Potential Christian Benford Extension Framework

[Buffalo_Stampede]

42 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

 

These two post summarize the situation.  He’s good, not athletically gifted and can get cooked.  I would try to trade him or take your comp pick because he’s going to get paid and I personally don’t think it’s worth it.  McD makes nobody corners into “stars” and they ALL struggle without him.  

Ugh 😑. 
 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

These two post summarize the situation.  He’s good, not athletically gifted and can get cooked.  I would try to trade him or take your comp pick because he’s going to get paid and I personally don’t think it’s worth it.  McD makes nobody corners into “stars” and they ALL struggle without him.  

He has an 8.14 RAS score. I think he is athletically gifted. He has elite size for a corner and still good speed.

[JP51]

1 hour ago, UConn James said:

Somewhat agree.

 

If refs are going to allow OLs to hold with impunity, why invest heavily on the DL as we have? We can’t get near the opposing QB even *blitzing* when playing actually good teams. But for CB/S that’s an area where you need to put your defensive resources for a couple-few talented guys.
 

McD can seemingly make chicken salad out of chicken 💩 in the secondary, which is where he started coaching in the league. But it would be nice to have some resources allocated there, which they have been doing.

I would just change that a bit... if Refs are going to allow OLs to hold the Bills Dline with impunity... I dont see it going the other way around... did that sound bitter LOL 🤣

[HappyDays]

DeJean and Williams are slot CBs, so Benford is currently the 2nd best outside CB in yards per target allowed. I'll admit I can't help but wonder how much of this is scheme related versus talent related, we know that McDermott's scheme elevates zone CBs, but you can't ignore the raw numbers. I also appreciate that he plays a physical style. That style will be even more of an advantage in the playoffs.

[TBBills Fan]

5 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Anyone have Benford's stats from this past game?  It seemed liked AD Mitchell was cooking him.

 

I think people need to be careful with DBs in a Mcdermott Defense.  He can get production out of most.  Lots of zone play.  I wouldn't overpay any DB as long as we have Mcdermott.  It's the one advantage we get with a defensive coach.  Spend the money on offense.

From my eye test, most of ADs catches it was Douglas chasing him

[ProcessTruster]

12 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Benford due for a big day. Rasul Douglas contract is up too after this year. I don’t think we bringing him back which means Kaiir Elam becomes #2. Corner will definitely be a priority in the draft come April.

pretty much...i wonder if the Bills will really pay up for a "mere" zone coverage corner.   If Levi Wallace could do it successfully, "anyone" can in McD's defense.  I just wonder if they don't let him walk, sign Douglas to a two year deal, elevate Elam and draft another corner.   Save $20m per doing that. 

 

Rousseau will be 25m per as well

 

one thing I do not understand is what can be done to exit Von without some monster cap hit next year.. anyone know?? 

Edited November 13 by ProcessTruster

[YattaOkasan]

2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

pretty much...

 

Rousseau will be 25m per as well

 

one thing I do not understand is what can be done to exit Von without some monster cap hit next year.. anyone know?? 

we save 8 mil if we cut him next offseason.  if we designate as post june 1st we save 16 mil but we roll more dead cap into 2026

 

https://overthecap.com/player/von-miller/2#google_vignette

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

DeJean and Williams are slot CBs, so Benford is currently the 2nd best outside CB in yards per target allowed. I'll admit I can't help but wonder how much of this is scheme related versus talent related, we know that McDermott's scheme elevates zone CBs, but you can't ignore the raw numbers. I also appreciate that he plays a physical style. That style will be even more of an advantage in the playoffs.

 

DeJean has been a big part of the defensive turnaround in Philly since he cracked the lineup. There were people here pre draft calling him a lunch pail guy. They were dead wrong.

29 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

From my eye test, most of ADs catches it was Douglas chasing him

 

He was 3 for 3 against both but all the catches v Benford were where Benford was playing soft and tackled Mitchell for no further gain. He had 3 for 31 vs Benford, 2 yards after catch

 3 for 40 against Douglas 16 yards after catch. Douglas was the one getting toasted.

[Magox]

I think you guys are going to be surprised, Benford will most likely be around the top CB pay. Somewhere between $22 - $24m a year.

 

Rousseau will get his as well which will be around those figures.

 

And the Bills should absolutely lock down both of them.    They are a huge reason why the defense has overperformed this year.    Just need to draft some behemoth sized DT’s and upgrade the safety play and this defense will be at an elite level.

[Mat68]

Alot.  It will be a lot.  He has earned it. 

[ProcessTruster]

42 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

we save 8 mil if we cut him next offseason.  if we designate as post june 1st we save 16 mil but we roll more dead cap into 2026

 

https://overthecap.com/player/von-miller/2#google_vignette

but the 8m is offset by dead cap of 15m, so net $7m of cap hit next year when he not even on the team. .. hmm yeah that works Beane. cut him after this season, yes. 

[gonzo1105]

I expect Douglas to be gone after the year and I expect Benford to get a massive extension. They will then spend a reasonable pick or two on CB's in the upcoming couple of drafts to find a cheap rookie contract to play opposite him.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

I think you guys are going to be surprised, Benford will most likely be around the top CB pay. Somewhere between $22 - $24m a year.

 

Rousseau will get his as well which will be around those figures.

 

And the Bills should absolutely lock down both of them.    They are a huge reason why the defense has overperformed this year.    Just need to draft some behemoth sized DT’s and upgrade the safety play and this defense will be at an elite level.

Exactly, and that’s why Beane ate so much cap this year ($70 mil.) so we can deal with extensions.  It wasn’t some big fee agent acquisition.  We have 10 picks next year on the draft.  That’s with the trade for Cooper.

 

We can’t afford to lose this synergy on our team on both sides.  We have lots of good things coming.  Von is back, and contributing, Cooper may be in this week, Coleman will be here after the bye, Milano will be here for SF, so barring a problem with injuries in the KC game, we can be a very strong team.

 

I could only find a 5 minute clip on YouTube, but the general in the Patriot said to Mel Gibson, “Stay the Course”.

 

I trust in Beane.

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

but the 8m is offset by dead cap of 15m, so net $7m of cap hit next year when he not even on the team. .. hmm yeah that works Beane. cut him after this season, yes. 

incorrect.  cap hit is 23 mill next year and dead cap is 15 mil so we net 8 mil against the cap.  

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

 

Those are some pretty good gifts.  His agility is poor (though his 10 yard is great) but I think he more than makes up for that with his brain.  Combine his processing and frame and you can see why hes successful.  Dane was a 4.45 for reference.  Ive only ever seen him get cooked once and that was when villanova played Penn State he got roasted by Dotson.  Youd think if he wasnt athletic enough and was getting cooked he would miss more than 1 tackle in the past 24 games!  Also he allows a sub 90 QB rating.  Dude is a dog that keeps things in front of him while generating 8 FF and INT combined.  

 

 

He’s got size, the rest is average to poor, he is a heck of a player, so it’s not impacting him too much.  The fact of the matter is he’s slow, it’s ok in a zone scheme, because you should have people over the top.  I would t pay him big money because he’s not a one on one lock down corner and athletes like him are available late in the draft all the time.  I love the guy, but I wouldn’t drop big money on him.  McD has coached up a ton of guys who have played well, left (here and Carolina) and haven’t been a shadow of themselves.   For that reason, I’m moving him if I can get good return.

[ngbills]

Not sure Benford plays a $20M role in McD defense. Her may be able to get the money elsewhere and if would not be surprised to see us replace him at a lower cost. Seems like they way the roll. The entire unit is more important than the pieces.

[DrMaxPower]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

DeJean and Williams are slot CBs, so Benford is currently the 2nd best outside CB in yards per target allowed. I'll admit I can't help but wonder how much of this is scheme related versus talent related, we know that McDermott's scheme elevates zone CBs, but you can't ignore the raw numbers. I also appreciate that he plays a physical style. That style will be even more of an advantage in the playoffs.

The physicality more than makes up for any supposed lack of athleticism.

 

He's a dog. Nobody is going to treat him like a punk. That attitude/confidence can spread through the defence.

 

I think the plan has always to pay 1 corner and rotate the other. Benford will get his well deserved bag.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

He’s got size, the rest is average to poor, he is a heck of a player, so it’s not impacting him too much.  The fact of the matter is he’s slow, it’s ok in a zone scheme, because you should have people over the top.  I would t pay him big money because he’s not a one on one lock down corner and athletes like him are available late in the draft all the time.  I love the guy, but I wouldn’t drop big money on him.  McD has coached up a ton of guys who have played well, left (here and Carolina) and haven’t been a shadow of themselves.   For that reason, I’m moving him if I can get good return.

 

His explosion and acceleraton is good. It isn't just size. And actually he is really good 1v1. 

 

If he was as you describe him, I'd move him. But he isn't. So I'm paying him.

[YattaOkasan]

15 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

He’s got size, the rest is average to poor, he is a heck of a player, so it’s not impacting him too much.  The fact of the matter is he’s slow, it’s ok in a zone scheme, because you should have people over the top.  I would t pay him big money because he’s not a one on one lock down corner and athletes like him are available late in the draft all the time.  I love the guy, but I wouldn’t drop big money on him.  McD has coached up a ton of guys who have played well, left (here and Carolina) and haven’t been a shadow of themselves.   For that reason, I’m moving him if I can get good return.

Slow is not a fact and is really a silly take.  Dane Jackson is slow, Benford aint.  Hes more athletic than Tre so you were against that contract?  Heck which CB contracts do you like cause there arent many one on one lock down corners out there (everyone plays majority zone).  what is a good return?  The NFL GMs generally agree that a guy with these type of measurables and on the field performance is worth a fairly big second contract. 

 

Agree McD has coached up a lot of guys, but they mostly dont have Benford's measurables so I would keep him.  Dude is also super smart and is a dog.  Hes truely a joy to watch and youre take of him being expendable is just funny.    

Edited November 13 by YattaOkasan

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

His explosion and acceleraton is good. It isn't just size. And actually he is really good 1v1. 

 

If he was as you describe him, I'd move him. But he isn't. So I'm paying him.

Yeah players grow and he completely outplays his testing numbers 

 

He's not the fastest or the quickest , but with his size strength and length he has enough physical tools to match up 

 

I thought it was a great pic out of Villanova I just didn't know what it's actual ceiling would be since he was FCS and you can't always tell 

 

Turns out it's high