Week 11 - Chiefs at Bills Game Week Thread

[notpolian]

To me Cooper is the one I would like to see back the most.  Coleman is out already so nothing can be done about that.  Kincaid has been somewhat underutilized and hasn't been a difference maker this year as much as some (not me) hoped.  Cooper can possibly make KC play a bit differently by making them more reluctant to clamp down with the man to man that kills us late in games.

[boyst]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

All I know is…

 

 

That's what worries me

[27yankees]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:58 AM, colin said:

I'm not nervous about this game because I don't think we are healthy enough at wr to beat them, so it's all about seeing the team do the best it can.

 

I just feel like the 2 or 3 seed is a near certainty, and the 1 seed is a near impossibility, so playing strongly in defeat and then getting healthy for the end of the season is acceptable.

 

On game day I reserve the right to retract these rational thoughts and go ape at every little thing.

7 Games left. Anything or everything can happen!!! Sit back and enjoy the ride. Keep Mahomey on his backside and it's 9-2. 

[JohninMinn.]

Mahomes must be stopped. It's getting worse than Brady.

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, mjt328 said:

Not to mention... the Bills have beaten the Chiefs in the regular season three years in a row.  But they are 0-3 against Andy Reid/Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs.  I would almost rather let our injured players heal and save our best gameplan for a potential postseason rematch.

 

I agree with those who say the approach should not be a "win at all costs" because it isn't for either team

 

Both teams will play hard undoubtedly... too much pride and bragging rights on the line.

 

But it wouldn't surprise me if both coaches employed vanilla game planning and let the outcome play out. I highly doubt either team will dip into their "bag of tricks" for instance.

 

And there's absolutely something to say about trying to strike the balance between playoff seedings and player health.

 

3 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

The game against the Lions will be big. Fans seem to be overlooking that game.

 

I don't think people are overlooking it.

 

That game is a ways out:

 

11/17 CHIEFS 4:25 PM

12/01 49ERS 8:20 PM

12/08 @ Rams 4:25 PM

12/15 @ Lions 4:25 PM

 

Everyone knows that will be an epic battle but again, will either team take a "win at all costs" mentality?

 

The Bills play the Patriots twice and the Jets once to finish the regular season.

 

 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, JohninMinn. said:

Mahomes must be stopped. It's getting worse than Brady.

 

Not even close. Brady was 33-3 vs the Bills with many of those losses a blowout. Mahomes is 4-3 vs the Bills.

[YattaOkasan]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

As someone who loves the Bills and is at this very moment wearing a "Just One Before I Die" sweatshirt, I hate myself for what I'm about to say.  

 

I know it was just one game, but I think the Ravens exposed us as paper lions.  We just don't have the roster to beat the league's best teams. 

 

This is only the second time this year that I've gone into a game feeling we were going to lose.  If we win, it'll be a much appreciated gift, but I'm not expecting it.  

I feel you.  But to give you some hope their Offense can stress the middle of the field probably better than any team in the league and at the time we were missing 2 former All-Pros and our only D captain.  So I think reinforcements are coming there.  Additionally their weakness on defense is outside receivers and we werent able to beat them there (humphrey locked up shakir and they kept an eye on Kincaid).  Now we do have weapons in Cooper and Coleman's emergence to show we can attack there.  

 

For me the offense has needed to attack in the passing game the last few weeks and I feel pretty good we would have a better showing there.  The game against the Lions will tell me if we fixed the defensive concerns.  

45 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I couldn’t care less if people see my opinion as truth or perception.  It’s my opinion/perception (along with everyone I watch games with.  I’m sharing that opinion.   I was pretty transparent in saying I have no clue what the actual stats are-  with hopes that someone has them.  But no one has them as of yet.  
 

my perception is that Allen has thrown more off target passes and percentage of off target passes to Kincaid this year than to anyone else.  I’ll stick by that until proven wrong…..and it’s ok if no one agrees with me.  It really doesn’t matter that much

I gets its your opinion, and I appreciate you mentioning it.  I dont like you just saying "prove me wrong."  Happy that you are pulling back from that some. 

 

I do think the free stats should give some insights into what youre thinking.  Are they exact on target/off target stats? No (I appreciate you clarifying what you are looking for), but you can get some insight into on/off target to support your case.  Overall, I dont think the stats support your hypothesis (though its not definitive as I note below).  Success rate was one of the stats I pulled.  If Allen was off target I would expect this to be affected because so much of Kincaid's success has been YAC.  If we look at directly at YAC/catch we see Kincaid improved from 4.3 yards to 6.2 yards  and this is a bigger jump than allen has from 5.1 yards to 6.2 yards.  However, this aint definitive and you could to be onto something about down the field throws that proprietary stats would be needed to show.  This convo started with the miss last week but there have been some others that Josh missed to Kincaid. 

 

Good thoughts just bring some stats or ask where to look if before you dig in with a prove me wrong attitude (other guy wasnt helping which is why i entered the convo).  Also note Im just a dude who likes numbers and football so Im hardly an authority.  Im just super rationale so I need to know if things make sense.

[hondo in seattle]

20 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

I feel you.  But to give you some hope their Offense can stress the middle of the field probably better than any team in the league and at the time we were missing 2 former All-Pros and our only D captain.  So I think reinforcements are coming there.  Additionally their weakness on defense is outside receivers and we werent able to beat them there (humphrey locked up shakir and they kept an eye on Kincaid).  Now we do have weapons in Cooper and Coleman's emergence to show we can attack there.  

 

For me the offense has needed to attack in the passing game the last few weeks and I feel pretty good we would have a better showing there.  The game against the Lions will tell me if we fixed the defensive concerns.  

I gets its your opinion, and I appreciate you mentioning it.  I dont like you just saying "prove me wrong."  Happy that you are pulling back from that some. 

 

I do think the free stats should give some insights into what youre thinking.  Are they exact on target/off target stats? No (I appreciate you clarifying what you are looking for), but you can get some insight into on/off target to support your case.  Overall, I dont think the stats support your hypothesis (though its not definitive as I note below).  Success rate was one of the stats I pulled.  If Allen was off target I would expect this to be affected because so much of Kincaid's success has been YAC.  If we look at directly at YAC/catch we see Kincaid improved from 4.3 yards to 6.2 yards  and this is a bigger jump than allen has from 5.1 yards to 6.2 yards.  However, this aint definitive and you could to be onto something about down the field throws that proprietary stats would be needed to show.  This convo started with the miss last week but there have been some others that Josh missed to Kincaid. 

 

Good thoughts just bring some stats or ask where to look if before you dig in with a prove me wrong attitude (other guy wasnt helping which is why i entered the convo).  Also note Im just a dude who likes numbers and football so Im hardly an authority.  Im just super rationale so I need to know if things make sense.

Thanks for reasons for hope.

 

Injuries are part of the game.  But I'd love to witness a game this season where all our key players (Milano, Cooper, Coleman, Johnson...) are healthy.  Maybe this roster - if the playmakers are healthy - is better than I give it credit for.  

 

And I'd be particularly happy if all the playmakers were healthy for the playoffs.  

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:57 PM by hondo in seattle

[BigDingus]

Interesting article about why Chiefs vs Bills has become a later afternoon game rather than a SNF game - https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article295385869.html

 

Apparently CBS is guaranteed a certain amount of Chiefs games & a certain amount of Bills games from the NFL schedule makers, so putting them together allows them to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

 

Also, 6 of the 10 highest rated games are Chiefs games, so every Network & service is begging for them. So the NFL has decided to use the Chiefs as the go-to for all their little experiments. Playoff games on Peacock, Black Friday on Prime, Christmas day games, etc. just give em the Chiefs 🤮

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, notpolian said:

To me Cooper is the one I would like to see back the most.  Coleman is out already so nothing can be done about that.  Kincaid has been somewhat underutilized and hasn't been a difference maker this year as much as some (not me) hoped.  Cooper can possibly make KC play a bit differently by making them more reluctant to clamp down with the man to man that kills us late in games.

Of those three receiving threats, I think Cooper makes or breaks the offense this week. The Colts clamped down hard on the underneath routes and we saw Josh have one of his worst games of the season. The Chiefs have a fantastic run D this year, so we likely aren't going to be able to run to set up the pass. We need someone to stretch the field and Cooper is the best shot

[Gregg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-and-chiefs-making-nfl-history-in-week-11/ar-AA1tXZ9h?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=beac30697774446e8008baaa724e9993&ei=19

[WotAGuy]

Anyone know if Taylor is coming in for the game? I want her to sign my panties. 

[DaVinci]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Anyone know if Taylor is coming in for the game? I want her to sign my panties. 

Taylor is in the midst of a series of shows in Toronto and guess what? no show Sunday so get the panties ready.

[WotAGuy]

Just now, DaVinci said:

Taylor is in the midst of a series of shows in Toronto and guess what? no show Sunday so get the panties ready.

I just wet them. 

[Gregg]

Just now, DaVinci said:

Taylor is in the midst of a series of shows in Toronto and guess what? no show Sunday so get the panties ready.

 

I think it would more fun if Jason shows up. I could see him hanging out with Bills fans before the game drinking beers and doing shots. 

[Johnnycage46]

7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

I just wet them. 

If you were on a mattress when that happened @Sweats will take it.

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

If you were on a mattress when that happened @Sweats will take it.

 

 

 

Bwahahahahahahaha.........yes, yes i would.

[Drew21PA]

Idk - Diggs always disappeared against the chiefs anyways - so it’s not like we have played with a number 1 against them.  

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I agree with those who say the approach should not be a "win at all costs" because it isn't for either team

 

Both teams will play hard undoubtedly... too much pride and bragging rights on the line.

 

But it wouldn't surprise me if both coaches employed vanilla game planning and let the outcome play out. I highly doubt either team will dip into their "bag of tricks" for instance.

 

And there's absolutely something to say about trying to strike the balance between playoff seedings and player health.

 

 

I don't think people are overlooking it.

 

That game is a ways out:

 

11/17 CHIEFS 4:25 PM

12/01 49ERS 8:20 PM

12/08 @ Rams 4:25 PM

12/15 @ Lions 4:25 PM

 

Everyone knows that will be an epic battle but again, will either team take a "win at all costs" mentality?

 

The Bills play the Patriots twice and the Jets once to finish the regular season.

 

 

Some excellent games coming up !!!

[Jauronimo]

18 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I think it would more fun if Jason shows up. I could see him hanging out with Bills fans before the game drinking beers and doing shots. 

Did Bills Mafia even invite Jason?

[beebe]

 

With Hopkins, JuJu, Worthy, this will arguably be the most complete WR group mahomes has had this year. He merely had Rice and Worthy prior to Rice's injury vs the Chargers. 

 

JuJu probably can't stay healthy for the whole year, he always has something come up, but if he does, the expectation is still that Hollywood Brown would be back for the Chiefs come playoff time. Hopkins, Hollywood, JuJu, Worthy, Kelce with Pacheco and Hunt in the backfield is a damn solid unit, certainly closer to the one they expected to have when the season began.