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A big part of the problem with our RB screens ( and I can’t figure why Brady doesn’t see this) is that teams often defend the Bills using a “spy” on Allen. Since a screen is a slower developing play, it’s easy for the spy to recognize and disrupt it. Here’s a simple solution - stop calling that play. It hasn’t worked all season. If you don’t recognize WHY it doesn’t work, just accept that it doesn’t and move on to more effective plays. We have the best QB in football; he doesn’t need that.

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10 hours ago, Estro said:

Spot on.  Allen is so quick to want to move off his spot to any pressure or even perceived pressure...... That it seems to make the screen game very difficult. Like you said you need to invite the rush toward you, accept the rush patiently then deliver the throw. Too often Allen rushes off his spot which creates a very disjointed, difficult pass to get the screen started.

 

I've heard Greg Cosell talking a lot about the Bills disjointed passing game and Allen's too often abandoning clean pockets......and I thought today was a glaring example of both. The wins are all that matters, but there's a slice of me that is growing concerned with this passing offense. Can you win 3-4 straight in the playoffs with this offense? Not sure

This.  Good luck keeping up with KC or Baltimore in the playoffs with the offensive dribble I saw yesterday.  Next week vs KC will be a good marker of where this team is at.

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10 hours ago, 947 said:

There was a screen attempt to Cook today that went through his hands. Watching live, it looked like there was some room to run. They never showed a replay, so I guess we'll never know.

Yeah, if he catches the one about halfway through the 2nd quarter, it's a big gain. The problem was that the ball was rifled through about 4 guys and Cook wasn't ready for it. 

 

It's not very often that we see a clean screen that's blocked well, sold well, and thrown in a place where the RB can get moving up the field. 

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12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Allen doesn't seem to allow the rush to come to him long enough...

 

He seems to hurry the throws before the D is far enough sucked in.

 

The OLine is also terrible at selling it because a lot of times the entire D is waiting around the RB for the screen to come.

 

 

 

 

I think this is exactly it.....

 

JA looks like he doesn't have the patience to let the play develop

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15 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Allen doesn't seem to allow the rush to come to him long enough...

 

He seems to hurry the throws before the D is far enough sucked in.

 

The OLine is also terrible at selling it because a lot of times the entire D is waiting around the RB for the screen to come.

Defenses know there's no middle ground.  If it's not a screen, the Bills O line does its pocket thing and never deviates from protecting Allen.  If they do something else on a pass play, red flags go out, and they cover the RB.  

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The effectiveness of screens relies on defensive linemen pushing upfield. However, defenders are trained to contain Allen. On the Manning-cast, Belichick pointed out, “Oh no, the D-line shouldn’t go upfield on 17.” This approach is a core part of the defensive scheme against 17, which often involves linemen staying back, thus naturally disrupting screen plays. This D scheme inherently makes screens challenging for this team. 

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14 hours ago, Since1981 said:

The effectiveness of screens relies on defensive linemen pushing upfield. However, defenders are trained to contain Allen. On the Manning-cast, Belichick pointed out, “Oh no, the D-line shouldn’t go upfield on 17.” This approach is a core part of the defensive scheme against 17, which often involves linemen staying back, thus naturally disrupting screen plays. This D scheme inherently makes screens challenging for this team. 


but defenders must do the same with Lamar and Mahomes too? Those teams have very effective RB screen games.

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