11/17/24 Game 11 GAMEDAY! Bills vs Chiefs post game Thread

[Pokebball]

24 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is just a ridiculous take.  Mahomes was really good yesterday - made more plays with his arm than Allen.

Not sure the stats back up this claim. Additionally, which team has the better defense, statistically. It appears to me that Josh got better stats against a better defense.

[DapperCam]

I’m not really understanding the KC game plan yesterday. The Chiefs have an elite interior offensive line. They should have run the ball twice as much as they did. I’m actually relieved they tried to air it out all game with Mahomes.

 

If we face them again in the playoffs and Pacheco is back, I’m thinking we’ll get a heavy dose of him.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This was the best the Bills have defended the Chiefs in the Mahomes era IMO. I was impressed with how aggressive we played them. They are going to get theirs and you live with that, but the goal is to keep them below 24 points and create some negative plays and we succeeded on both counts. Mahomes looked confused for much of the game and our pass rush plan worked better than I've ever seen it against the Chiefs.

 

I think it is joint with the famous "no blitz" game by Leslie Frazier in the 2021 regular season when we beat them 38-20. Two extremely different plans but both very effective for the different type of Chiefs teams they were deployed against. 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This was the best the Bills have defended the Chiefs in the Mahomes era IMO. I was impressed with how aggressive we played them. They are going to get theirs and you live with that, but the goal is to keep them below 24 points and create some negative plays and we succeeded on both counts. Mahomes looked confused for much of the game and our pass rush plan worked better than I've ever seen it against the Chiefs.

What you say is correct.

To add to it: I can't ever remember the Bills bottling up Travis Kelce so effectively. People can say "well this isn't the Kelce of old", but he had 32 (!) receptions for 254 yards and 2 TDs over the three games preceding this one.

Didn't let Hopkins affect the game, either.

The front seven was the difference in this game for me. The D-line kept Mahomes hemmed in and made him uncomfortable, and the linebackers limited the middle-of-field stuff and shut down #87.

Babich and Brady both looking like future head coaches at the moment.

[US Egg]

32 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

Stop it or you’ll go blind.

[boyst]

Couple notes worth throwing here:

The red roof in Hamburg is terrible. It's always been a little shady but it is far and away dangerous now.

 

More importantly, after the game the thousands of Chiefs fans that attended were treated fine. No one heckling or calling names, no one taunting or laughing at them. There were many kids there 6-7 and up. Adults were walking by them telling them good game, asking if they enjoyed their experience.

 

This is why so many chiefs fans come to town. 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, stevewin said:

One funny thing on the run is I feel like when Josh saw the safety there as the last man standing between him and EZ he so badly wanted to ROCK the guy and totally blow him up, but then when the contact initiated I think he just focused on securing the ball (before getting punched in the face by the next guy)

Now he has done this three weeks in a row....The first was called back due to a bogus holding call....The last two weeks, he has had his angry runs...just powering over all the defenders....Josh Allen is so unique...so blessed to have him as our QB.

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Not sure the stats back up this claim. Additionally, which team has the better defense, statistically. It appears to me that Josh got better stats against a better defense.

 

I am talking specifically about the multiple times yesterday when Mahomes extended the play with his legs and then found someone down the sideline.  Not just the TD pass, there were several other "wow" passing plays from Mahomes - the same types of plays we see Allen make routinely (but not as much yesterday, because he didn't have to).  And Allen definitely missed on a few throws that he usually makes.

 

Don't get me wrong - Allen was the better overall player yesterday.  But not the better passer IMO.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I am talking specifically about the multiple times yesterday when Mahomes extended the play with his legs and then found someone down the sideline.  Not just the TD pass, there were several other "wow" passing plays from Mahomes - the same types of plays we see Allen make routinely (but not as much yesterday, because he didn't have to).  And Allen definitely missed on a few throws that he usually makes.

 

Don't get me wrong - Allen was the better overall player yesterday.  But not the better passer IMO.

 

There were three throws on KC's final touchdown drive that were real needle thread passes. I think it was to Gray, Hopkins and Watson and on all three of them the window to put the ball was very small and Mahomes found the gap. Makes me wonder a bit if the recent interceptions have made him slightly gun shy earlier in the game from taking on those tight window throws. Because it only seemed to happen when they were in "gotta have it" mode. 

[Jauronimo]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This was the best the Bills have defended the Chiefs in the Mahomes era IMO. I was impressed with how aggressive we played them. They are going to get theirs and you live with that, but the goal is to keep them below 24 points and create some negative plays and we succeeded on both counts. Mahomes looked confused for much of the game and our pass rush plan worked better than I've ever seen it against the Chiefs.

Mahomes is really missing Rashee Rice.  Their offense has the same problem ours did before the Cooper trade.  They just don't have a WR who consistently wins.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it is joint with the famous "no blitz" game by Leslie Frazier in the 2021 regular season when we beat them 38-20. Two extremely different plans but both very effective for the different type of Chiefs teams they were deployed against. 

 

I thought about that game too but Mahomes was going through a real rough patch at that point in that season. I remember him missing a lot of throws more than I remember us making a lot of legit stops. I know he hasn't played his best this year but we legitimately made stops yesterday. We took away his favorite target, we shut down the run, and their new shiny toy Deandre Hopkins couldn't get anything going. It felt like a new defensive plan that intentionally didn't just let them get easy yards up and down the field like in the divisional round. It helps of course that the QB of our defense was on the field this time around.

[ChevyVanMiller]

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I want to give Van Demark his propers, but it needs also to be remembered that he raised eyebrows a bit when he was kept as our swing tackle backup last season, because he was still very much a work in progress as a RT.  I would say he's improved quite a lot, but RT is still not his strong side.  

 

Van Demark played decently, but yeah, we missed Spencer Brown.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that Spencer Brown is the only true RT on the team.  All the other depth guys "seem" to be better

at LT.  Grable, Van Demark and Gouraige.  Right now, it seems that Van Demark is inheriting the RT2 position.

It helps that Ryan is an ERFA next season.  Things look pretty good for next few years at the OT positions!  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone see Kelce with his sarcastic clap at the end of the game? 
 

Please beat them in the playoffs!

If anyone missed his little sarcastic clap.

 

This rivalry started heating up last playoffs. I know we’ve played a lot but until KC started coming to Buffalo I don’t think it felt like a real heated rivalry. 
 

 

[Big Turk]

Resigned to the fact that Joe Brady is as good as gone this off-season to be head coach somewhere.

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If anyone missed his little sarcastic clap.

 

This rivalry started heating up last playoffs. I know we’ve played a lot but until KC started coming to Buffalo I don’t think it felt like a real heated rivalry. 
 

 

 

IMO Babich could be the difference if he is willing to coach the same in the regular season and be aggressive in the playoffs instead of passive like McD always seems to become.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is just a ridiculous take.  Mahomes was really good yesterday - made more plays with his arm than Allen.

I definitely think the comment you’re replying to went overboard but idk that mahomes was really good yesterday either lol they were efficient when they got down to the red zone but their offense sputtered most of the game and it cost them.  Chiefs offense got roughed up in the second half 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I thought about that game too but Mahomes was going through a real rough patch at that point in that season. I remember him missing a lot of throws more than I remember us making a lot of legit stops. I know he hasn't played his best this year but we legitimately made stops yesterday. We took away his favorite target, we shut down the run, and their new shiny toy Deandre Hopkins couldn't get anything going. It felt like a new defensive plan that intentionally didn't just let them get easy yards up and down the field like in the divisional round. It helps of course that the QB of our defense was on the field this time around.

 

I just think the difference in plans represents the difference in the offenses that we were facing. In 2021 he was averaging 305 ypg and 3.5 TDpg and the Bills said you will get your yards we are going to make you work hard for every yard and buckle down in the redzone and he threw for 272 and 2 TDs. This year he is averaging 245 ypr and just over 1TD pg and the Bills said okay we are gonna come and challenge you because you might struggle moving the ball if we do that and if you make a few explosives on us, fine, we trust our offense to keep up and he threw 3 touchdowns, but struggled moving the ball and only had 196 yards and the Bills offense more than kept up. 

 

They were both really good plans against the version of the Chiefs they were facing. Now we gotta get the plan right if we see them again and pray our key guys are healthy. 

[Success]

That first long completion to Cooper really set the tone for that game, imo.

 

That was such a strike.  An absolutely perfect throw, and fantastic catch from Cooper.  You realized at that moment that Josh was on, and that Cooper wasn't just a decoy.

 

We had a lot of great 3rd & 4th down conversions just in general yesterday.

 

[NickelCity]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it is joint with the famous "no blitz" game by Leslie Frazier in the 2021 regular season when we beat them 38-20. Two extremely different plans but both very effective for the different type of Chiefs teams they were deployed against. 

 

Agree. I wonder how we game plan for them in the playoffs. 

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Running the same run play on nearly every first down didn’t help either.  

 

That's been going on all year, but in a show of respect facing the Chiefs in the first half, Brady chose to run the same play on second down every series.

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Im wondering who messed up on the Worthy deep incomplete. Was that Taylor Rapp? 

 

Interestingly both teams had set up a play by running certain things in the first half, to be a killshot in the second half. For KC it was the play to Worthy, for the Bills it was the play to Morris. Both missed by a slim margin, but it's another parallel. Either one working while the other failed would probably have been the difference in the game.