BillsFanNC Posted November 15 Author Posted November 15 Hey bullstojan visited tonight! Let me guess more wood paneling jokes from porn boy?
ScotSHO Posted November 15 Posted November 15 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: A longitudinal study on the effects of scoring short term political points while sacrificing your integrity. LIbbies enjoyed their short term success, but man the future looks bleak for them. Better to go thru life with some critical thinking skills versus being an unpaid political hitman for a party that lies. This should be the top of the page disclaimer for PPP newcomers. 1 1
4th&long Posted November 15 Posted November 15 3 minutes ago, ScotSHO said: A longitudinal study on the effects of scoring short term political points while sacrificing your integrity. LIbbies enjoyed their short term success, but man the future looks bleak for them. Better to go thru life with some critical thinking skills versus being an unpaid political hitman for a party that lies. This should be the top of the page disclaimer for PPP newcomers. 😂 😂 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 15 Posted November 15 (edited) 12 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Sure, bud. Half the time I log in here, I have a bunch of notifications of people talking crap about me because they don't like what I said. I've been called all kinds of names by people making all kinds of baseless disgusting accusations about me. There's an account here who has spent basically the whole time I've been on this site completely obsessed with me. Last I checked, they were still talking crap about me more than a year after they claimed they blocked me. But I'm still here. And when people support the nomination of someone who isn't sure the *polio vaccine* was a good idea, yeah, I'm going to make fun of them. Because that's a really stupid thing for someone to believe. Hey Chi, I’m not a vaccine skeptic. I was in line with my arm out early with COVID (though in retrospect I probably would have passed on it), but get the flu shot, got half a dose of the Shingles shot before procrastinating the season away. My children were vaccinated and I think risk/reward is a reasonable consideration. I think RFK Jr was a bad pick here and we’ll see what happens. However, I did a quick search on this polio vaccine controversy and this is what I found: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectly-denies-past-remarks-on-vaccine-safety-and-effectiveness/ Kennedy: The polio vaccine contained a virus called simian virus 40, SV40. It’s one of the most carcinogenic materials that is known to man. In fact, it’s used now by scientists around the world to induce tumors in rats and guinea pigs in labs. But it was in that vaccine — 98 million people who got that vaccine, and my generation got it, and now you’ve had this explosion of soft tissue cancers in our generation that killed many, many, many, many more people than polio ever did. So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, Yes. And if you say to me, “Did it kill more people … did it caused more death than averted?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.” As we’ve explained before, a portion — but not all — of the approximately 100 million Americans vaccinated between 1955 and 1963 for polio received vaccines that were contaminated with SV40. But the virus, which causes cancer in rodents, has not been shown to cause cancer in humans. And there isn’t evidence that people who were vaccinated developed cancer at a higher rate than those who were not. Then, this on SV40: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC452549/ Persuasive evidence now indicates that SV40 is causing infections in humans today and represents an emerging pathogen. A meta-analysis of molecular, pathological, and clinical data from 1,793 cancer patients indicates that there is a significant excess risk of SV40 associated with human primary brain cancers, primary bone cancers, malignant mesothelioma, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. What are you seeing on Kennedy’s anti-polio vaxx stance in addition to this? Ironically, my father had polio as a young man and survived, I’m quite grateful he did. Edited November 15 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1
Unforgiven Posted November 15 Posted November 15 12 hours ago, May Day 10 said: Similar to the Doge thing, I like a good number of stances RFK has when it comes to health. However, like doge, he goes a bit too far off the reservation. Can't get behind the vaccine denial You mean the vaccine that could possibly have been tested correctly. Not to mention the science denial. Oh, for instance masks. Some people get immunity. Some people die.
BillsFanNC Posted November 15 Author Posted November 15 🎯 Quack, King, Finding all beclowned themselves with their "follow the science(TM)" covid takes and should only be laughed at and mocked.
BillsFanNC Posted November 15 Author Posted November 15 (edited) The King! King=chigoose for the new posters. If you'd own your BS, maybe just once, and not hand wave and double talk around your wrong takes CONSTANTLY, then people might not call you out on it. Just a thought. And here we go again with whining about being tagged. More than a year after I gave specific instructions in a dedicated thread on how to change your account settings so as NOT TO RECEIVE tag notifications either on an individual poster basis or globally on TBD,the King is still complaining about getting tag notifications. Smart guy that King. A leftist who relishes playing the victim. How very new and refreshing. Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Edited November 15 by BillsFanNC
The Frankish Reich Posted November 15 Posted November 15 What will Julie Kelly say? She of the ADM big ag additive lobbyist family. Kill big ag! Victory Gardens for all!
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted November 15 Posted November 15 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: What will Julie Kelly say? She of the ADM big ag additive lobbyist family. Kill big ag! Victory Gardens for all! Killer material! 1
ChiGoose Posted November 15 Posted November 15 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Hey Chi, I’m not a vaccine skeptic. I was in line with my arm out early with COVID (though in retrospect I probably would have passed on it), but get the flu shot, got half a dose of the Shingles shot before procrastinating the season away. My children were vaccinated and I think risk/reward is a reasonable consideration. I think RFK Jr was a bad pick here and we’ll see what happens. However, I did a quick search on this polio vaccine controversy and this is what I found: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectly-denies-past-remarks-on-vaccine-safety-and-effectiveness/ Kennedy: The polio vaccine contained a virus called simian virus 40, SV40. It’s one of the most carcinogenic materials that is known to man. In fact, it’s used now by scientists around the world to induce tumors in rats and guinea pigs in labs. But it was in that vaccine — 98 million people who got that vaccine, and my generation got it, and now you’ve had this explosion of soft tissue cancers in our generation that killed many, many, many, many more people than polio ever did. So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, Yes. And if you say to me, “Did it kill more people … did it caused more death than averted?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.” As we’ve explained before, a portion — but not all — of the approximately 100 million Americans vaccinated between 1955 and 1963 for polio received vaccines that were contaminated with SV40. But the virus, which causes cancer in rodents, has not been shown to cause cancer in humans. And there isn’t evidence that people who were vaccinated developed cancer at a higher rate than those who were not. Then, this on SV40: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC452549/ Persuasive evidence now indicates that SV40 is causing infections in humans today and represents an emerging pathogen. A meta-analysis of molecular, pathological, and clinical data from 1,793 cancer patients indicates that there is a significant excess risk of SV40 associated with human primary brain cancers, primary bone cancers, malignant mesothelioma, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. What are you seeing on Kennedy’s anti-polio vaxx stance in addition to this? Ironically, my father had polio as a young man and survived, I’m quite grateful he did. The polio vaccine was administered to over two billion people, prevented probably 20 million severe cases of polio and saved over a million lives. The SV40 virus has not been present in the vaccine since 1963. I don't understand how he can look at that and say that he's unsure it was worth it because 60 years ago the vaccine contained a virus that may have caused cancer in 0.0001% people who were vaccinated. Even that number is high because the cancers with high levels of SV40 were in both people who did and did *not* get the vaccine. If that's the kind of scientific rigor he brings to the table, he's likely to cause a lot of issues if he's actually put in charge of HHS.
The Frankish Reich Posted November 15 Posted November 15 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: The polio vaccine was administered to over two billion people, prevented probably 20 million severe cases of polio and saved over a million lives. The SV40 virus has not been present in the vaccine since 1963. I don't understand how he can look at that and say that he's unsure it was worth it because 60 years ago the vaccine contained a virus that may have caused cancer in 0.0001% people who were vaccinated. Even that number is high because the cancers with high levels of SV40 were in both people who did and did *not* get the vaccine. If that's the kind of scientific rigor he brings to the table, he's likely to cause a lot of issues if he's actually put in charge of HHS. And don't forget: we need to look at healthy life-years, not just at the net number of lives saved. 1
Tiberius Posted November 15 Posted November 15 I mean look on the bright side, at least he hasn't been feeding coke and screwing young girls all night. This pick is not that bad, lol The clown show rolls on
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 15 Posted November 15 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: The polio vaccine was administered to over two billion people, prevented probably 20 million severe cases of polio and saved over a million lives. The SV40 virus has not been present in the vaccine since 1963. I don't understand how he can look at that and say that he's unsure it was worth it because 60 years ago the vaccine contained a virus that may have caused cancer in 0.0001% people who were vaccinated. Even that number is high because the cancers with high levels of SV40 were in both people who did and did *not* get the vaccine. If that's the kind of scientific rigor he brings to the table, he's likely to cause a lot of issues if he's actually put in charge of HHS. I understand that, or at least I did after reading up a bit on the issue. I understand that the SV virus was only in some vaccines from 1955-1963, and the debate (to the extent there is debate) about the link between the virus and cancer. I don't see any attempt by him, here anyway, at applying scientific rigor to the question. I see a guy asking questions about the relationship between a known carcinogen and a vaccine delivered from 1955-1963. I've already shared my feelings on vaccines, but it would not surprise me in the least to discover I had soft tissue cancer and one of the potential causes was a vaccine administered in 1962. I really don't think I'm in the minority there, and taking it one step further, my thought today would probably be, "Oh, well". 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: And don't forget: we need to look at healthy life-years, not just at the net number of lives saved. Settle down, Harvey Specter.
BillsFanNC Posted November 16 Author Posted November 16 I'm certain that I saw the King somewhere in here. 1
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