Westside Posted Tuesday at 03:59 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:59 PM 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: No, my point is simply that I do not believe we should disenfranchise voters based on lies of widespread voter fraud. I also don’t know where the claim that “we are finding cheaters much more readily in ID states vs non ID states“ came from. Do you have any support for that idea? The example you provided is people in a non-ID state being caught. Finally, to actually steal a presidential election with the current voter laws would involve such an incredibly large conspiracy of agents across dozens of districts in a multitude of states, all with the voter information and signatures of tens or hundreds of thousands of voters who they are sure will not vote themselves that it is essentially impossible. Any such attempt would not only be doomed to fail but be discovered well in advance of being attempted. The ONLY reason you’re fighting so hard against voter ID is because you KNOW damn well that the left are cheating! There is no other reason why your so against voter ID. Be honest for once in your pathetic life! 1
f0neguy Posted Tuesday at 04:27 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:27 PM If the Trump administration could make voter proof of identification required that would be great. Everyone would have four years to get their ID’s straightened out. Plenty of time, no problem. 2 2 1
ChiGoose Posted Wednesday at 02:55 AM Posted Wednesday at 02:55 AM ITT: People who believe in ridiculous election fraud conspiracies making fun of different people who believe in ridiculous election fraud conspiracies.
ChiGoose Posted Wednesday at 03:32 AM Posted Wednesday at 03:32 AM 11 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Your standard is that I can't prove enough people voted to overturn the election and then present a totally vacuous dated argument. You sound like the idiots who said GA disenfranchised voters right before they had record turnout from the very people "disenfranchised". Everybody over the age of 18 has ID and you can not point to a single person who would actually be unable to vote who should. That is a bad faith argument. Nah, a bad faith argument is constantly mischaracterizing someone’s stance because it doesn’t fit your narrative and then making a bunch of claims based purely on conjecture. You know, the thing you’re doing.
Westside Posted Wednesday at 10:49 AM Posted Wednesday at 10:49 AM Why do white leftist women feel the need to disgrace her own race and the men of that race? White people who are like this are a disgrace. Maybe she should sell everything she has and give it to the first. Black woman she sees. Time to reopen asylums!
Orlando Buffalo Posted Wednesday at 10:59 AM Posted Wednesday at 10:59 AM 7 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Nah, a bad faith argument is constantly mischaracterizing someone’s stance because it doesn’t fit your narrative and then making a bunch of claims based purely on conjecture. You know, the thing you’re doing. Since you stated 24 people people being convicted of voter fraud was not a concern, if you can show me 24 individuals who were improperly disenfranchised in the past 20 years I will stop arguing. Please don't send this 4 million people garbage, because that is simply felons and non citizens.
ChiGoose Posted Wednesday at 12:35 PM Posted Wednesday at 12:35 PM 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Since you stated 24 people people being convicted of voter fraud was not a concern, if you can show me 24 individuals who were improperly disenfranchised in the past 20 years I will stop arguing. Please don't send this 4 million people garbage, because that is simply felons and non citizens. I’m not great at math, but is 1,000,000 bigger than 24? Report shows young people, people of color less likely to have valid photo identification “Nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver's license and more than 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification. In states with strict photo identification laws in 2020, more than 3 million voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a current driver's license, and more than 1 million did not have a non-expired government-issued photo identification.”
Orlando Buffalo Posted Wednesday at 03:22 PM Posted Wednesday at 03:22 PM 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I’m not great at math, but is 1,000,000 bigger than 24? Report shows young people, people of color less likely to have valid photo identification “Nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver's license and more than 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification. In states with strict photo identification laws in 2020, more than 3 million voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a current driver's license, and more than 1 million did not have a non-expired government-issued photo identification.” So how many of those tried to vote and were denied? In Florida you can a state ID card for free, so if you want it you can get it. I said show me individuals because everything you "debunked" I can show studies showing the opposite, show individuals.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Wednesday at 06:28 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:28 PM The best argument against voter ID presented so far is that potentially someone whom is too lazy to have an ID will at some point decide right before the election that for some reason they want to vote. This person of course is unemployed, since you an ID to work, does not drive, or go to school, since you need an ID to be in school. It literally is an argument that we should worry about the lowest 1% rather than pass the smallest hurdle to ensure a criminal does not steal an election.
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