UConn James Posted Monday at 04:05 PM Posted Monday at 04:05 PM 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: yup, schoen and daboll deserve to be fired. They hitched their wagon to Daniel jones, despite everyone knowing who he was. Very bizarre move. To be fair, I would bet that an ownership directive hitched their wagon to DJ. Which is why the owner said Shoen/Daboll will be back next year. Starting DeVitto means the tank is on for better draft position to take the next QB. 1 2 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted Monday at 04:24 PM Posted Monday at 04:24 PM 2 hours ago, FireChans said: He might be but it’s a mistake. The most important thing for the Giants’ success was DJ becoming a good starting QB. Not retaining a good 28 year old running back. The ownership wanted Jones to succeed and hired Daboll to fix him. They weren’t ready to accept he wasn’t the guy. Schoen/Daboll got him weapons, improved his OL, and he still stinks. They should get a shot with their own QB imo. The Barkley thing is a total red-herring. The Giants would still be terrible and benching Jones with him. Daboll simply doesn't have what it takes for any kind of sustained success as a HC. His proponents were just dead wrong about him and can't admit it. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted Monday at 04:56 PM Posted Monday at 04:56 PM 31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Daboll simply doesn't have what it takes for any kind of sustained success as a HC. His proponents were just dead wrong about him and can't admit it. Meh, I’ll admit I may be wrong about Daboll, but “not being able to build a sustainable winning football program with Daniel Jones” isn’t gonna be the reason why. 2 Quote
Malazan Posted Monday at 05:00 PM Posted Monday at 05:00 PM 2 hours ago, davefan66 said: Schoen will most likely be back in Buffalo. Will wait for his next GM gig after the stink of Jones gets off him. GM getting a 2nd shot even after time is a lot more rare than coaches. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted Monday at 05:08 PM Posted Monday at 05:08 PM 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Meh, I’ll admit I may be wrong about Daboll, but “not being able to build a sustainable winning football program with Daniel Jones” isn’t gonna be the reason why. Sure, because it's much simpler than that. He's just a very fundamentally flawed football coach. Quote
Sojourner Posted Monday at 05:09 PM Posted Monday at 05:09 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, UConn James said: . Starting DeVitto means the tank is on for better draft position to take the next QB. The question becomes, who do they take? The draft is always a crap shoot on QBs. We’ve seen it a lot over history for that position. This year there is going to be a few talented guys. Tough to decide who is going to develop the best. Cam Ward, Shadeur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, Quinn Ewers? Maybe they even trade out of the top pick if they land it and grab a guy in the day 2 or 3 in Carson Beck, Drew Allan, Jaxson Dart or Garrett Nussmier? Edited Monday at 05:10 PM by Sojourner Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted Monday at 05:21 PM Posted Monday at 05:21 PM (edited) 26 minutes ago, Malazan said: GM getting a 2nd shot even after time is a lot more rare than coaches. Tell Woody Johnson he'll save on relocation costs if he hires Schoen / Daboll. Johnson will be snapping up those two in a 'New York minute'. 😁 18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Sure, because it's much simpler than that. He's just a very fundamentally flawed football coach. A rageaholic! Edited Monday at 05:28 PM by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 Quote
Metal Man Posted Monday at 05:33 PM Posted Monday at 05:33 PM 21 minutes ago, Sojourner said: The question becomes, who do they take? It would be interesting if they wanted to take Sanders. I saw yesterday that Deion said he didn't want his son to play for a cold weather team. Would be some kind of poetic justice on the Giants if they had a father stepping in and saying his son won't play for NY if they draft him considering how that same thing went down with Eli and Archie Manning. 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted Monday at 05:54 PM Posted Monday at 05:54 PM 4 hours ago, Coastie said: I think the worst thing that happened to the Giants and Daboll was that unexpected playoff win resetting the bar on the team and QB when the reality was they aren't a team with the talent to regularly win playoff games. Imagine if, as some suggested here back in 2018, the Bills had decided that making the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor was enough to stay with Tyrod. Schoen & Daboll should have known better since they were part of the decision making team that dealt Tyrod to Cleveland before the draft & then did everything necessary to draft Josh Allen. 1 1 Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted Monday at 05:59 PM Posted Monday at 05:59 PM 1 minute ago, Sojourner said: DEMOTED TO QB3?! 😂 This guy’s gonna be in civilian clothes for the rest of the season. Book it. He will not see the field. They’ll get a practice squad guy to play back up if somebody gets hurt. Not a chance they play him with those salary guarantees in place. 2 Quote
SoTier Posted Monday at 06:26 PM Posted Monday at 06:26 PM 4 hours ago, Coastie said: I think the worst thing that happened to the Giants and Daboll was that unexpected playoff win resetting the bar on the team and QB when the reality was they aren't a team with the talent to regularly win playoff games. The worst thing that happened to the Giants wasn't winning a playoff game. It was Daniel Jones' playing well enough to look like he could become a decent NFL starting QB. Were both Schoen and Daboll fooled or did ownership make the decision to keep him over their objections? Maybe everyone on the Giants brain trust mistakenly supported keeping Jones. I think if both Schoen and Daboll are retained, it would be an indicator that ownership had had significant input into keeping him. Quote
MJS Posted Monday at 06:29 PM Posted Monday at 06:29 PM Daniel Jones should be a backup somewhere. He had no business getting that contract. I'm surprised they stuck with him as long as they did. 35 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Imagine if, as some suggested here back in 2018, the Bills had decided that making the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor was enough to stay with Tyrod. Schoen & Daboll should have known better since they were part of the decision making team that dealt Tyrod to Cleveland before the draft & then did everything necessary to draft Josh Allen. And McDermott benched Tyrod once. He knew exactly what Tyrod was and that he was not good enough to be a starting QB. Quote
Poleshifter Posted Monday at 06:34 PM Posted Monday at 06:34 PM 1 hour ago, Sojourner said: The question becomes, who do they take? The draft is always a crap shoot on QBs. We’ve seen it a lot over history for that position. This year there is going to be a few talented guys. Tough to decide who is going to develop the best. Cam Ward, Shadeur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, Quinn Ewers? Maybe they even trade out of the top pick if they land it and grab a guy in the day 2 or 3 in Carson Beck, Drew Allan, Jaxson Dart or Garrett Nussmier? Isn’t it fun to pick through the upcoming QB crop when you know your team has the BEST QB EVER? Bills fans endured so many years of speculating on QBs. It’s nice to be out of that derby. 1 1 Quote
Max Fischer Posted Monday at 06:35 PM Posted Monday at 06:35 PM If he's fired, I wouldn't oppose returning Shoen to the Bills front office. I was never a Jones fan, but I understand why they resigned him. The subsequent injuries made the borderline decent QB into a below-replacement-level washout. It was partially lousy luck, but Schoen was also stuck with a QB he didn't draft and maybe wasn't thrilled to keep. Critically, Shoen missed on several Olinemen and then didn't trade away Barkley and several others they didn't seem interested in resigning. Despite his failings, the 2024 draft class is pretty good. There's talent on the team, and they'll have high draft picks and a lot of cap space. 1 Quote
davefan66 Posted Monday at 06:37 PM Posted Monday at 06:37 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Malazan said: GM getting a 2nd shot even after time is a lot more rare than coaches. I agree. He will be brought in and asked who should be the next coach. His answer better be Belichick with his ties to the Giants. Although, jags are expected to pull a full court press for him. Ultimately, I believe the owners sanctioned the jones contract, but Schoen will pay the price for the decision. Complete overhaul. Edited Monday at 07:15 PM by davefan66 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted Tuesday at 03:04 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:04 PM 20 hours ago, davefan66 said: I agree. He will be brought in and asked who should be the next coach. His answer better be Belichick with his ties to the Giants. Although, jags are expected to pull a full court press for him. Ultimately, I believe the owners sanctioned the jones contract, but Schoen will pay the price for the decision. Complete overhaul. Gettleman and Schoen can hire out as cafeteria monitors for the Giants, making sure that types like Kelvin Benjamin aren't helping themselves to too generous portions of dinner. 😁 Quote
Sojourner Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Feel bad for the dude but this feels more like obvious damage control to show the next team or any potential suitor that he’s a “team first” guy. Which I’m in no doubt he is. Watched the whole 10 minute conference he had its pretty definitive he’s been told his time is well and truly finished in New York. There’s talent there, just not enough to warrant the contract he got and continue to have patience for it to materialize on that team. Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) Good news is Daboll will be our OC again when we win the SB this year and brady is poached from us. Edited 18 hours ago by BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Quote
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