daz28 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 "What are the Democrats afraid of!!!" Ro Khanna was on with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business saying he wants Elon in the defense budget, where the real waste is. He also made sure people understood that all they wanted was for trump to work through Congress, with an up and down vote.
Boatdrinks Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 hours ago, SCBills said: Democrats are cooked if Jasmine Crockett remains a leading voice of their party. Absolute joke of a Congresswoman. Total airhead 1
Doc Posted February 12 Posted February 12 20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: No transparency! 🚨‼️JUST IN: President Trump commends Elon, announces a news conference set for TOMORROW — — will read list of names of recipients of waste, fraud and abuse. "I'm going to read to you some of the names that hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars have been given to." “I say it in front of our our attorney general. There's no chance that there's not kickbacks or something going on. When you give millions and millions of dollars to somebody that stands to look at something for 15 minutes and walks away with millions of dollars. That money's coming back in some form. And that's only one form of corruption." "I went through a list of 200 expenditures that were made, and I found three that looked like they were reasonable. Okay, three and, we'll be talking about that tomorrow." "I want to commend Elon. He doesn't need this. You know, he's abused by you people every day. He's found more things than anybody could find." Yeah, Trump hates "President Musk." The Honeymoon's over. But seriously...gonna need to start phasing-out the "President Musk" crap. It's obviously not working. Oh and I took my wife to an ENT friend today. They had her fill out a form and it asked for her SS#. I told her to leave it blank (jokingly told her to write-in "you weren't elected"). But imagine how many people fill that in and who has access to it?
BillsFanNC Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I love the new narrative of no transparency. DOGE is putting up a lot of what they're finding on the website and the DOGE X account, the reliable media just chooses not to believe what DOGE is reporting from their audit. The same reliable media that uncritically parroted that the border was secure (opposite of empirical evidence and data) and that 2020 was the most secure election in US history (zero evidence) are now saying they don't believe Musk and DOGE. With their track record it can only leave sane people to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Musk and DOGE are dead centered in the truth. 1
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I love the new narrative of no transparency. DOGE is putting up a lot of what they're finding on the website and the DOGE X account, the reliable media just chooses not to believe what DOGE is reporting from their audit. The same reliable media that uncritically parroted that the border was secure (opposite of empirical evidence and data) and that 2020 was the most secure election in US history (zero evidence) are now saying they don't believe Musk and DOGE. With their track record it can only leave sane people to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Musk and DOGE are dead centered in the truth. Raising the debt ceiling by $4 trillion, so yeah, you can celebrate all this work going to reduce debt, but..................................reality!
BillsFanNC Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Where's the detailed report with accompanying methodology and data to support the claim that the 2020 election was the most secure election in US history? It's been 4+ years, surely we should have a detailed report by now, right? I mean the reliable media would never repeat a line for years on end without evidence, right? They would demand government transparency and evidence, right? They would never accept a government agency just saying it and accepting it uncritically, right? I'm sure Daz can readily point us to the report. 1
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) I just brought this up earlier. Remember when they asked who'd be responsible to oversee the pandemic relief program funds, and trump said "I will"? Pepperidge farms does. Imo, the largest fraud in US history: But there was also some bad news: Five programs saw substantial increases in payment errors. For example, the Department of Labor’s Pandemic Unemployment Insurance program saw an increase of $44 billion in errors. 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Where's the detailed report with accompanying methodology and data to support the claim that the 2020 election was the most secure election in US history? It's been 4+ years, surely we should have a detailed report by now, right? I mean the reliable media would never repeat a line for years on end without evidence, right? They would demand government transparency and evidence, right? They would never accept a government agency just saying it and accepting it uncritically, right? I'm sure Daz can readily point us to the report. The same report that is going to tell you Russia meddled in it, yet trump disbanded that agency??? That report? Will you selectively believe the parts you want to believe? Btw, I'm still waiting on a link to Fauci getting a percentage??? 11 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Where's the detailed report with accompanying methodology and data to support the claim that the 2020 election was the most secure election in US history? It's been 4+ years, surely we should have a detailed report by now, right? I mean the reliable media would never repeat a line for years on end without evidence, right? They would demand government transparency and evidence, right? They would never accept a government agency just saying it and accepting it uncritically, right? I'm sure Daz can readily point us to the report. Key Finding and Recommendations: Foreign Interference Related to the 2020 US Federal Elections Edited February 13 by daz28
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: ⬆️ Link to the report/ data to support the claim? So you're saying that the hundreds, maybe thousands of people involved in the investigation were "in on it"(on top of the election officials in 5 states top to bottom)? All 60 or whatever courts were in on it? Wouldn't it just be easier if, after all these years, trump just put out a comprehensive " detailed report with accompanying methodology and data to support the claim"? 🤣🤡 Better yet, just call "Brad". Edited February 13 by daz28 1
Taro T Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Raising the debt ceiling by $4 trillion, so yeah, you can celebrate all this work going to reduce debt, but..................................reality! A big chunk of the reason for the need to raise the debt ceiling is to, at a minimum, keep the 2021 tax cuts from sunsetting. Because regardless of how pretty much every past tax cut resulted in an increase in tax revenue, as the economy grew and the feds took in a smaller piece of a larger pie resulting in more revenue, the CBO continues to score all tax cuts, and tax increases btw, as purely stand alone events with no effect on the economy other decreasing or increasing revenues by exactly what those tax cuts/ new taxes would bring with no other changes. 47 is trying to cut taxes further than where they were in '24. With no debt ceiling increase, no tax cuts are possible. And, yes, the budget deficit and the national debt also routinely go up when tax cuts are enacted. But that's due to the typical spending blowout that accompanies the legislation providing for the tax cuts. Should they hold the line on spending, they shouldn't be raising the deficit by nearly a full $4T as last year's deficit was "only" $1.8T. So, without any signigicant changes to the budget from what it was in 2024, they'll increase the national debt by ~$2T. Personally, would really like to see that go down and expect a good way to move in the right direction is to significantly reduce fraud and waste so spending at worst holds steady and at best actually goes down and to also grow the economy. Work both sides of the financial equation for the 1st time since at minimum when the former Soviet Union broke up and we could reduce military spending significantly resulting in the so called "peace dividend." One final note, contrary to popular belief, ALL government spending is a tax. Whether it's paid by taxes, levies, whatever other word one would like to use for current taxes or by taking on debt; eventually every penny of it will have to be paid for and the way that happens is through taxes. 1
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Taro T said: A big chunk of the reason for the need to raise the debt ceiling is to, at a minimum, keep the 2021 tax cuts from sunsetting. Because regardless of how pretty much every past tax cut resulted in an increase in tax revenue, as the economy grew and the feds took in a smaller piece of a larger pie resulting in more revenue, the CBO continues to score all tax cuts, and tax increases btw, as purely stand alone events with no effect on the economy other decreasing or increasing revenues by exactly what those tax cuts/ new taxes would bring with no other changes. 47 is trying to cut taxes further than where they were in '24. With no debt ceiling increase, no tax cuts are possible. And, yes, the budget deficit and the national debt also routinely go up when tax cuts are enacted. But that's due to the typical spending blowout that accompanies the legislation providing for the tax cuts. Should they hold the line on spending, they shouldn't be raising the deficit by nearly a full $4T as last year's deficit was "only" $1.8T. So, without any signigicant changes to the budget from what it was in 2024, they'll increase the national debt by ~$2T. Personally, would really like to see that go down and expect a good way to move in the right direction is to significantly reduce fraud and waste so spending at worst holds steady and at best actually goes down and to also grow the economy. Work both sides of the financial equation for the 1st time since at minimum when the former Soviet Union broke up and we could reduce military spending significantly resulting in the so called "peace dividend." One final note, contrary to popular belief, ALL government spending is a tax. Whether it's paid by taxes, levies, whatever other word one would like to use for current taxes or by taking on debt; eventually every penny of it will have to be paid for and the way that happens is through taxes. Tax cuts are a loan, that will be passed on to other generations, in hopes that those dollars will be spent or invested in new business. If they're spent on stocks or not spent, then they're a double net bad. Tax incentives for businesses is the way to go. if there's no significant boost to the GDP, then they're very bad. Last time they did not work, and overall, trickle down has increased the wealth gap. Also, the price tag for that hope of investment is programs that help hurting Americans. Last, unemployment is low, so new businesses will fight with high labor costs right off the bat. It's better to do this when unemployment is high. For trump(and most republicans) it's always a great time. The main impetus of this cut is also going to be Medicaid. Sure, that's saved money right? Wrong. This will cause rural hospitals to close, and health care costs for all in general to increase significantly. Edited February 13 by daz28
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) On Wednesday evening, DOGE advisor Katie Miller wrote on X that Musk's group is protected by the Presidential Records Act. Under that act, DOGE records would remain sealed until 2034, five years after Trump leaves office and eight years after DOGE is set to disband. Musk did not give a financial disclosure as protection to us from any potential conflicts of interests with the people. How very transparent of them. I mean when you're fighting corruption, and finding the bad guys, it's always a good idea to cover your tracks. A 25-year-old associate of Elon Musk and former Treasury Department employee was "mistakenly" given the ability to make changes to a sensitive federal payment system, officials with the Bureau of the Fiscal Service disclosed in a series of court filings late Tuesday. So yeah, they lied about the read only files access. Honest mistake though, right?? No worries, it's not like the hacker kid now has a backdoor or anything. Edited February 13 by daz28 1
BillsFanNC Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Remember, NO TRANSPARENCY! Edited February 13 by BillsFanNC
daz28 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On Wednesday evening, DOGE advisor Katie Miller wrote on X that Musk's group is protected by the Presidential Records Act. Under that act, DOGE records would remain sealed until 2034, five years after Trump leaves office and eight years after DOGE is set to disband. But why???
Bockeye Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: On Wednesday evening, DOGE advisor Katie Miller wrote on X that Musk's group is protected by the Presidential Records Act. Under that act, DOGE records would remain sealed until 2034, five years after Trump leaves office and eight years after DOGE is set to disband. Musk did not give a financial disclosure as protection to us from any potential conflicts of interests with the people. How very transparent of them. I mean when you're fighting corruption, and finding the bad guys, it's always a good idea to cover your tracks. A 25-year-old associate of Elon Musk and former Treasury Department employee was "mistakenly" given the ability to make changes to a sensitive federal payment system, officials with the Bureau of the Fiscal Service disclosed in a series of court filings late Tuesday. So yeah, they lied about the read only files access. Honest mistake though, right?? No worries, it's not like the hacker kid now has a backdoor or anything. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem wrote on X that she “has clawed back the full payment that FEMA deep state activists unilaterally gave to NYC migrant hotels.” -Now individual members of Congress can withhold funds? When's my turn to withhold funds??? “Potential conflicts of interest” - come on…are you speaking of members of congress trading stocks with insider information and giving billions to families and associates via NGO’s?? Elon doesn’t need the money - believe me when I say this, he wants Freedom and Democracy for this country. Full disclosure - I lived in Washington for over 25 years. I started and owned one of the largest private intel analysis companies in the world (since sold and retired). I consider myself a Libertarian. Living in the area, i have plenty of contacts throughout the federal sector. I can tell you it’s corrupt as hell - on both sides of the isle. What Trump and his administration is doing is beyond anything I’d thought I would see. I’m not going to bash you, because what the American public has been fed via mainstream media is utter lies. You don’t know what you don’t know. Just dig deeper and open yourself to what is being exposed. These politicians need to be held accountable - Dems and Republicans. Go Bills! 1 1
reddogblitz Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/10/2025 at 3:27 AM, BillsFanNC said: $20,000,000 trips to the Super Bowl for President Trump and leaving at 1/2 time are unnecessary in the government. As aren't mega million dollar weekly trips to Florida. Come on man, walk the walk if you're really serious about this. 1 1
Taro T Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Tax cuts are a loan, that will be passed on to other generations, in hopes that those dollars will be spent or invested in new business. If they're spent on stocks or not spent, then they're a double net bad. Tax incentives for businesses is the way to go. if there's no significant boost to the GDP, then they're very bad. Last time they did not work, and overall, trickle down has increased the wealth gap. Also, the price tag for that hope of investment is programs that help hurting Americans. Last, unemployment is low, so new businesses will fight with high labor costs right off the bat. It's better to do this when unemployment is high. For trump(and most republicans) it's always a great time. The main impetus of this cut is also going to be Medicaid. Sure, that's saved money right? Wrong. This will cause rural hospitals to close, and health care costs for all in general to increase significantly. No, tax cuts in and of themselves aren't loans from the future. "Tax cuts" which are actually tax rate cuts pretty much always end up resulting in more revenue in government coffers within a year of taking effect. So, they actually end up reducing the amount of money the government takes from future generations by not having to issue as many bonds as otherwise necessary to cover current government expenses. And the last round of tax cuts DID increase government revenues as growth increased. The problem isn't "tax cuts" the problem is they are ALWAYS accompanied by additional spending and almost always by more additional spending than the rate cuts bring in thus increasing the budget deficit and further increasing the national debt. While in principle, targeted tax incentives can work, one needs to remember that they're typically enacted by politicians that aren't particularly proficient in the "science" of economics; and those politicians are heavily influenced by lobbyists who definitely have skin in the game to choose incentives that aren't necessarily targeted to the right places. So these typically end up counterproductive. As for the details of what will end up getting cut, you might be right that it'll be from Medicaid; but if the vast bulk of it is from fraud and waste then it won't be causing rural hospitals to close. MHO, YMMV. Personally am waiting to see what actually gets recommended for cutting before getting too upset or too happy about what will actually get cut. Fully expect Medicaid to be under the microscope as will the military and ALL other executive departments and agencies. But that, in and of itself, is a good thing. In theory, what DOGE is doing - finding where the government is wasting money and ferreting out fraud is excellent and is significantly overdue. Heck, if all they do is make all government spending auditable, that in itself would be a win. Am hoping that they do far more beneficial than that, but again, will wait to see what actually gets accomplished (both good and bad) before moving beyond simply being hopeful about it. And honestly didn't expect that we'd even see THIS level of attempting to bring accountability back to Washington.
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