Saxum Posted November 16 Posted November 16 28 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: You should still be fined for continuously punching a player in the head even if you were going for the ball at first. A couple of those punches weren’t even remotely close to the ball defenders trying to lead with their shoulder on hits that end up hitting helmet to helmet get fines all the time First time could have been accident but when it happened he should not have tried again. Reminds me of Ndamukong Suh agent who claimed stomping was accident even though he did it repeatedly. 1 Quote
yall Posted November 16 Posted November 16 47 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: agreed - after a certain point intent should be irrelevant. Tell me about it. Got drunk one time and intended to have sex with my wife. Turned out to be her sister. 3 1 Quote
eSJayDee Posted November 16 Posted November 16 1st, I tend to believe the 1st attempt is to try to hit the ball. But the last few swings are nowhere near the ball & it just looks like frustration him trying to wail JA in the head. For that matter, many of the unnecessary roughness such as helmet to helmet & hitting a defenseless player (or hitting a QB outside the approved areas - not high or low) are not intentional. But they draw a penalty and/or a fine. This should be no difference regardless of his intent. 2 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted November 16 Posted November 16 (edited) Refs don’t throw flags with any regard to intent. “I didn’t mean to…” is never an argument. Sure, the guy was trying to punch out the ball. His intent is irrelevant. Punching the QB in the side of the head should be a roughing penalty, regardless of intent. Edited November 16 by Rocky Landing 1 1 Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted November 16 Posted November 16 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: Refs don’t throw flags with any regard to intent. “I didn’t mean to…” is never an argument. Sure, the guy was trying to punch out the ball. His intent is irrelevant. Punching the QB in the side of the head should be a roughing penalty, regardless of intent. Exactly. When a Qb is getting sacked and the defensive player touches the QBs head in the process there's a flag. Quote
BearNorth Posted November 16 Posted November 16 Interestingly Spencer Brown got a bigger fine for taunting, than Odeyingbo got for trying to punch out our franchise QB. 2 1 2 1 1 Quote
Livinginthepast Posted November 16 Posted November 16 Yet another example of the refs being asleep at the wheel for another flagrant penalty. Its not like it took place away from the play or from a fast moving play involving a receiver or rb, its a slow moving play on the QB FFS!! All attention on Allen and nobody sees that repeated punching not even close to the ball? The offending player and the refs should have both been fined. 1 Quote
BobbyC81 Posted November 17 Posted November 17 On 11/14/2024 at 8:01 PM, Bferra13 said: Bills should have sent that to the league office. If they didn't, shame on them. If they did, shame on the league. Shame on the league though either way as that is their job. So, send it to the NFL League office. Quote
Jon in Pasadena Posted November 17 Posted November 17 5 hours ago, BearNorth said: Interestingly Spencer Brown got a bigger fine for taunting, than Odeyingbo got for trying to punch out our franchise QB. And he wasn't even taunting. More like explaining to the the guy that "If you ever again tackle my QB oob, I will rip off your head and ***** down your neck!' 🙂 Quote
Saxum Posted November 17 Posted November 17 6 hours ago, BearNorth said: Interestingly Spencer Brown got a bigger fine for taunting, than Odeyingbo got for trying to punch out our franchise QB. People not involved with play will be looked at more harshly than people involved in play. One could be interpreted as in game enthusiasm and the other needs to be quickly prevented or benches could be emptied with game out of control. Referees could get more respect and less reaction if they did not make calls which appear to favor one side when apparently same infraction is called for one team but not opponent. Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted November 17 Posted November 17 8 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: We can all sleep at night now! It's 1:30 am and I'm not sleep. It may be because of about 5-7 crafts or it may be about this. I'm not sure. 1 Quote
Rew Posted November 17 Posted November 17 (edited) While the NFL has discretion over who gets fines, the value of fines was agreed upon by the NFLPA during CBA. The NFL has the latitude to modify from these values in flagrant and "conduct detrimental" cases, but most fines for first offenses follow this schedule. The defined schedule outlines which infractions and the minimum fine for each infraction for a first and second offense. Taunting (what Spencer got) has a first offense fine of $11,255 this year. Striking/Kicking/Kneeing (what Dayo got) has a first offense fine of $11,817 this year. Additionally, first offense fines are limited to 10% of a player's weekly cap hit. Dayo has a salary cap hit of $1,965,577 for a weekly value of 109,198.72. 10% of this is how he ended up with a $10,919 fine. Edited November 17 by Rew 2 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted November 17 Posted November 17 7 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: Yet another example of the refs being asleep at the wheel for another flagrant penalty. Its not like it took place away from the play or from a fast moving play involving a receiver or rb, its a slow moving play on the QB FFS!! All attention on Allen and nobody sees that repeated punching not even close to the ball? The offending player and the refs should have both been fined. Like I said many times this game is too fast and the refs are visually processing things too slow. How a flag doesn't come out on an obvious tush push kinda play (w/ haymakers) is an embarrassment. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted November 17 Posted November 17 On 11/15/2024 at 7:26 AM, Sweats said: One time?......okay, the refs may not have seen it, but 3 times and still astonishingly, the refs saw nothing? Like, come on......can anyone still convince me that the NFL is not rigged in some manner? Certain calls go against certain teams, teams are being favored, blatant fouls not that no one saw, "phantom" penalties, blatant face mask penalties that no one sees, etc. The NFL has turned into one big joke. You do not see even half this **** in college ball. Sorry.......not sorry. Look carefully at the videos posted. Before the guy starts punching, he is trying to grab the ball from Allen's hand. After realized he couldn't get it out that way, he starts punch at the direction of the ball. The third punch he grazes Allen's helmet but I believe he still has intent at the ball. That's why I believe there will be no fine. The League also thinks otherwise and how does it get proven that the intent was malicious? He could say he was going for the ball and I could see how the league could believe him. There is no 100% proof that he was aiming for Allen directly Quote
Simon Posted November 17 Posted November 17 43 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: The League also thinks otherwise and how does it get proven that the intent was malicious? ... There is no 100% proof that he was aiming for Allen directly It doesn't matter if it was malicious or intentional any more than it would matter if a DB hit a defenseless receiver in the chin by accident. 43 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: That's why I believe there will be no fine. rm Several posts previously, there's a link to how much he was fined yesterday. Quote
Spiderweb Posted November 17 Posted November 17 12 hours ago, BearNorth said: Interestingly Spencer Brown got a bigger fine for taunting, than Odeyingbo got for trying to punch out our franchise QB. Absolute garbage. These fines are meaningless in this amount. For something so flagrant, the fine should have been at least a game check/one game suspension. 1 1 Quote
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