Brandon Codrington: Solid Acquisition

[NI Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, HerdMentality said:

Cod > Bass

No. I'm not taking the bait on ths one!

Edited November 12 by NI Bills Fan

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

Not sure I could disagree more.

 

I don’t care what his average return is - he makes bad decisions, often. Lets punts go he shouldn’t, fields one should have let go, takes the ball out of the endzone when he shouldn’t, etc.

 

I trust him zero.

 

He had a poor game in Seattle with decision making otherwise I think his decisions have been pretty solid. I saw him getting some flack in the GDT and I don't get it. Sure he got lucky with a fumble, can't have those, but generally I think he has been decent. We are 2nd in the entire NFL in average drive start at our own 32.6 (Denver first at 32.7) and that doesn't come with a returner who is constantly making bad decisions. 

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

He's an acceptable returner. The real test starts now when the wind starts picking up, temps drop, and precipitation increases.

 

The fumble yesterday was an annoyance. Fortunately we recovered.

and field position matters....

[MiracleAtRich1393]

6 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Harty is a WR.

Haha yes I meant Daequan Hardy not Deonte Harty

[YattaOkasan]

42 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

Haha yes I meant Daequan Hardy not Deonte Harty

that helps clarify.  But you would rather Hardy as a CB (who even with injuries this year probably doesnt see the field besides coverage) versus Cod who is helping us to a league best in starting field position (also helped by the 19 TOs weve generated, 2nd in the league)?  At that point in the roster I think returner matters way more (they have the ball 4-5 times a game)

Edited November 12 by YattaOkasan

[bills_fan]

12 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

salmon> Cod =Bass...never really liked white fish

tuna>salmon> Cod =Bass

[BuffaloBaumer]

If I was the coach of the Bills, I would tell any return man that if you take it out of the endzone, you're cut. It NEVER works, take the ball at the 30. These idiots get tackled at the 20 or even worse, holding brings it back to the 10. 

[Saxum]

11 minutes ago, bills_fan said:

tuna>salmon> Cod =Bass

 

Mahi Mahi+smoked eel>>salmon

 

I have a friend who owns a Japanese restaurant make me Sushi Maki Rolls before every Dolphin(fish) game.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

 

The problem with punt return stats is the difference between the very best and the worst is like 5 yards. Anything in the middle is like a 2 yard average difference. 

That difference doesn't make up for fielding a punt on your own goal line or fumbling the ball. Josh could fall forward and pick up the 2 yard difference. 

I'd be happy if he just fair caught the ball cleanly the rest of the year. When it is wet, cold, and raining the 4 yard punt return and the inevtiable 10 yard holding penalty is not worth the risk. 

[Mark Vader]

12 hours ago, mannc said:

I still don’t understand why the Jests traded him to us…makes no sense.

You're trying to find logic from the Jets?

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He had a poor game in Seattle with decision making otherwise I think his decisions have been pretty solid. I saw him getting some flack in the GDT and I don't get it. Sure he got lucky with a fumble, can't have those, but generally I think he has been decent. We are 2nd in the entire NFL in average drive start at our own 32.6 (Denver first at 32.7) and that doesn't come with a returner who is constantly making bad decisions. 

 

It’s not just Seattle. He has made poor decisions in many of our games. This is kind of stuff I am talking about:

 

Our average drive start being high is mostly due to us rarely ever taking a penalty on ST the is year. That is what drives down the average drive start for other teams.

49 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

The problem with punt return stats is the difference between the very best and the worst is like 5 yards. Anything in the middle is like a 2 yard average difference. 

That difference doesn't make up for fielding a punt on your own goal line or fumbling the ball. Josh could fall forward and pick up the 2 yard difference. 

 

Ding, ding, ding! 

 

Exactly this.

 

Punt return stats don’t show when a guy fielded a punt he shouldn’t have, or let one go he should have taken, etc.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s not just Seattle. He has made poor decisions in many of our games. This is kind of stuff I am talking about:

 

Our average drive start being high is mostly due to us rarely ever taking a penalty on ST the is year. That is what drives down the average drive start for other teams.

 

Ding, ding, ding! 

 

Exactly this.

 

Punt return stats don’t show when a guy fielded a punt he shouldn’t have, or let one go he should have taken, etc.

 

 

 

Yes he had a bad game decision making vs Seattle (although one of the 3 plays from the Seattle game in that clip was Davis not him). In the other games his decision making has been pretty good. The catch at the 7 against Baltimore was the right decision IMO with Ravens right there. I don't think that bounces into the endzone if he leaves it, it gets downed inside the 5. It was a great punt. The runout on Sunday where he fumbled was also the right call. Can't fumble there but the Bills had that set up there was potential for a big return on that side if he held onto the ball and made a guy miss.

 

So yes, can't fumble the ball. Yes, bad game v Seattle. Otherwise he has been good.

Edited November 12 by GunnerBill

[MiracleAtRich1393]

4 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

that helps clarify.  But you would rather Hardy as a CB (who even with injuries this year probably doesnt see the field besides coverage) versus Cod who is helping us to a league best in starting field position (also helped by the 19 TOs weve generated, 2nd in the league)?  At that point in the roster I think returner matters way more (they have the ball 4-5 times a game)

Totally respect that view, and the staff/front office clearly agrees with you!

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The catch at the 7 against Baltimore was the right decision IMO with Ravens right there.

 

Only if we are rewriting the rules of football.

Which has always been - you plant your feet on the 10. If it goes behind you, you leave it.

 

Im assuming the coaching staff yelled at him for not letting it go, because in games after that he didn’t do that again.

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The runout on Sunday where he fumbled was also the right call. l

 

Not a chance imo. When he makes the decision to leave the endzone, no blocking was set up yet. And there were not 1, but TWO defenders waiting for him at the 20. He would have had to make 2 seperate guys miss.

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Only if we are rewriting the rules of football.

Which has always been - you plant your feet on the 10. If it goes behind you, you leave it.

 

Im assuming the coaching staff yelled at him for not letting it go, because in games after that he didn’t do that again.

 

 

Not a chance imo. When he makes the decision to leave the endzone, no blocking was set up yet. And there were not 1, but TWO defenders waiting for him at the 20. He would have had to make 2 seperate guys miss.

 

Strongly disagree on both counts.

[Captain Hindsight]

14 hours ago, mannc said:

I still don’t understand why the Jests traded him to us…makes no sense.

Jets are known for their savvy decision making 

[Augie]

16 hours ago, fasteddie said:

But...he gave up the Colts final TD yesterday. He's a lot better returner than db.

 

He actually had good coverage on that, but he just didn’t seem big enough at 5’9”(ish) to make that play. He did get his arms in there, but sometimes the other guy just makes the play. There was a Bishop sighting on that play as well, for our local Bishop fan club who wanted to see him get some snaps. Patience is in order with both, imo.  

[Eight17]

My first priority is to catch and hold onto the ball. I don't care how quick or elusive a returner is. If they can't protect the ball, I don't want to see them fielding kicks/punts. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Only if we are rewriting the rules of football.

Which has always been - you plant your feet on the 10. If it goes behind you, you leave it.

 

Im assuming the coaching staff yelled at him for not letting it go, because in games after that he didn’t do that again.

 

 

Not a chance imo. When he makes the decision to leave the endzone, no blocking was set up yet. And there were not 1, but TWO defenders waiting for him at the 20. He would have had to make 2 seperate guys miss.

That ten yard line rule went away a long long time ago.  The kicking team is too good at downing the ball inside the 5.  You risk having the ball downed very very close to the goal line.  However you do see some guys try to fake catching the ball away from where it will actually land, or instead of being a punt catcher they just block the guy nearest them to allow the ball to hopefully go into the endzone.  

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

He's an acceptable returner. The real test starts now when the wind starts picking up, temps drop, and precipitation increases.

 

The fumble yesterday was an annoyance. Fortunately we recovered.

always the Realist my Friend.😉
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