Sweats Posted November 7 Posted November 7 13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: When the Bills got Cooper, someone asked why the guy has changed teams so much. Answer, ownership. He played for the Raiders, the Cowboy, and the Browns. That's dysfunctional, cubed. I believe this to be true about dysfunctional ownership, however, i think it also had to do with whether teams wanted to invest in a contract with Cooper long term because in all actuality, a contract is an investment for the future on the player, the team, etc. A contract means that the organization believes in the player enough to invest in them and give them a contract.......apparently, the Raiders, Browns and Cowboys didn't believe in Cooper enough to keep him around. Their loss is our gain, so to speak. Thinking back, who was the last players on the Raiders, Cowboys and Browns where those franchises invested in contracts for their players long term? Where they believed that a certain player was worth the amount of money they were willing to pay?.......an investment, so to speak........all i can think of is Dak presently, which might explain piss poor talent, degrading rosters and poor evaluation for their franchise futures. ........my opinion only Quote
stuvian Posted November 7 Posted November 7 It's the Browns because rich and stupid enough to initiate the DeShaun Watson contract is not fixable Quote
Bills!Win! Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Browns. You have to get rid of brownie the elf. The most hateable logo in sports history Quote
Shaw66 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Sweats said: I believe this to be true about dysfunctional ownership, however, i think it also had to do with whether teams wanted to invest in a contract with Cooper long term because in all actuality, a contract is an investment for the future on the player, the team, etc. A contract means that the organization believes in the player enough to invest in them and give them a contract.......apparently, the Raiders, Browns and Cowboys didn't believe in Cooper enough to keep him around. Their loss is our gain, so to speak. Thinking back, who was the last players on the Raiders, Cowboys and Browns where those franchises invested in contracts for their players long term? Where they believed that a certain player was worth the amount of money they were willing to pay?.......an investment, so to speak........all i can think of is Dak presently, which might explain piss poor talent, degrading rosters and poor evaluation for their franchise futures. ........my opinion only CeeDee Lamb And I always thought Dak was a bad investment. I think all three franchises have habitually made bad personnel decisions, including head coach choicess. I suspect, however, that the problem with the coaches is inappropriate interference from the owner, certainly in the case of the Cowboys and the Raiders (if we assume Mark Davis manages like his father) and probably the Browns, too. Jones's approach is too much driven by the bottom line. He values the show that he puts on more than the superiority of his team. They always seem to have multiple players who love the spotlight so much that they lose sight of what's necessary to win, players who make for good TV. All the way back to Prime Time, TO, and Michael Irvin. Great, great, players, but they wanted the spotlight. At least Irvin won, but I think that's probably to AIkman's credit. . Quote
TheFunPolice Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Browns for sure... just pure misery there I tried using them in franchise mode in Madden once and I found myself feeling bummed out and bored quickly. That was before Watson arrived with his quarter billion dollars of guaranteed money and all the horrible karma that comes from doing business with a guy like that Quote
BarleyNY Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 hours ago, Bills aPHILLYate said: I agree with quite a few of your points but the question still poses some complexity... For instance, the Browns could be the easier fix in some regards because they're gonna be buried in that division for the foreseeable future which is somewhat of a positive. This affords them more of a chance to blow it up and attempt a rebuild and establish some sort of foundation during the remaining years of Watsons contract. There are no quick fix options available and this is known. This almost assures them 2-3 drafts alone to find a top notch qb prospect which they should be in prime position each year to have the picks of the litter with no true expectations. They need to be sellers in almost every facet to start righting the ship. They could move Garrett for a kings ransom for starters. The Saints have notoriously kicked the can down the road but are mired in purgatory. They never know if they're buyers or sellers. The issue there is they keep thinking they're a piece away from competing in or overtaking a less solid division and keep repeating the cycle. There are way more expectations in NO in my opinion due to their division but they are perpetually torn between taking their medicine or patching things up. They are convinced there is a quick fix... That presents a way longer road to recovery until they make a solid decision on how to approach their future while that same decision is somewhat dictated and attached to the successes (or lack thereof) of their divisional opponents. I quick voted the Browns but I'm not as certain and that's primarily due to the looming expectations associated with each franchise. I haven’t voted yet because it is a tough question. Both are in a bad position. I come back to which team has the best shot at finding a FQB since that’s the most important thing in football. The Browns have more surrounding talent than the Saints, but that will probably make it tougher for them to find that FQB. Deion already said he won’t let his son play for the Browns or Panthers so cross him off their list of possibilities. Not that I’m sold on him or that whole dynamic, but it still takes an option off of their board. Guess I’m voting Browns. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just because they are paying him crazy money doesn't mean they have to play him. They will be in excellent position to draft a QB next spring. Problem solved (as long as Haslam is locked away in one of his rest stop toilets for the draft). 1 Quote
ghostwriter Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The Browns have always sucked, but the Saints have put out good teams over the years. I think the Saints have better ownership. Quote
frostbitmic Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Browns ... Saints just need a new GM and HC ... The Browns are peeing money away like crazy with the Watson contract, especially since he's hurt more than he plays. You also can't fire the teams owner and as long as Haslam has anything to do with that team, they're screwed. Quote
transient Posted November 8 Posted November 8 10 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: .500 is enough many times to take the NFC South, but if that's the highest you're aiming for.... Atlanta with Cousins is sneaky good, and TB with Baker's revival is better than a 0.500 team. Thereare signs of life in the NFC South at the moment. 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Just because they are paying him crazy money doesn't mean they have to play him. They will be in excellent position to draft a QB next spring. Problem solved (as long as Haslam is locked away in one of his rest stop toilets for the draft). Couldn't find the laughing agree emoji. 1 Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just draft a rookie QB if you are the Browns. Keep Watson on the bench and continue to pay him but play the rookie. Rookie QB’s are cheap these days. By the time it is time to pay the rookie QB (if the rookie pans out) Watson deal will be off the books. Quote
paulmm3 Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Browns mortgaged the future for Watson. They still need another few years to recover from that Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) Browns by far. Both QBs suck, but the worst part is they both have horrifying sexual assault records which you can't just sweep under the rug. How can anyone with a conscience cheer for the human pieces of excrement at QB? The Browns roundly deserve the bad karma they're getting. Last place in the NFL that anyone with a soul would want to play. Edited November 8 by Freddie's Dead Quote
Joe Ferguson Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Fun fact: After Derek Carr celebrating a win in week two by grabbing his two balls, the Saints only has two wins this year. Quote
Just in Atlanta Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Browns - the only correct answer - due to top leadership. The thing I wonder is, with millionaires like Haslam, do they realize the decisions they make, repeatedly, cause their respective teams to fail? Are they even aware they fail? If so, do they blame others for their failures? It seems to me when you have that much money, you can get blind to reality. Because it's obvious the Browns franchise is a disaster, year after year, due to the decisions Haslam makes. Quote
Utah John Posted November 8 Posted November 8 On 11/7/2024 at 10:23 AM, Chicken Boo said: Should have thrown Carolina in there as well. They may have the worst owner of the bunch. Carolina made a disastrous trade to move up and draft a QB who's been a bust so far, but I think they've already taken their medicine and should be able to rebound in a year or two if they draft and FA well. Quote
TBBills Fan Posted November 8 Posted November 8 On 11/7/2024 at 12:03 PM, Sweats said: The Browns is the correct answer here. Everyone told them they were making a mistake by fully guaranteeing Watson and like i'm talking everyone from other owners to the fans, to the media, etc.......and the Browns did what the Browns always do, they made piss poor decisions that created a cap hell for that team. Also, their owner and management are terrible. You know what the word "Browns" reminds me of?..........that's right, a hot steaming pile (poop assessment thread for reference). Not surprised you are her le talking about a steaming pile of poop given your history Quote
Chicken Boo Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 hour ago, Utah John said: Carolina made a disastrous trade to move up and draft a QB who's been a bust so far, but I think they've already taken their medicine and should be able to rebound in a year or two if they draft and FA well. The rumor is that the selection of Bryce Young over Stroud was Tepper's decision. Quote
Beast Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I hate to say the Browns because I like their fans. I love to say the Browns because their football operations deserves it. Quote
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