, I hope whatever injuries he was dealing with are under control right now and he continues to be more involved in the offense. Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Hollins, Kincaid, Knox, Cook, Davis, and Johnson, that's a pretty good and diverse group of skill players. 

[dave mcbride]

On 11/18/2024 at 7:01 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I wasn't trying to make it sound like it was all everyone elses fault.  I am saying its pretty evident Allen isn't looking at him much as there have been a number of times Samuel was open and Allen went somewhere less optimal.  They also did use Samuel more aggressively yesterday too.  

 

So will we continue to see Samuel used in similar fashion moving forward is part of the equation, and a bigger part of the equation IMHO.  Or was his usage more a just a function of who was not on the field this week.  

 

 

A couple of things. First, on the late-game missed deep throw into triple coverage to Knox, Samuel was wide open on a crosser. Second, while had 5 catches for 58 yards on the stat sheet, he really had 6 for 75 when you factor in the PI he caused on that leaping attempt to catch the ball in the fourth. Good game for him. He also had two great RACs on throws that didn't put him in the best position for RAC too.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:19 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

Meanwhile Gabe Davis is being shut down for the season after 20 catches.

But how many targets? 🤔

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 11/18/2024 at 2:04 PM, Bookie Man said:

Let’s see him on a jet sweep eh!?

 

On 11/18/2024 at 6:22 PM, Beast said:

I’m still waiting for a jet sweep with this guy.

Out of sympathy for the rapidly deteriorating situation in New York, Commissioner Goodell has declared the 'jet sweep' play to be illegal for the rest of the season. 😑

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Wonder why the Bills have not used him more on runs and sweeps, as we had heard a lot about that when he was signed.

 

This would suggest that his injury was in fact limiting him.  I suspect that coming out of the bye we'll see more Samuel jet sweeps and runs.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

I get that folk wanted Samuel to be his un-injured self, what I don’t get is that seemingly football wise fans have so little understanding of injuries and the full amount of time that it takes to fully recover from them, just look at Tre White’s knee, it took an entire season after it healed to get back to normal, why is it that so many can’t/won’t wrap their minds around this basic understanding? 

[somnus00]

21 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Samuel was a 4 Star running back recruit when he signed with Ohio State.In his time as a Buckeye he had 176 carries for 1286 yards... an average of 7.5 ypc.

 

He also had 107 receptions for 1249 yards... 11.7 ypr.

 

In his 283 touches he scored 24 TDs.

 

He ran a 4.31 at the 2017 combine before being selected 40th overall by the Carolina Panthers.

 

I appreciate your excellent response. Though I would mention that NFL history is replete with speedy RBs who could not translate their college success to the NFL. Often because they lack the vision or shiftiness that I suggested Samuel may lack.

 

I liked the Samuel signing, and I'm excited to see what he can be in this evolving offense. But so far, screens to him aren't working, where screens to Shakir consistently find success.

 

Perhaps it's lingering effects of the toe injury. I suspect we'll find out as I don't think Brady will stop running Samuel screens. I'm definitely hoping you're correct.

 

Thank you for the discussion. No sarcasm intended.

[Eastport bills]

The Samuel in Washington and in Sunday’s game is an elusive, versatile receiver who has great hands and can be a 3rd down converter. He is a great complement to Shakir and Cooper. I am getting excited about our receivers especially if Kincaid and Knox can stay healthy.

[jkeerie]

28 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

The Samuel in Washington and in Sunday’s game is an elusive, versatile receiver who has great hands and can be a 3rd down converter. He is a great complement to Shakir and Cooper. I am getting excited about our receivers especially if Kincaid and Knox can stay healthy.

Totally agree.  This is the Samuel we've been waiting for.  It had to have been injury that was holding him back.

[Sierra Foothills]

 

There's 2 screen passes in these highlights from last year... one at 1:45 and the other at 2:10.

 

In 13 starts Samuel caught 62 passes on 91 targets for 613 yards and 4 TDs. Sam Howell started every game at QB for Washington last year.

 

[Eastport bills]

11 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Totally agree.  This is the Samuel we've been waiting for.  It had to have been injury that was holding him back.

Yeah, he had the turf toe which is limiting as a receiver. Josh couldn’t develop the trust necessary to get him on the field or targets. This could be the beginning of some consistent production especially if Coleman is not 100%

[Drew21PA]

12 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

There's 2 screen passes in these highlights from last year... one at 1:45 and the other at 2:10.

 

In 13 starts Samuel caught 62 passes on 91 targets for 613 yards and 4 TDs. Sam Howell started every game at QB for Washington last year.

 

I placed some bets last year on Samuel and he always cashed in because he was really getting into a rhythm last year - was excited we got him 

[Mr. WEO]

based on the Bills history with guys like this, he won't be on the roster next year.

[jkeerie]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

based on the Bills history with guys like this, he won't be on the roster next year.

Well aren't you just the wellspring of optimism!!!!

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Well aren't you just the wellspring of optimism!!!!

lol it’s not about that at all.  Look it up.  

[ColoradoBills]

On 11/20/2024 at 8:01 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

But how many targets? 🤔

 

20 of 42 for 239 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Fumble, 2 INT on targets.

 

I liked Davis but this is who he is.

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

lol it’s not about that at all.  Look it up.  

Well...we did sign Samuel for 3 years as opposed to a one year deal.  I'll remain cautiously optimistic if he finishes the year on a positive note.

[pennstate10]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:00 AM, Logic said:

We all heard the breathless training camp reports about how big a part of the offense Curtis Samuel looked like he was going to be.

We all watched through the first 9 weeks as he was a total afterthought.

Last week, and then even more so last night, Curtis Samuel made plays. Both his usage and his productivity vastly improved. He ran legitimate wide receiver routes and made legitimate plays in the passing game.

So what's the deal? Did his turf toe injury just finally heal up? Did the OC just finally start using him more intelligently? Were the Bills just FORCED to use him because of injuries to other receivers? A combination of these things?

Whatever the case may be, if this new and more productive and versatile Curtis Samuel is here to stay, it will mean great things going forward. Cooper, Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, Hollins could actually wind up being a very strong, versatile, and deep WR corps over the stretch run of the season into the playoffs.

Here's hoping Samuel has "arrived" on this offense and this isn't just a short term mirage.

If I’m reading this correctly, are you suggesting that our WR corps quietly got better?

[Don Otreply]

23 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Totally agree.  This is the Samuel we've been waiting for.  It had to have been injury that was holding him back.

Of course it was injury, look how conservative McDermott is with players that are recovering from injury, he doesn’t push anyone back into playing a high percentage of snaps until they are good to go, it fruitless to do otherwise,