MikePJ76 Posted November 15 Posted November 15 6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: The point I was making is that it is more a matter of degree... meaning that the prevalence of speed pass rush specialists is greater than it was then. Back then you still had guys more in the traditional mold, Ray Childress, Howie Long, Joe Klecko, LeRoy Selmon... these guys that didn't have a speed aspect to their games. Yes there were some bigger plodders there were not the tweener type, some of the best to do it I might add, Randy White, Howie Long etc.. but there were a whole bunch of outside guys who were just like todays edge tweener pass rushers. I would bet the amount of great or above average edge pass rushers in that era is as good as todays. LT, Haley, Mann, Jackson, Swilling, Greene, gastineau etc. On par (or better) than todays best. again, Joe Jacoby had to block LT, Jim Jeffcoat (plus all the other cowboy rushers), the eagles fronts with buddy ryan in the division plus Ken Harvey a pretty good player for the cardinals in that era. Had I mentioned a bunch of guys from the 60s I would get your point but since it was guys from the 80s and 90s your point doesn't really hold water especially since these guys had to actually block LT regularly. 1 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted November 15 Posted November 15 1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said: Yes there were some bigger plodders there were not the tweener type, some of the best to do it I might add, Randy White, Howie Long etc.. but there were a whole bunch of outside guys who were just like todays edge tweener pass rushers. I would bet the amount of great or above average edge pass rushers in that era is as good as todays. LT, Haley, Mann, Jackson, Swilling, Greene, gastineau etc. On par (or better) than todays best. again, Joe Jacoby had to block LT, Jim Jeffcoat (plus all the other cowboy rushers), the eagles fronts with buddy ryan in the division plus Ken Harvey a pretty good player for the cardinals in that era. Had I mentioned a bunch of guys from the 60s I would get your point but since it was guys from the 80s and 90s your point doesn't really hold water especially since these guys had to actually block LT regularly. I'll disagree again because I wasn't talking about the % of excellent pass rushers... that'll always be pretty constant. I was talking about % of pass rushers who rely on speed... the Von Miller types. For instance you've brought up Charles Mann, Kevin Greene and Jim Jeffcoat. All of them were excellent but none of them were speed rushers and that was my point. 1 Quote
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