What to do for Edge Rusher?

[skibum]

I think they need a monster DT just as badly, maybe even more. 

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, skibum said:

I think they need a monster DT just as badly, maybe even more. 

monster DT is Bills #1 need IMO.  WR and Edge are the the other two Bills top needs.

Edited Thursday at 01:44 PM by Pete

[ProcessTruster]

On 11/9/2024 at 4:15 PM, MJS said:

Why all the offseason talk this year? It is pretty strange. We're in the midst of a good season.

BC this board is in perma-negative mode 12 months per year; unable to stay in the moment and enjoy another great, successful season.   Not their fault.  

 

This is a function of the media-induced "win super bowl or you suck" mind set.   SB winners get all the accolades, all the media hype, all the coverage, the White House tours and victory parades and the other 31 teams can go pound sand for another 7 months of "soul searching" about "what went wrong" and "we need this or that to win the SB".

 

Rosters and coaching contribute heavily to but don't guarantee winning single elimination tournaments.   Teams that get through single elimination tournaments execute very well (or at least at a higher level than the opposition) for 3 conscutive weekends against comparable competition (wild card round games are usually mismatches).   Importantly, breaks, penalties, key injuries go their way for a 3 games in a row; good fortune has a fair amount to with getting past each tournament game "gate".   Having the last possession of the game, for example is a big deal; basically the clock is one arbitrary barrier where luck and fortune play a part. 

 

If the Philly guy doesn't get called for hitting Mahomes on the sidelines in that SB, the clock runs out, Philly wins and KC loses, for example.   Its all about execution in the big moments between closely matched teams.   

 

The NFL salary cap has assured that no one team can build a "dream team" that will simply overwhelm the entire league.   What's great about McBeanes is they have consistently maintained a top 5/top 10  roster around a HOF QB.   Now its just go execute in 2 or 3 games at a high level and you get through the tournament.   It won't happen every year.   It won't happen most years bc of the variables stated above.  

 

What I still haven't figured out is why when you fire your HC the entire organization gets fired as well and you start over.   That is devastating to a franchise and seems strange to me as the HC is really just an overseer for the most part.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:05 PM by ProcessTruster

[The Jokeman]

20 minutes ago, skibum said:

I think they need a monster DT just as badly, maybe even more. 

Agrees we've needed a 1 tech DT forever and a day, I thought we might get one in the draft but then Dontey Corleone elected to go back to school, he'd be perfect for the fanbase as his nickname is The Godfather. 

[frostbitmic]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

monster DT is Bills #1 need IMO.  WR and Edge are the the other two Bills top needs.

Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky - 6'6" 348 ... He'd plug a hole.

[Sgt. Ski]

On 11/9/2024 at 12:48 PM, VW82 said:

I'd argue we need to prioritize 1T > Edge. 

No, We need a big mofo in the middle to stop the run. remember sam adams?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 11/9/2024 at 1:40 PM, GreggTX said:

Von is healthy, but he's not elite any more. Javon Solomon shows promise, but is it enough? AJ Epinesa is OK, but not special. Rousseau is outstanding overall, but I think he should stay at LE.

 

Personally, I think they need to move on from Von after this season. I'd be looking to move up in the draft and get Von's successor.

 

What's you take?

Sorry for the double post. Please delete this one. Thanks.

Von is playing 33% of snaps on the season. 

 

Last week was 50% - highest of the year. 

 

Von sounds like a mercenary in his interviews. Before the Rams game it was all about how much he loved the Rams organization, loved LA, how he was back and forth committing to Buffalo in FA. And that's reasonable - I think most NFL players would enjoy LA more than Buffalo, NY. I listened to his interview with Rich Eisen from yesterday and its how much he loves the Broncos, we're talking about retirement, and of course he talked about winning one for Josh. 

 

Getting his 6th sack and hitting his contract escalator, the ACL, the suspension, him coming out and saying he shouldn't have even been playing last year. 

 

I mean its put up time for Von. Rousseau is pumping in 70%-80% snaps counts.

 

He needs to be out there. 

[Charles Romes]

Take over the Burns contract for a 2nd and VanDemark and call it a day. 

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

BC this board is in perma-negative mode 12 months per year; unable to stay in the moment and enjoy another great, successful season.   Not their fault.  

 

This is a function of the media-induced "win super bowl or you suck" mind set.   SB winners get all the accolades, all the media hype, all the coverage, the White House tours and victory parades and the other 31 teams can go pound sand for another 7 months of "soul searching" about "what went wrong" and "we need this or that to win the SB".

 

Rosters and coaching contribute heavily to but don't guarantee winning single elimination tournaments.   Teams that get through single elimination tournaments execute very well (or at least at a higher level than the opposition) for 3 conscutive weekends against comparable competition (wild card round games are usually mismatches).   Importantly, breaks, penalties, key injuries go their way for a 3 games in a row; good fortune has a fair amount to with getting past each tournament game "gate".   Having the last possession of the game, for example is a big deal; basically the clock is one arbitrary barrier where luck and fortune play a part. 

 

If the Philly guy doesn't get called for hitting Mahomes on the sidelines in that SB, the clock runs out, Philly wins and KC loses, for example.   Its all about execution in the big moments between closely matched teams.   

 

The NFL salary cap has assured that no one team can build a "dream team" that will simply overwhelm the entire league.   What's great about McBeanes is they have consistently maintained a top 5/top 10  roster around a HOF QB.   Now its just go execute in 2 or 3 games at a high level and you get through the tournament.   It won't happen every year.   It won't happen most years bc of the variables stated above.  

 

What I still haven't figured out is why when you fire your HC the entire organization gets fired as well and you start over.   That is devastating to a franchise and seems strange to me as the HC is really just an overseer for the most part.

 

 

 

Agree with most of this but also I just love the roster building element of the sport. I love that as much as I love the games. So yea, even when the Bills are a playoff team still with a chance of lifting a Lombardi I confess January hits and my brain starts to be in draft season mode. I'm watching tape of prospects most nights. 

 

I don't think being into what happens with next year's roster necessarily means you are pessimistic or not enjoying the ride of this season. I think it is possible to be thinking about both.

[SCBills]

Draft a DT with Pick 32 and another with Pick 54.

 

Infuse that talent with Oliver and Jones and then watch Rousseau become the guy we are likely paying him to be.

 

It will also help AJ, Solomon and Von/Smoot (if brought back) off the edge.

 

If we can get Myles Garrett or Maxx Crosby, sure, go for it.. but outside of those moves, this (imo) is the way. 

[skibum]

The Bills aren't drafting high enough to get a game wrecker at either DE or DT. So to get that, Beane is going to have to shell out. If we had to break the bank for one or the other, I would probably vote for DT unless there is a miracle Myles Garrett trade possibility. 

 

Sorry, I still call it DE. I can't say EDGE with a straight face. 

[Sweats]

I would like to see us get rid of that Albatross of a contract with Von and look at an "in their prime" quality edge rusher or massive DT.........you know, guys that can disrupt and create chaos at the line.

[JP51]

I agree need a dominant 1t and edge... going back to the Superbowl days... Bruce was an absolute train wrecker... teams had to game plan around him... and everyone... benefited from him being there... Biscut, Conlan, Talley... I mean we got away with Jeff Wright at NT... so, I really dont care where the focus is per se... getting a dominant D linemen (1t or edge) if we can somehow would be immense... Rousseau single teamed if its a 1t LB's not getting mauled... if its an edge Safeties and CBs not having to cover for 4 or 5 seconds... I think that was the idea when we went all in on Von... worked out minimally but not like we thought... but how ever we get said person I do think it is pretty critical 

[billsfan89]

As others have stated a big time DT is probably a more pressing need than DE. Ed is a very good player but he’s not consistently great. Carter is a decent rotational piece with potential. But after that it’s Daquon who might be washed and is old and Austin Johnson an older role player.

 

DE for 2025 is pretty solid in my opinion even if you might want a little more juice there. Groot is a top 10ish player at the position, AJE is a starting caliber DE or a very high end rotation player, Von showed he’s got gas in the tank and can still be a quality rotation player, and Solomon flashed potential and is a decent depth/development piece.

 

I think there’s a need to add a piece at DE but I think that can be filled via a vet to add some punch there. I think there’s a lot of fairly affordable veterans who can be rented for a season like Chase Young or Mack both players who can punch up the edge rush for a season.

[Kelly to Allen]

You keep drafting 

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, skibum said:

The Bills aren't drafting high enough to get a game wrecker at either DE or DT. So to get that, Beane is going to have to shell out. If we had to break the bank for one or the other, I would probably vote for DT unless there is a miracle Myles Garrett trade possibility. 

 

Sorry, I still call it DE. I can't say EDGE with a straight face. 

 

Chris Jones was pick 37.   

 

Yea, you have to get lucky, but there are DT's that can make a difference available late RD1 and into RD2.  

[nosejob]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Draft a DT with Pick 32 and another with Pick 54.

 

Infuse that talent with Oliver and Jones and then watch Rousseau become the guy we are likely paying him to be.

 

It will also help AJ, Solomon and Von/Smoot (if brought back) off the edge.

 

If we can get Myles Garrett or Maxx Crosby, sure, go for it.. but outside of those moves, this (imo) is the way. 

Jones is done.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Jones is done.

 

Played his best game of the year on Sunday to my eye. I think he is done after the season but I'm hoping to goodness that he has been saving himself for the playoffs as his swansong. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

monster DT is Bills #1 need IMO.  WR and Edge are the the other two Bills top needs.

This right here is very likely the answer, 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Played his best game of the year on Sunday to my eye. I think he is done after the season but I'm hoping to goodness that he has been saving himself for the playoffs as his swansong. 

When he was on pre-injury he was so so good. Loved him. Now he seems to have little to no discernable impact on games. Many who analyze closely have said he played great against the Broncos. That would be incredible if he saved it all for the post season. When he's on, he makes Oliver, the DE's, and the LBs so much more effective.