Week 11 - Chiefs at Bills Game Week Thread

[syhuang]

4 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I’m with @Straight Hucklebuck on this one. 
 

Kincaid is on pace for another 600ish yard season in year two. He really hasn’t taken that leap that many around the Mafia were hoping and frankly, expecting, from a first round pick who was touted as an elite pass catching talent. 
 

I hope he’s good to go on Sunday because he is a good player. The loss of Kincaid however is less impactful than that of Cooper.

 

This is not to say he won’t contribute to improve and have more of a statistical impact on the games, but so far, I think it’s fair to say he’s not met the preseason expectations. 

Greg Olsen - Year 2 - 574 yards, Year 3 - 612 yards

 

Shannon Sharpe - Year 2 - 322 yards, Year 3 - 640 yards

 

Zack Ertz - Year 2 - 702 yards

 

Dallas Clark - Year 2 - 423 yards, Year 3 - 488 yards

 

Tony Gonzalez - Year 2 - 621 yards

 

Vernon Davis - Year 2 - 509 yards, Year 3 - 358 yards

Heath Miller - Year 2 - 393 yards, Year 3 - 566 yarda

Cole Kmet - Year 2 - 612 yards, Year 3 - 544 yards

 

David Njoku - Year 2 - 639 yards

 

 

the point here is that year 2 receiving yards don’t define a tight end. Most Bills fans want to see Kincaid take off, but his current pace in year 2 isn’t an indicator of how good or how bad his career will be.

 

[Ray Stonada]

22 minutes ago, syhuang said:

Greg Olsen - Year 2 - 574 yards, Year 3 - 612 yards

 

Shannon Sharpe - Year 2 - 322 yards, Year 3 - 640 yards

 

Zack Ertz - Year 2 - 702 yards

 

Dallas Clark - Year 2 - 423 yards, Year 3 - 488 yards

 

Tony Gonzalez - Year 2 - 621 yards

 

Vernon Davis - Year 2 - 509 yards, Year 3 - 358 yards

Heath Miller - Year 2 - 393 yards, Year 3 - 566 yarda

Cole Kmet - Year 2 - 612 yards, Year 3 - 544 yards

 

David Njoku - Year 2 - 639 yards

 

 

the point here is that year 2 receiving yards don’t define a tight end. Most Bills fans want to see Kincaid take off, but his current pace in year 2 isn’t an indicator of how good or how bad his career will be.

 

Good list but I wonder why you didn’t add Gronk and Kelce and Kittle?

[syhuang]

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

Good list but I wonder why you didn’t add Gronk and Kelce and Kittle?

i thought it’s quite obvious. They are already in the list of the other poster’s earlier post showing TEs having much more yards in 2nd year implying TEs don’t do something similar will be a failure. Here is to provide counterevidence that there are other successful TEs having similar 2nd-year receiving yards as Kincaid’s pace. Thus, number of yards in 2nd year isn’t an indicator how good or how bad a TE will be in his career.

[Chandler#81]

The Classic!

[Chandler#81]

 

[Scott7975]

 

Insane that he got fined for that.

[Ray Stonada]

This is a post from Chiefs Planet:

 

Originally Posted by Direckshun 

I have many thoughts about this game.

First of all, this is a playoff game. Win this game, and you're all but assured a first round bye. The Chiefs held so many cards to their chest for the Broncos game they almost lost -- this is what the Chiefs have been building towards. They will unload their entire clip at Buffalo, offensively and defensively. I expect this to be a version of the team we saw in Weeks 1 and 2.

I was a huge fan of what the Bills did this offseason. They are weighed down with so much dead money from previous garbage decisions that they really made super calculated value decisions across the roster. So the roster is still really good -- not championship level good, but really good.

What makes them championship good is Josh Allen, who would be the MVP frontrunner if Lamar didn't exist. He's having to will his team across the finish line time and time again. And he's almost always getting the job done.

The biggest issue, I think, is "are the Bills equipped to attack the Chiefs' weaknesses." And that's (a.) attacking in the passing game with tight ends, and (b.) attacking our tackles in the passrush. And they're 2/2 in that regard.

They absolutely can attack us with Dalton Kincaid, who I felt was a Jimmy Graham type when he came out, but is a little less dynamic but simultaneously more useful than the one-dimensional Graham ever was.

I really like James Cook for this Bills team a lot, but nobody can run on the Chiefs this year. They boast a Chiefs-level WR corps with a lot of guys who can do a few things well, and they depend on Joe Brady to somehow engineer useful plays and on Josh Allen to execute them.

Allen is having to do so much work this year, executing at high levels to keep the Bills at a top-third-of-the-league passing attack. So it's easy to say that if you disrupt Allen, the entire operation falls apart. But it's hard to do: Allen is the least sacked QB in the NFL. Part of that is because they have a good offensive line. The other part is that he's gone the full Cam Newton for parts of the season.

On the other side of the ball, the Bills boast a Chiefs-style DL that gives you a bunch of guys who can do a lot but no world-beaters. (The Chiefs, of course, have one world-beater.) Smoot and Rousseau are going to be problems against Wanya Morris. Von Miller, who knows. He's probably good for a play.

They're middle-of-the-pack against the run, however. I'm guessing we're going to get another game of Kareem chewing up yardage a handful of yards at a time.

I do think the Chiefs can attack this team all over the back seven. They're missing Matt Milano again so I would give them a steady diet of Kelce and Gray (and honestly? I like Peyton Hendershot). In what is clearly a theme for this team, the Bills secondary is packed with players that have upside here and there -- it's a really young group. Benford has had a good run since 2023, but you can attack everyone everywhere. Can the OL keep Mahomes clean enough to attack them?

I love Josh Allen as a player, hate him as an opponent. I have no doubt that Spags can dial up a game plan that perfectly counters the few things the Bills offense does well, but Allen has played well enough this season to become a cheat code against defenses. Can our non-McDuffie CBs hold up in coverage? I bet they are going to struggle a little, which is enough against Allen.

The Chiefs are wounded warriors on the offensive side of the ball, but they have all the weaponry they need to beat the Bills. The lone question there is the biggest one: can the OL keep him clean? I think they're going to struggle there a bit.

I think this is a coinflip game. I don't think either team has a motivation edge, and I don't think Mahomes cares that he's playing in Buffalo. I think both teams have an equal amount of answers for what the other team does. The Bills rely on Allen magic more than the Chiefs rely on Mahomes magic, so I suppose that's an advantage for KC. But I really hate Allen with time in the pocket with Kincaid downfield and other receivers against our corners.

Coin flip.

[NickelCity]

36 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

This is a post from Chiefs Planet:

 

Originally Posted by Direckshun 

I have many thoughts about this game.

First of all, this is a playoff game. Win this game, and you're all but assured a first round bye. The Chiefs held so many cards to their chest for the Broncos game they almost lost -- this is what the Chiefs have been building towards. They will unload their entire clip at Buffalo, offensively and defensively. I expect this to be a version of the team we saw in Weeks 1 and 2.

I was a huge fan of what the Bills did this offseason. They are weighed down with so much dead money from previous garbage decisions that they really made super calculated value decisions across the roster. So the roster is still really good -- not championship level good, but really good.

What makes them championship good is Josh Allen, who would be the MVP frontrunner if Lamar didn't exist. He's having to will his team across the finish line time and time again. And he's almost always getting the job done.

The biggest issue, I think, is "are the Bills equipped to attack the Chiefs' weaknesses." And that's (a.) attacking in the passing game with tight ends, and (b.) attacking our tackles in the passrush. And they're 2/2 in that regard.

They absolutely can attack us with Dalton Kincaid, who I felt was a Jimmy Graham type when he came out, but is a little less dynamic but simultaneously more useful than the one-dimensional Graham ever was.

I really like James Cook for this Bills team a lot, but nobody can run on the Chiefs this year. They boast a Chiefs-level WR corps with a lot of guys who can do a few things well, and they depend on Joe Brady to somehow engineer useful plays and on Josh Allen to execute them.

Allen is having to do so much work this year, executing at high levels to keep the Bills at a top-third-of-the-league passing attack. So it's easy to say that if you disrupt Allen, the entire operation falls apart. But it's hard to do: Allen is the least sacked QB in the NFL. Part of that is because they have a good offensive line. The other part is that he's gone the full Cam Newton for parts of the season.

On the other side of the ball, the Bills boast a Chiefs-style DL that gives you a bunch of guys who can do a lot but no world-beaters. (The Chiefs, of course, have one world-beater.) Smoot and Rousseau are going to be problems against Wanya Morris. Von Miller, who knows. He's probably good for a play.

They're middle-of-the-pack against the run, however. I'm guessing we're going to get another game of Kareem chewing up yardage a handful of yards at a time.

I do think the Chiefs can attack this team all over the back seven. They're missing Matt Milano again so I would give them a steady diet of Kelce and Gray (and honestly? I like Peyton Hendershot). In what is clearly a theme for this team, the Bills secondary is packed with players that have upside here and there -- it's a really young group. Benford has had a good run since 2023, but you can attack everyone everywhere. Can the OL keep Mahomes clean enough to attack them?

I love Josh Allen as a player, hate him as an opponent. I have no doubt that Spags can dial up a game plan that perfectly counters the few things the Bills offense does well, but Allen has played well enough this season to become a cheat code against defenses. Can our non-McDuffie CBs hold up in coverage? I bet they are going to struggle a little, which is enough against Allen.

The Chiefs are wounded warriors on the offensive side of the ball, but they have all the weaponry they need to beat the Bills. The lone question there is the biggest one: can the OL keep him clean? I think they're going to struggle there a bit.

I think this is a coinflip game. I don't think either team has a motivation edge, and I don't think Mahomes cares that he's playing in Buffalo. I think both teams have an equal amount of answers for what the other team does. The Bills rely on Allen magic more than the Chiefs rely on Mahomes magic, so I suppose that's an advantage for KC. But I really hate Allen with time in the pocket with Kincaid downfield and other receivers against our corners.

Coin flip.

 

Pretty good. Ignoring injuries, I think this fella is significantly overvaluing our defensive line. I give the chiefs the advantage for the same reason he does in his closing paragraph.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

5 hours ago, syhuang said:

Greg Olsen - Year 2 - 574 yards, Year 3 - 612 yards

 

Shannon Sharpe - Year 2 - 322 yards, Year 3 - 640 yards

 

Zack Ertz - Year 2 - 702 yards

 

Dallas Clark - Year 2 - 423 yards, Year 3 - 488 yards

 

Tony Gonzalez - Year 2 - 621 yards

 

Vernon Davis - Year 2 - 509 yards, Year 3 - 358 yards

Heath Miller - Year 2 - 393 yards, Year 3 - 566 yarda

Cole Kmet - Year 2 - 612 yards, Year 3 - 544 yards

 

David Njoku - Year 2 - 639 yards

 

 

the point here is that year 2 receiving yards don’t define a tight end. Most Bills fans want to see Kincaid take off, but his current pace in year 2 isn’t an indicator of how good or how bad his career will be.

 

I am in agreement here. Still doesn’t change my initial premise that his current level of production is not what many hoped it would grow to be 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The chiefs have not been anywhere near as good as their record. They could very easily have 3 or 4 losses right now. And to teams that aren’t that good. They absolutely are going to lose a few games down the stretch. This isn’t sustainable. Beat them and keep winning and we will catch them. This is the worst Mahomes team I have seen. Yes I know what the record is. They have not been sharp. We can beat them and they will lose other games 

Agree

The counter is the Bills have one win over a team with a winning record.  Chiefs have beaten 4 teams with winning records and one that is 0.500.  

We will know alot more about the Bills in the next 4 weeks.

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

This is a post from Chiefs Planet:

 

Originally Posted by Direckshun 

I have many thoughts about this game.



Coin flip.

That Direckshun is a wise person. Excellent post with a balanced analysis. 

[boyst]

the money and the bets are all on KC despite Buffalo winning odds.

 

It's amazing and shows the effect of betting on the chiefs to cover ATS and all they usually do. maybe the sharps haven't put in yet or maybe they're afraid to.

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

the money and the bets are all on KC despite Buffalo winning odds.

 

It's amazing and shows the effect of betting on the chiefs to cover ATS and all they usually do. maybe the sharps haven't put in yet or maybe they're afraid to.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-are-favored-sunday-but-chiefs-with-patrick-mahomes-are-11-3-as-underdogs

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bills-are-favored-sunday-but-chiefs-with-patrick-mahomes-are-11-3-as-underdogs

https://www.scoresandodds.com/nfl/bills-vs-chiefs

[Sweats]

McD better put his foot on the gas and go for the throat on this one.......i think the only way we're keeping up with KC is to be aggressive for 60 minutes and not let up.

 

Hell, i would rather lose a game from being too aggressive than being weak and soft and playing scared or playing not to lose.

 

I think we have the pieces to compete, however, it's going to have to be for a full 60 minutes and it may come down to whoever has the ball last, wins.

[Einstein]

For the conspiracy theorists

 

 

 

[boyst]

The Bill's Chiefs are being discussed on serious right now

[bills742]

Overrated

 

Edited 4 hours ago by bills742

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Agree

The counter is the Bills have one win over a team with a winning record.  Chiefs have beaten 4 teams with winning records and one that is 0.500.  

We will know alot more about the Bills in the next 4 weeks.

So what?  

 

Didn't the chiefs lose to basically every good team they played last year and then went and won 3 games in a row and were champions?

 

This honestly the most foolish argument that exists among the fandom right now.  The history of the league is littered with teams who beat up on bad teams then won super bowls or went deep into the playoffs.

[boyst]

Chiefs have not allowed more than 28 points in the last 30 games. They're talking about it now on NFL radio. I keep thinking the top score of this game is going to be something like 21 points. Everyone keeps saying it's going to be a high score again.