Our screen game is puzzling

[DapperCam]

I think RB screens require a lot of practice and repetition because it’s all about selling it and timing.

 

Bills coaches don’t seem to value it as a play much, they probably don’t practice it much.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Can't we just be happy that we are suddenly good at WR screens?

Shakir is the only reason we've hit on some wr screens. 

[WIDE LEFT]

A big part of the problem with our RB screens ( and I can’t figure why Brady doesn’t see this) is that teams often defend the Bills using a “spy” on Allen. Since a screen is a slower developing play, it’s easy for the spy to recognize and disrupt it. Here’s a simple solution - stop calling that play. It hasn’t worked all season. If you don’t recognize WHY it doesn’t work, just accept that it doesn’t and move on to more effective plays. We have the best QB in football; he doesn’t need that.

[DallasBillsFan1]

10 hours ago, Estro said:

Spot on.  Allen is so quick to want to move off his spot to any pressure or even perceived pressure...... That it seems to make the screen game very difficult. Like you said you need to invite the rush toward you, accept the rush patiently then deliver the throw. Too often Allen rushes off his spot which creates a very disjointed, difficult pass to get the screen started.

 

I've heard Greg Cosell talking a lot about the Bills disjointed passing game and Allen's too often abandoning clean pockets......and I thought today was a glaring example of both. The wins are all that matters, but there's a slice of me that is growing concerned with this passing offense. Can you win 3-4 straight in the playoffs with this offense? Not sure

This.  Good luck keeping up with KC or Baltimore in the playoffs with the offensive dribble I saw yesterday.  Next week vs KC will be a good marker of where this team is at.

[Captain_Quint]

10 hours ago, 947 said:

There was a screen attempt to Cook today that went through his hands. Watching live, it looked like there was some room to run. They never showed a replay, so I guess we'll never know.

Yeah, if he catches the one about halfway through the 2nd quarter, it's a big gain. The problem was that the ball was rifled through about 4 guys and Cook wasn't ready for it. 

 

It's not very often that we see a clean screen that's blocked well, sold well, and thrown in a place where the RB can get moving up the field. 

[Ray Stonada]

Josh is not great at the kind of touch doink pass that screens require.

 

He seems to have great touch only at full sprint, with two defenders bearing down on him at full speed. Then his touch is perfect. 

[golfball323]

This drives me crazy too. Bring in Fitz, Freddie and Chan for a couple of days and get that stuff figured out. It's such a weapon when teams start pinning their ears back...

[Sweats]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Allen doesn't seem to allow the rush to come to him long enough...

 

He seems to hurry the throws before the D is far enough sucked in.

 

The OLine is also terrible at selling it because a lot of times the entire D is waiting around the RB for the screen to come.

 

 

 

 

I think this is exactly it.....

 

JA looks like he doesn't have the patience to let the play develop

[Utah John]

15 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Allen doesn't seem to allow the rush to come to him long enough...

 

He seems to hurry the throws before the D is far enough sucked in.

 

The OLine is also terrible at selling it because a lot of times the entire D is waiting around the RB for the screen to come.

Defenses know there's no middle ground.  If it's not a screen, the Bills O line does its pocket thing and never deviates from protecting Allen.  If they do something else on a pass play, red flags go out, and they cover the RB.  

[djp14150]

I call it the “ magic eye” screen 

[Not at the table Karlos]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Shakir is the only reason we've hit on some wr screens. 

Coleman has been pretty good at them as well with limited usage. 

[chris heff]

Maybe they should have Drew Bledsoe comeback and show them how it’s done.

[Since1981]

The effectiveness of screens relies on defensive linemen pushing upfield. However, defenders are trained to contain Allen. On the Manning-cast, Belichick pointed out, “Oh no, the D-line shouldn’t go upfield on 17.” This approach is a core part of the defensive scheme against 17, which often involves linemen staying back, thus naturally disrupting screen plays. This D scheme inherently makes screens challenging for this team. 

[Dr.Sack]

More body language and practice reps. 

[vincec]

51 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Maybe they should have Drew Bledsoe comeback and show them how it’s done.

Fitz was more of the screen master than Bledsoe.

[chris heff]

13 hours ago, vincec said:

Fitz was more of the screen master than Bledsoe.

I was being sarcastic, Bledsoe was awful with screen pass, he’d hit the guy in the shoes every time.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

14 hours ago, Since1981 said:

The effectiveness of screens relies on defensive linemen pushing upfield. However, defenders are trained to contain Allen. On the Manning-cast, Belichick pointed out, “Oh no, the D-line shouldn’t go upfield on 17.” This approach is a core part of the defensive scheme against 17, which often involves linemen staying back, thus naturally disrupting screen plays. This D scheme inherently makes screens challenging for this team. 

but defenders must do the same with Lamar and Mahomes too? Those teams have very effective RB screen games.

[Green Lightning]

Our Screen Game is Puzzling Sucks

 

Fixed it for you.

[JP51]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:00 PM, BillsFan130 said:

I don't think the bills have ran a successful RB screen since the Chan Gailey days

I was thinking more Dick Jauron LOL... but ok. 🤣

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

It shouldn't be...🤔

Just eat the fly!  Eat the fly! 🪰