Week 11 - Chiefs at Bills Game Week Thread

[Brand J]

21 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Wanna see hell freeze over & watch Nick Wright go to bat for the Bills? 

 

He ranks them number 2 in his tiers, then fights off Brou & Mangini saying they should be lower than Detroit & Baltimore - 

 

 

Just now, 90sBills said:

He’s been doing it all season. It’s kinda weird. Not used to him praising the Bills or Allen. 

It’s not weird when you understand his motivation. Nick likes being right. Before the year most of the prognosticators said Buffalo was done, that they wouldn’t win the AFCE or even make the playoffs. Nick said for years the Bills were being overrated, but this year they were underrated and would win the AFCE again. Now that the season is playing out and what he said has proven to be true, he champions the Bills as his horse because all others said otherwise. He likes being in the position to say “I was right and you were wrong.”

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Brand J said:

 

It’s not weird when you understand his motivation. Nick likes being right. Before the year most of the prognosticators said Buffalo was done, that they wouldn’t win the AFCE or even make the playoffs. Nick said for years the Bills were being overrated, but this year they were underrated and would win the AFCE again. Now that the season is playing out and what he said has proven to be true, he champions the Bills as his horse because all others said otherwise. He likes being in the position to say “I was right and you were wrong.”

Yeah he was one of the few pundits that said Bills would still win the East this year. Kudos to him for being somewhat objective with the Bills. Or it might have been he really hates Rodgers and all the Jets hype. Haha

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I’m with @Straight Hucklebuck on this one. 
 

Kincaid is on pace for another 600ish yard season in year two. He really hasn’t taken that leap that many around the Mafia were hoping and frankly, expecting, from a first round pick who was touted as an elite pass catching talent. 
 

I hope he’s good to go on Sunday because he is a good player. The loss of Kincaid however is less impactful than that of Cooper.

 

This is not to say he won’t contribute to improve and have more of a statistical impact on the games, but so far, I think it’s fair to say he’s not met the preseason expectations. 

[GoBillsForeverAndAlways]

Hopefully Cooper is back and ready to go for this one! And Kincaid of course. Either way I have a feeling we're in for something special with this one. Could very well be Game Of The Year for the whole regular season!!

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

That's a GIF sir and a great one from this past sunday I might add.

Not as great as Tiger Girl, but a good one.

[Goin Breakdown]

45 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

He’s been doing it all season. It’s kinda weird. Not used to him praising the Bills or Allen. 

I think as a Bills fan, I'm just too "close" to the team. I feel like everyone else sees them as this elite team and I'm always skeptical, doubtful and critical. I mean Nick freekin Wright put the Bills over the Lions!!??  Man I love my Bills as much as the next guy but I think Buffalo loses that game more than not the way these two teams are playing right now. Hope I'm wrong. Go Bills. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

Wanna see hell freeze over & watch Nick Wright go to bat for the Bills? 

 

He ranks them number 2 in his tiers, then fights off Brou & Mangini saying they should be lower than Detroit & Baltimore - 

 

I refuse to watch this Dick Nose … but is this like the WWE  when the Heel becomes the good guy?

 

Edited November 14 by Aussie Joe

[90sBills]

14 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I think as a Bills fan, I'm just too "close" to the team. I feel like everyone else sees them as this elite team and I'm always skeptical, doubtful and critical. I mean Nick freekin Wright put the Bills over the Lions!!??  Man I love my Bills as much as the next guy but I think Buffalo loses that game more than not the way these two teams are playing right now. Hope I'm wrong. Go Bills. 

Hard to blame you. We have playoffs ptsd that has caused a lot of self doubt. Haha. 
 

As for the Lions, I’m not so sure they’re some kind of juggernaut. I’d be confident with the Bills against the Lions on a neutral field. Say that field in NO!

[Orlando Buffalo]

I am less excited for this game than I "should" be because at this point all I care about is the playoffs. I would rather lose today and get the 4 seed and be healthy than win today and go into playoffs injured 

[Aussie Joe]

14 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I am less excited for this game than I "should" be because at this point all I care about is the playoffs. I would rather lose today and get the 4 seed and be healthy than win today and go into playoffs injured 

I actually want them to be in a situation where they can rest all their starters in Week 18…. Give them a chance to get over the inevitable bumps a lot will be carrying and be fresh for the playoff campaign …

 

Last year they were fighting for their lives to make the playoffs in Week 18…guys got injured in that game and the WC game and they were then at a big disadvantage against the Chiefs …

[GoBillsForeverAndAlways]

I still can't believe this game won't determine whether we or KC lead the AFC, I felt like it would be until that crazy block last week at Arrowhead lol. Either way though I still think it'll be very telling in terms of who gets what seed!

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Here’s the game highlights for last year’s divisional loss to the chiefs. A few notes:

 

- Allen was a monster. Killed them running. He had a number of wonky unbelievable throws to different guys (including latavius murray!).

 

- Shakir TD catch was insane. As was a Diggs grab over the middle. We also see a lot of the motions and routes (specifically the quick screens) that we’ve seen a lot of this year 

 

- ground game had some good runs although Allen was the leading rusher

- D line never really got mahomes (0 sacks) but did get him out of the pocket quite a bit 

 

- Tyrel Dodson, AJ Klien, Dane Jackson, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer all started this game on defense. Wow. 

 

- Allen bomb to Sherfield incomplete (drop)

- Damar Hamlin failed fake punt lol 

 

- Hardman fumble through the EZ

 

- Bass misses 44 yarder to tie it

 

What a game

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

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[RichRiderBills]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I’m with @Straight Hucklebuck on this one. 
 

Kincaid is on pace for another 600ish yard season in year two. He really hasn’t taken that leap that many around the Mafia were hoping and frankly, expecting, from a first round pick who was touted as an elite pass catching talent. 
 

I hope he’s good to go on Sunday because he is a good player. The loss of Kincaid however is less impactful than that of Cooper.

 

This is not to say he won’t contribute to improve and have more of a statistical impact on the games, but so far, I think it’s fair to say he’s not met the preseason expectations. 

 

This is a terrible take. He's already had a 73 grab season. One of the better seasons for a rookie TE in NFL history. That's a solid TE stat line. He's off his pace but really cleaned up the 2nd half last year. 

 

He's off and slumping, sure but he's doing fine. 

[buffblue]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah he was one of the few pundits that said Bills would still win the East this year. Kudos to him for being somewhat objective with the Bills. Or it might have been he really hates Rodgers and all the Jets hype. Haha

His Bears Super Bowl pick on the other hand is not looking so stellar

[90sBills]

21 minutes ago, buffblue said:

His Bears Super Bowl pick on the other hand is not looking so stellar

That has got to be trolled pick. There’s no way anyone really thinks that. 

[GottaRun]

54 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

This is a terrible take. He's already had a 73 grab season. One of the better seasons for a rookie TE in NFL history. That's a solid TE stat line. He's off his pace but really cleaned up the 2nd half last year. 

 

He's off and slumping, sure but he's doing fine. 

He also hasn't had the benefit of a true #1 WR out there this year, gotta be affecting his numbers.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

This is a terrible take. He's already had a 73 grab season. One of the better seasons for a rookie TE in NFL history. That's a solid TE stat line. He's off his pace but really cleaned up the 2nd half last year. 

 

He's off and slumping, sure but he's doing fine. 

Is it? 
 

My point was that he has not elevated his level of play THIS SEASON to where many people (myself included) expected him to be in year two. You reference his year one catches as a rebuttal to my point that he’s improved in year two, yet he isn’t on pace to meet that total in 2024. If that’s the stat you want to use, it is directly supporting my stance that he has not in fact been more impactful. 

 

However, I don’t think receptions is a fair way to assess his presence. We don’t judge a running back’s impact on a game solely by looking at how many carries they had. We must do the same with pass catchers.
 

His 73 catches came at less than 10 yards per reception in 2023, which is not a good number even for a tight end. Good rookie year, sure! I am not arguing that. Albeit a ton of quick game and check down work, he was making plays doing what he was asked. It left a lot to be desired. 

So looking again at year two, where many expected a much nore threatening presence from Kincaid, we haven’t really seen it. His current yards per reception is sitting at 10.5 (a respectable number- not the best for TEs but decent). Interestingly, his receptions are down, although he’s seen an increase in target share (16% to 20%) and is on pace to see more total targets than he saw last year. 

My take away here is that the Bills have continued to use Kincaid as a large part in their passing attack. He’s been asked to do more down the field, and in turn has seen some decrease in his overall catches and yards but a humble increase in yards per catch. But it hasn’t really amounted to the caliber of player we all hoped we’d be getting from a Round 1 talent. These numbers this year aren’t too far off from what we saw from Knox in 2021 and 2022. 
 

To be clear, I didn’t say he was a bum. He is nodoubt a good player. One area I’d like to see info on (maybe someone can provide it?) is the # of first downs he’s secured compared to last year. I’ve often seen 1D/ route run and 1D/ catch as good advanced indicators of efficiency. I’d like to see that compared from year one to year two, and how it stacks up to other pass catchers around the league. 
 

All of this doesn’t mean he is not the occasional playmaker, or won’t ascend to be a top 5 guy at the position, but to me there is no doubt he is not there yet.
 

I was only agreeing that his potential absence this week might not be as heavily felt in terms of a talent gap from TE1 to TE2 compared to other potential absences. 

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

I think we're finally at a point where winning this game in the regular season isn't our super bowl. Win the division, get the two seed, play a couple home games in the playoffs. 

If we play it smart When we see these guys in the playoffs We'll have Milano, Carter, Keon, a healthy Amari. Totally different team.

 

13 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

I prefer we sit everyone who has a nagging injury, win or lose, so we are a different team if we meet in January.

 

Or... we can just not show up, forfeit the game, and completely avoid any possibility of injury.

 

Two week bye... well-rested team... SUPER BOWL!!!

 

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Nothing worse than PBR.

 

 

12 hours ago, stevewin said:

Sometimes I'm out with my son who graduated college a couple years ago and is still in the college cheap beer mindset and he'll order a PBR and it shocks me.  I tell him I'm buying I'll pay for him to have a good beer 😛

 

I think that's what @Nineforty meant by "strategic."

 

8 hours ago, NickelCity said:

Good to see Samuel full. Was his designation pectoral/foot the past couple weeks, or just pectoral?

 

Spleen I believe.

 

[Comebackkid]

4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Just looked up some of the better tight ends in our era.

 

Rob Gronkowski - Year 2 - 1,300+ yards

 

George Kittle - Year 2 - 1,300+ yards

 

Kellen Winslow - Year 3 - 1,000+ yards

 

Tony Gonzalez - Year 4 - 1,200 yards

 

Travis Kelce - starts his career with microfracture surgery - then two years at 800+ yards, Year 4 starts his 1,000 yard streak.

 

Antonio Gates - Year 2 - 964 yards, Year 3 - 1,100 yards

 

Mark Andrews - Year 2 - 862 yards, Year 4 - 1,300+ yards

 

Cole Kmet - Year 2 - is his 2nd best year in 5 years total now

 

David Njoku - Year 2 - is his 2nd best year in 8 years

 

Trey McBride - Year 2 goes over 860 yards, on pace for more this year. 
 

 

Did you try and prove something here?

 

Also Kincaid is already 25 years old.

 

Also Bills didn’t draft Kincaid to block, Beane has said this. 
 

So looks like good Tight Ends start showing they’re really good in Year 2, and have some of their best years by Season number 3. 
 

notice..none of them played for the Bills?