Lined Up wrong or bad scheme?

[CEN-CAL17]

Taylor’s long run in 1st Half….

 

Why would our defense shift our strength to the weak side and the short side of the field? Epenesa obviously has the edge, Dorian is lined up looks like outside shade of the LT. Bernard is heads up over center. 
 

Meanwhile 99 is outside shade of the RT, where there’s a TE, and another TE in the wing position. Plus WR Alec Pierce is motioning down. 99 seems way inside, TJohnson has the edge against that formation???? Add that Quentin Nelson pulled to the right……

 

It doesn’t add up to me. Seems like our LBs are out of position and why not have favor the wide side in alignment?! I feel like we allowed that to happen if that how we intended to defend that formation leaving the wide side basically undefended 

 

thoughts?

[Sweats]

I noticed that as well when i re-played that snap back......it just seems like we left the whole weak side open and were completely out of position for what Indy had lined up for.

We made no adjustments and yet again, allowed another runner to have his way with us.

 

This will not work for us in the playoffs and in fact, will lead to an early exit.

[Charles Romes]

This is the second game (Jets) where we let up 1 really long gain on the ground but pretty much shut the door on the run otherwise, forcing stops when they try to run.  Maybe they are sand bagging their YPR defense stats to goad the opposition into a game plan featuring the run. 

[CEN-CAL17]

Just now, Sweats said:

I noticed that as well when i re-played that snap back......it just seems like we left the whole weak side open and were completely out of position for what Indy had lined up for.

We made no adjustments and yet again, allowed another runner to have his way with us.

 

This will not work for us in the playoffs and in fact, will lead to an early exit.

You mean we left the whole strong side wide open…. Which happened to be the wide side as well. 
 

Why not just line the defense out of bounds…

[WotAGuy]

I do stupid stuff all the time too. 

[gonzo1105]

They ran this play twice in the game. The first obviously was the big run early in the game. The 2nd time the Bills stonewalled it after they adjusted. 
 

It was a stretch zone that looked like Taylor was going inside before stretching the zone outside. The first time the Bills got sucked inside and the Colts got leverage on everyone. 

[mikemac2001]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

They ran this play twice in the game. The first obviously was the big run early in the game. The 2nd time the Bills stonewalled it after they adjusted. 
 

It was a stretch zone that looked like Taylor was going inside before stretching the zone outside. The first time the Bills got sucked inside and the Colts got leverage on everyone. 

Noticed that as well the 2nd time they had no space 

[CEN-CAL17]

15 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

They ran this play twice in the game. The first obviously was the big run early in the game. The 2nd time the Bills stonewalled it after they adjusted. 
 

It was a stretch zone that looked like Taylor was going inside before stretching the zone outside. The first time the Bills got sucked inside and the Colts got leverage on everyone. 

It’s not hard to get sucked inside when your DL edge is inside 2 TEs, both LBs are weak side and a Nickel Back has the edge. The alignment doesn’t make sense.

 

But maybe that’s how they do want to line up which thst is my question…. A run like that on that alignment doesn’t surprise me.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Pure speculation but is the alignment like this because Hamlin was supposed to blitz to the right side of the offense. He ran up into the hole very quickly so much so he ran himself out of the play. Wonder if he was crashing to that side on a blitz and thus you have Johnson and Hamlin on that side. 

Maybe  Colts got lucky pulling Nelson to that side and blowing open a huge hole. 

[gonzo1105]

6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

It’s not hard to get sucked inside when your DL edge is inside 2 TEs, both LBs are weak side and a Nickel Back has the edge. The alignment doesn’t make sense.

 

But maybe that’s how they do want to line up which thst is my question…. A run like that on that alignment doesn’t surprise me.

Most defenses schemes in the NFL do not contain with their DE. A lot of times on run plays the Defensive End is taught a spill technique to get a RB to go lateral so LBs can flow to the football and make the tackle 

[Rochesterfan]

25 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Most defenses schemes in the NFL do not contain with their DE. A lot of times on run plays the Defensive End is taught a spill technique to get a RB to go lateral so LBs can flow to the football and make the tackle 

 

Agreed and in this case it was not a LB, but a safety that was moving laterally and got sucked in and allowed Taylor to hit the hole.

 

There was a great shot of Hamlin coming up and staying level to the RB and then Taylor bursts 2 more players to the outside and Hamlin reacts slowly and can not get to the hole.  I think he lost sight of Taylor behind the larger players and was just a step or two late in getting going and that with his lack of burst - made him 3 steps behind and trailing.
 

We have seen the Bills do that formation shift several times and if Hamlin plays it correctly it is a small gain or a tackle for a loss as we saw other times, but in this defense - if 1 guy is out of play or makes the wrong read - there was a gap to be exploited and no speed for others to recover.

 

We saw something similar on the Henry TD run to start the Baltimore game - Hamlin being a step or 2 slow to his spot and that allowing a huge gain.  
 

I don’t think it was wrong - I think 1 player misplayed it and left a hole that could not be filled and that happens - that is what explosive plays usually are. You can’t just excuse the mistake, but to be fair other than that mistake - they gave up 56 yards on 20 carries for a 2.8 average.  I think they are still finding their way with lots of new parts.

 

Hyde and Poyer had several games like this their 1st year in this defense as they all learned to play together and react to things.
 

Edited November 11 by Rochesterfan

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Some of you philistines refuse to study EPA.  This play was actually a good thing.

[WotAGuy]

29 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Some of you philistines refuse to study EPA.  This play was actually a good thing.

You had Taylor on a parlay with 100+ yards?

[elroy16]

3 hours ago, Sweats said:

I noticed that as well when i re-played that snap back......it just seems like we left the whole weak side open and were completely out of position for what Indy had lined up for.

We made no adjustments and yet again, allowed another runner to have his way with us.

 

This will not work for us in the playoffs and in fact, will lead to an early exit.

 

 

Lol, this is a joke, right?

 

5 carries for 7 yards in the second half.

 

Not to mention Hamlin could have made a play on the big run had he taken a better angle.

 

Ya'll are crazy.

[Dr.Sack]

Noticed Bernard was caught on the inside shoulder of a blocking OL on this one. 

[mjt328]

Based purely on body language, I'm noticing a lot more confusion on the defense this year.

Guys scrambling before the snap trying to figure out who to cover.  After a big passing play, defensive backs going back and forth about someone being out of position.  Not to mention the D-Line constantly getting burned on screens, and failing to keep contain.

 

Hopefully they can figure things out quickly.  We are already past the halfway mark, and the postseason is coming quickly.  We have a nice record and the AFC East is already in the bag.  But I'm not feeling very confident about our chances in the playoffs.

[SoCal Deek]

Just like a ‘blown coverage’ on a passing play the same thing can happen on a running play. It happens! They obviously watched it on the sideline tablets and corrected for it from that point on. 

[HappyDays]

We got caught in inside leverage on what turned out to be an outside run. It sucks but it happens. Hamlin got caught flat footed. He was our only chance at stopping this run from going 50+ yards.

 

But hey great work from Rapp on that play leveraging Taylor to slow him down enough so Dorian Williams could catch up. Between this play and the long Breece Hall run in the Jets game, Rapp is reminding us why the position was named SAFETY. And on those two plays our opponents went on to score a combined 3 points. Keep them out of the endzone and anything can happen.