Irv Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) I'm shocked at how many people thought she would win. When you are an awful candidate with an awful track record. What else could have happened? She would have lost to a lamp shade. No longer a mess. Edited November 6 by Irv
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: With a hat tip to two of our best commenters on the football side-- 1. I'm not surprised that Trump won the electoral college. I am surprised that he won the popular vote - the first time a Republican has done so since 2004. It's certainly better than 2016 because we have some clarity. Trump now owns whatever happens politically (and yes, economically) for the next 4 years. He has the Senate and very likely the House, and a compliant Supreme Court. He sets the legislative and foreign policy agenda. Last time he set aside immigration, health care, etc. in favor of Paul Ryan's more standard Republican tax cutting agenda. If there isn't a strong comprehensive immigration reform bill in the first few months I'll have to assume we're in for more of the same. There was complete clarity in 2016, the liberals just refused to adjust to accommodate said clarity. Fair enough in immigration reform. 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 2. Democrats obviously need to rethink their coalition. Highly educated whites + lesser educated black and brown people isn't going to work. It was an unstable coalition to begin with since there really weren't enough common interests. It just blew up. Good. Trump refashioned the Republican Party/coalition in his own likeness; he will now refashion the Democratic Party/coalition as they respond to the new reality. Where is their Bill Clinton? Dems pitch on highly educated whites contrasted sharply with the "It's not your fault you owe the college money", and people can identify a disconnect like that from a mile away. Ironically, Chuck Todd used that expression--"Highly Educated democrats" to point out the tone-deafedness of leadership of the party. Throw in some überwealthy democrats and fossilized rock stars living lives of excess and luxury, it's surprising at times they got as many votes as they did. In addition, imo, the dems vastly overplayed their hand on criminal charges and what has come to be called as "lawfare". Just read that Garland/Smith tapped out on their version of political charges. Admittedly, they had some steam when they initially kicked the doors in, but a hot second later JB is fessing up to pilfering all sorts of classified docs over the years. Again, the average American without major political affiliation smells hypocrisy from a mile away. 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 3. Bond markets are pricing in increased inflationary expectations. Running for President is easy if you don't issue comprehensive policy plans but just try to target certain groups/states. No taxes on tips! No taxes on social security! But there's deficits, and there's real associated spending cuts that need to happen. Fair. 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 4. Abortion. Exit polls show about a 2:1 split in favor of some Roe-type abortion rights. It remains untenable to have a large swath of the country with abortion bans in this situation. We aren't done with the abortion wars by any means. My prediction: it will involve interstate travel to obtain an abortion. And I don't see how that resolves in a pretty way. Continued ugliness and a major cash cow for politicians. Again, Chuck Todd gave some extraordinary figure for marketing associated with abortion...in the multiple billions. 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 5. Hope for better governance? Well, some smart people have it. Here's one: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/11/what-is-the-best-case-scenario-for-a-trump-presidency.html#comments. I could go along with this! But this is a fantasy. It would depend on having adult, experienced policy advisors. That's not what Trump has promised, and that's not our experience with him. Example from that blog: Trade Policy: Moderate tariff increases on China. No Chinese electric cars for us. But drop the “tariffs on everything” language. He can always say his rhetoric was a threat to get other countries to lower their tariffs. Let’s instead talk tough against our enemies but shift toward “friend-shoring”, maintaining or even lowering tariffs with allied nations, such as Canada, Europe, and possibly India, as part of a broader strategy to contain China’s influence. What are the chances something like this actually happens? 6. The 2028 race begins today. Trump is term limited. JD Vance will be the initial anointed one. Are other Republicans going to clear the field for him? Umm, no. Ron DeSantis isn't waiting. Several women are ready to grab that First Woman President that Hillary and Kamala couldn't deliver on. On the Democratic side, watch how they play this. I said a Bill Clinton type is what they need, but a significant faction will say why they lost is they marginalized their leftist wing. That wing will storm back. My take: Obama's success wasn't replicable; he was a rare political talent who built a cult of personality that was, of course, personal to him. Not transferable to Hillary or Biden or Kamala. Trump is likewise a rare political talent. The cult of personality around him is not transferable to DeSantis or Ted Cruz or Don Jr. So these are party identifications built on individuals who will exit the scene, not built on stable coalitions or policy choices. In other words, it's wide open. I would write in for @muppy. Agreed--Wide open like a Clinton intern. I'll be interested in seeing Vance's development. I enjoyed his time on Rogan, and he seems like a pretty sharp guy. He's not a fundamentalist like Pence, is quite articulate and seems like he can handle himself in a scrum. 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 7. We used to say That come the day We'd all be making songs Or finding better words These ideas never lasted long The way is up Along the road The air is growing thin Too many friends who tried Were blown off this mountain with the wind Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge When my time is up I'm gonna see all my friends Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge If you really mean it, it all comes round again She was queen for about an hour After that, ***** got sour She took all I ever had No sign of guilt No feeling of bad, no feeling of bad She ****ing hates me 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 8. No one is rioting or filing lawsuits or screaming fraud. Maybe, just maybe, that phase of American politics has calmed down. We can hope. So far, so good.
ComradeKayAdams Posted November 7 Posted November 7 20 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: With a hat tip to two of our best commenters on the football side-- 1. I'm not surprised that Trump won the electoral college. I am surprised that he won the popular vote - the first time a Republican has done so since 2004. It's certainly better than 2016 because we have some clarity. Trump now owns whatever happens politically (and yes, economically) for the next 4 years. He has the Senate and very likely the House, and a compliant Supreme Court. He sets the legislative and foreign policy agenda. Last time he set aside immigration, health care, etc. in favor of Paul Ryan's more standard Republican tax cutting agenda. If there isn't a strong comprehensive immigration reform bill in the first few months I'll have to assume we're in for more of the same. 2. Democrats obviously need to rethink their coalition. Highly educated whites + lesser educated black and brown people isn't going to work. It was an unstable coalition to begin with since there really weren't enough common interests. It just blew up. Good. Trump refashioned the Republican Party/coalition in his own likeness; he will now refashion the Democratic Party/coalition as they respond to the new reality. Where is their Bill Clinton? 3. Bond markets are pricing in increased inflationary expectations. Running for President is easy if you don't issue comprehensive policy plans but just try to target certain groups/states. No taxes on tips! No taxes on social security! But there's deficits, and there's real associated spending cuts that need to happen. 4. Abortion. Exit polls show about a 2:1 split in favor of some Roe-type abortion rights. It remains untenable to have a large swath of the country with abortion bans in this situation. We aren't done with the abortion wars by any means. My prediction: it will involve interstate travel to obtain an abortion. And I don't see how that resolves in a pretty way. 5. Hope for better governance? Well, some smart people have it. Here's one: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/11/what-is-the-best-case-scenario-for-a-trump-presidency.html#comments. I could go along with this! But this is a fantasy. It would depend on having adult, experienced policy advisors. That's not what Trump has promised, and that's not our experience with him. Example from that blog: Trade Policy: Moderate tariff increases on China. No Chinese electric cars for us. But drop the “tariffs on everything” language. He can always say his rhetoric was a threat to get other countries to lower their tariffs. Let’s instead talk tough against our enemies but shift toward “friend-shoring”, maintaining or even lowering tariffs with allied nations, such as Canada, Europe, and possibly India, as part of a broader strategy to contain China’s influence. What are the chances something like this actually happens? 6. The 2028 race begins today. Trump is term limited. JD Vance will be the initial anointed one. Are other Republicans going to clear the field for him? Umm, no. Ron DeSantis isn't waiting. Several women are ready to grab that First Woman President that Hillary and Kamala couldn't deliver on. On the Democratic side, watch how they play this. I said a Bill Clinton type is what they need, but a significant faction will say why they lost is they marginalized their leftist wing. That wing will storm back. My take: Obama's success wasn't replicable; he was a rare political talent who built a cult of personality that was, of course, personal to him. Not transferable to Hillary or Biden or Kamala. Trump is likewise a rare political talent. The cult of personality around him is not transferable to DeSantis or Ted Cruz or Don Jr. So these are party identifications built on individuals who will exit the scene, not built on stable coalitions or policy choices. In other words, it's wide open. 7. We used to say That come the day We'd all be making songs Or finding better words These ideas never lasted long The way is up Along the road The air is growing thin Too many friends who tried Were blown off this mountain with the wind Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge When my time is up I'm gonna see all my friends Meet on the ledge We're gonna meet on the ledge If you really mean it, it all comes round again 8. No one is rioting or filing lawsuits or screaming fraud. Maybe, just maybe, that phase of American politics has calmed down. We can hope. A few deliberate responses to your post, in specific order: 1. Both manners of defeat were surprising to me, and losing the popular vote was far more shocking than the swing state sweep. I truly underestimated how badly our country has regressed to a state of Idiocracy in such a short amount of time. We are a cauldron of misinformation, anti-intellectualism, and late-stage neoliberalism. With the House and Senate and Supreme Court under party control, President Camacho now has his political mandate. 2. No, the fundamental problem with the particular 2024 Harris coalition was that the PMC (professional/managerial class) leadership became sclerotic to the economic anxieties of the working class. Bread-and-butter issues that actually challenged the corporate oligarchy were ignored in favor of frivolous fixations with Trump’s personality. Or to put it in classical Marxism-Leninism terms, I suppose: the bourgeoise stopped listening to the proletariat, and the proletariat responded by either staying home or turning to Trump. It would also be remiss of me to not add Israel’s ongoing genocide to the critical list of issues that Harris ignored. Progressives and Muslim-Americans responded accordingly, particularly in the blue Midwest firewall. Keep in mind that Gaza has been polling at enormous party electorate interest levels and is, thus, far removed from the panoply of boutique political issues. The immoral international aid benefits the military-industrial complex and settler colonialists alike, at the expense of domestic financial stimulus. Remember that Israel has universal health care; you decidedly don’t. 3. Do the MAGA variants of the right wing still care about the national debt?? I had no idea. I think working-class MAGA is set to learn some very painful lessons about trickle-down economics. They achieved their first objective that can be best described as “f*cking around.” Yay! Congrats! The second stage now involves “finding out.” 4. No doubt, the post-Roe landscape will involve legally contested interstate travel. The pro-choice movement will win every single one of these cases, just as it will eventually win the greater reproductive rights war within about a generation’s time. In the meantime, every woman in America should be made aware of national organizations like The Brigid Alliance. An entire Underground Railroad-esque network is being developed to help women stuck in retrograde red state regions like the Bible Belt. 5. I’m fine with some of these enumerated policy sections: “trade policy,” “border control,” “space and innovation,” “respect meritocracy,” and “kill bureaucracy.” The laughable idea, however, of RFK Jr. directing vaccine and health policy certainly fits the anti-science and pro-conspiracy nature of the MAGA movement. Crypto regulation is good, though cryptocurrencies are terrible for the environment (as if MAGA cares about that…). Regarding the “U.S. A.I.” section, I work peripherally in the microelectronics industry and can tell you that the GOP’s agenda to repeal the CHIPS and Science Act (as admitted by House Speaker, Mike Johnson) would be devastating to our country’s tech goals (as well as our national security objectives). I can only cry at the “expand housing supply” section. Sprawling suburbs are environmentally devastating and put extra strain on our country’s energy infrastructure. But yes, I do realize that I’m communicating with a football subforum community of morally repugnant far-right middle-aged/Boomery a-holes who only care about themselves and not posterity. Thankfully, many of you are as fat and smelly as you are old and wizened, so your eternal sleep shall be hastened by your gluttonous and unethical omnivore diet. <<< crosses skinny vegan fingers >>> 6. Rest assured, the far-left wing is coming to take over the Democratic Party by 2028. In one key way, Kamala’s ignominious defeat has facilitated this takeover because of the enormous power vacuum it created for the next 8 years. It took libertarians 16 years between Goldwater and Reagan; we’re only 8 years removed from Bernie’s first run. With a sufficient coalition size, the dismantling of the Supreme Court’s power via court-packing threats should be the far-left’s ultimate objective. 7. I can’t tell you who to idolize. You think it’s almost over, but it’s only on the rise. Calling, calling, for something in the air. Calling, calling, I know you must be there. The story of a woman on the morning of a war. Remind me, if you will, exactly what we’re fighting for? Throw me to the wolves because there’s order in the pack. Throw me to the sky because I know I’m coming back. <<< poignant John Frusciante guitar wailing >>> 8. Meh. My only plea for those who insist on political violence is to direct it at the powerful. Please don’t allow the powerless to catch strays! 4
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: A few deliberate responses to your post, in specific order: 1. Both manners of defeat were surprising to me, and losing the popular vote was far more shocking than the swing state sweep. I truly underestimated how badly our country has regressed to a state of Idiocracy in such a short amount of time. We are a cauldron of misinformation, anti-intellectualism, and late-stage neoliberalism. With the House and Senate and Supreme Court under party control, President Camacho now has his political mandate. 2. No, the fundamental problem with the particular 2024 Harris coalition was that the PMC (professional/managerial class) leadership became sclerotic to the economic anxieties of the working class. Bread-and-butter issues that actually challenged the corporate oligarchy were ignored in favor of frivolous fixations with Trump’s personality. Or to put it in classical Marxism-Leninism terms, I suppose: the bourgeoise stopped listening to the proletariat, and the proletariat responded by either staying home or turning to Trump. It would also be remiss of me to not add Israel’s ongoing genocide to the critical list of issues that Harris ignored. Progressives and Muslim-Americans responded accordingly, particularly in the blue Midwest firewall. Keep in mind that Gaza has been polling at enormous party electorate interest levels and is, thus, far removed from the panoply of boutique political issues. The immoral international aid benefits the military-industrial complex and settler colonialists alike, at the expense of domestic financial stimulus. Remember that Israel has universal health care; you decidedly don’t. 3. Do the MAGA variants of the right wing still care about the national debt?? I had no idea. I think working-class MAGA is set to learn some very painful lessons about trickle-down economics. They achieved their first objective that can be best described as “f*cking around.” Yay! Congrats! The second stage now involves “finding out.” 4. No doubt, the post-Roe landscape will involve legally contested interstate travel. The pro-choice movement will win every single one of these cases, just as it will eventually win the greater reproductive rights war within about a generation’s time. In the meantime, every woman in America should be made aware of national organizations like The Brigid Alliance. An entire Underground Railroad-esque network is being developed to help women stuck in retrograde red state regions like the Bible Belt. 5. I’m fine with some of these enumerated policy sections: “trade policy,” “border control,” “space and innovation,” “respect meritocracy,” and “kill bureaucracy.” The laughable idea, however, of RFK Jr. directing vaccine and health policy certainly fits the anti-science and pro-conspiracy nature of the MAGA movement. Crypto regulation is good, though cryptocurrencies are terrible for the environment (as if MAGA cares about that…). Regarding the “U.S. A.I.” section, I work peripherally in the microelectronics industry and can tell you that the GOP’s agenda to repeal the CHIPS and Science Act (as admitted by House Speaker, Mike Johnson) would be devastating to our country’s tech goals (as well as our national security objectives). I can only cry at the “expand housing supply” section. Sprawling suburbs are environmentally devastating and put extra strain on our country’s energy infrastructure. But yes, I do realize that I’m communicating with a football subforum community of morally repugnant far-right middle-aged/Boomery a-holes who only care about themselves and not posterity. Thankfully, many of you are as fat and smelly as you are old and wizened, so your eternal sleep shall be hastened by your gluttonous and unethical omnivore diet. <<< crosses skinny vegan fingers >>> 6. Rest assured, the far-left wing is coming to take over the Democratic Party by 2028. In one key way, Kamala’s ignominious defeat has facilitated this takeover because of the enormous power vacuum it created for the next 8 years. It took libertarians 16 years between Goldwater and Reagan; we’re only 8 years removed from Bernie’s first run. With a sufficient coalition size, the dismantling of the Supreme Court’s power via court-packing threats should be the far-left’s ultimate objective. 7. I can’t tell you who to idolize. You think it’s almost over, but it’s only on the rise. Calling, calling, for something in the air. Calling, calling, I know you must be there. The story of a woman on the morning of a war. Remind me, if you will, exactly what we’re fighting for? Throw me to the wolves because there’s order in the pack. Throw me to the sky because I know I’m coming back. <<< poignant John Frusciante guitar wailing >>> 8. Meh. My only plea for those who insist on political violence is to direct it at the powerful. Please don’t allow the powerless to catch strays! Excellent, though I have to wonder how many party goers went straight to the voting booth for Trump/Vance after the political dissertation on the good old Chairman Mao days from a certain snake-haired lass with the cool eyes and smoky smile. @4th & long While she may have implied that I’m fat and smelly, Comrade Kay has provided some excellent feedback in the vast drudgery of her prose. I’ll check up on the Brigid Alliance a bit later, doing my best to avoid the bias stereotyping evident in CKA’s post. 1
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted November 7 Posted November 7 24 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: A few deliberate responses to your post, in specific order: 1. Both manners of defeat were surprising to me, and losing the popular vote was far more shocking than the swing state sweep. I truly underestimated how badly our country has regressed to a state of Idiocracy in such a short amount of time. We are a cauldron of misinformation, anti-intellectualism, and late-stage neoliberalism. With the House and Senate and Supreme Court under party control, President Camacho now has his political mandate. 2. No, the fundamental problem with the particular 2024 Harris coalition was that the PMC (professional/managerial class) leadership became sclerotic to the economic anxieties of the working class. Bread-and-butter issues that actually challenged the corporate oligarchy were ignored in favor of frivolous fixations with Trump’s personality. Or to put it in classical Marxism-Leninism terms, I suppose: the bourgeoise stopped listening to the proletariat, and the proletariat responded by either staying home or turning to Trump. It would also be remiss of me to not add Israel’s ongoing genocide to the critical list of issues that Harris ignored. Progressives and Muslim-Americans responded accordingly, particularly in the blue Midwest firewall. Keep in mind that Gaza has been polling at enormous party electorate interest levels and is, thus, far removed from the panoply of boutique political issues. The immoral international aid benefits the military-industrial complex and settler colonialists alike, at the expense of domestic financial stimulus. Remember that Israel has universal health care; you decidedly don’t. 3. Do the MAGA variants of the right wing still care about the national debt?? I had no idea. I think working-class MAGA is set to learn some very painful lessons about trickle-down economics. They achieved their first objective that can be best described as “f*cking around.” Yay! Congrats! The second stage now involves “finding out.” 4. No doubt, the post-Roe landscape will involve legally contested interstate travel. The pro-choice movement will win every single one of these cases, just as it will eventually win the greater reproductive rights war within about a generation’s time. In the meantime, every woman in America should be made aware of national organizations like The Brigid Alliance. An entire Underground Railroad-esque network is being developed to help women stuck in retrograde red state regions like the Bible Belt. 5. I’m fine with some of these enumerated policy sections: “trade policy,” “border control,” “space and innovation,” “respect meritocracy,” and “kill bureaucracy.” The laughable idea, however, of RFK Jr. directing vaccine and health policy certainly fits the anti-science and pro-conspiracy nature of the MAGA movement. Crypto regulation is good, though cryptocurrencies are terrible for the environment (as if MAGA cares about that…). Regarding the “U.S. A.I.” section, I work peripherally in the microelectronics industry and can tell you that the GOP’s agenda to repeal the CHIPS and Science Act (as admitted by House Speaker, Mike Johnson) would be devastating to our country’s tech goals (as well as our national security objectives). I can only cry at the “expand housing supply” section. Sprawling suburbs are environmentally devastating and put extra strain on our country’s energy infrastructure. But yes, I do realize that I’m communicating with a football subforum community of morally repugnant far-right middle-aged/Boomery a-holes who only care about themselves and not posterity. Thankfully, many of you are as fat and smelly as you are old and wizened, so your eternal sleep shall be hastened by your gluttonous and unethical omnivore diet. <<< crosses skinny vegan fingers >>> 6. Rest assured, the far-left wing is coming to take over the Democratic Party by 2028. In one key way, Kamala’s ignominious defeat has facilitated this takeover because of the enormous power vacuum it created for the next 8 years. It took libertarians 16 years between Goldwater and Reagan; we’re only 8 years removed from Bernie’s first run. With a sufficient coalition size, the dismantling of the Supreme Court’s power via court-packing threats should be the far-left’s ultimate objective. 7. I can’t tell you who to idolize. You think it’s almost over, but it’s only on the rise. Calling, calling, for something in the air. Calling, calling, I know you must be there. The story of a woman on the morning of a war. Remind me, if you will, exactly what we’re fighting for? Throw me to the wolves because there’s order in the pack. Throw me to the sky because I know I’m coming back. <<< poignant John Frusciante guitar wailing >>> 8. Meh. My only plea for those who insist on political violence is to direct it at the powerful. Please don’t allow the powerless to catch strays! you were wildly wrong with your election prediction. Any reason we should put stock into any of this?
4th&long Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Excellent, though I have to wonder how many party goers went straight to the voting booth for Trump/Vance after the political dissertation on the good old Chairman Mao days from a certain snake-haired lass with the cool eyes and smoky smile. @4th & long While she may have implied that I’m fat and smelly, Comrade Kay has provided some excellent feedback in the vast drudgery of her prose. I’ll check up on the Brigid Alliance a bit later, doing my best to avoid the bias stereotyping evident in CKA’s post. I see you like to tag me. You are obsessed with me also I see. Kay is a great poster and I told her so before so you didn’t need to tell me. I’m glad you can recognize her as such. i still think you and the right are full of *****. Have you ever acknowledged anything trump has broke the law on? No. When you do let me know. You voted for a criminal you will get what you deserve. I’m going to wait to see who he surrounds himself with before I say a lot on how the next 4 years will play out. He added $8 trillion to the debt his last term. He is a crook for a businessman. How people think he was successful businessman and will be good for the economy is beyond me? I can only hope he gets it right. He bought the Supreme Court, he had the senate and it looks like the House. He should be able to do what he wants. I think this country votes people out more than they vote for someone. Trump got voted out his first time, Biden/Harris got voted out, will see if republicans can hold onto the govt the next two election cycles? It will depend on what trump does. He needs people around him who care about the constitution or the republicans are screwed. Trump will use the govt to enrich himself and other billionaires again. i tell you one thing, if there is someone I would listen to on here it is Kay over your dumb old fat ass. You try to come off as reasonable etc. etc…. You are just as full of horse sh it as anyone on here. At least most of maga on here doesn’t try to be something they are not. 17 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: you were wildly wrong with your election prediction. Any reason we should put stock into any of this? No don’t put stock in it. Continue on as the ignorant fool you are. Trumps term hasn’t started yet. I wouldn’t gloat too much. That guy has zero room to slip up. Just because he got elected doesn’t mean he ids not a bumbling idiot. Maybe he can put Hannibal lecture in charge of the fda? 1 1
SectionC3 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, 4th&long said: I see you like to tag me. You are obsessed with me also I see. Kay is a great poster and I told her so before so you didn’t need to tell me. I’m glad you can recognize her as such. i still think you and the right are full of *****. Have you ever acknowledged anything trump has broke the law on? No. When you do let me know. You voted for a criminal you will get what you deserve. I’m going to wait to see who he surrounds himself with before I say a lot on how the next 4 years will play out. He added $8 trillion to the debt his last term. He is a crook for a businessman. How people think he was successful businessman and will be good for the economy is beyond me? I can only hope he gets it right. He bought the Supreme Court, he had the senate and it looks like the House. He should be able to do what he wants. I think this country votes people out more than they vote for someone. Trump got voted out his first time, Biden/Harris got voted out, will see if republicans can hold onto the govt the next two election cycles? It will depend on what trump does. He needs people around him who care about the constitution or the republicans are screwed. Trump will use the govt to enrich himself and other billionaires again. i tell you one thing, if there is someone I would listen to on here it is Kay over your dumb old fat ass. You try to come off as reasonable etc. etc…. You are just as full of horse sh it as anyone on here. At least most of maga on here doesn’t try to be something they are not. No don’t put stock in it. Continue on as the ignorant fool you are. Trumps term hasn’t started yet. I wouldn’t gloat too much. That guy has zero room to slip up. Just because he got elected doesn’t mean he ids not a bumbling idiot. Maybe he can put Hannibal lecture in charge of the fda? Read my post in the other thread. The dog caught the car. I hope they win the House and do all of the stupid economic stuff they talk about. It's going to work out great for me and terribly for them. It will cement the educational and generational wealth divide in this country. Class mobility is going to be next to impossible without education (they don't have it) or the discipline of a superior work ethic (also lacking, as far as I can tell). They'll get their guns, and they'll deport some brown people, and then seal the border. And then guess what? They'll have to go to work in the factory making the stuff that we won't import from China anymore because of tariffs and that we don't have immigrants to manufacture and they'll lead miserable, crappy lives with no room to advance because they voted against the party of unions and labor protection. Their hope is that trickle down economics bails them out. But it won't. And maybe the old school Republicans get back to the stuff they've wanted to do for decades with respect to cutting Medicaid and Medicare. (Which, frankly, I'm now all for, since we're playing the MAGA/selfish game and I don't feel like subsidizing them anymore.) From a purely economic perspective, this whole thing is going to be great for the rich and educated, and brutal for the middle class and poor. They got played, and they don't even see it coming. Have at it, MAGA! (And hint - don't come looking to me for trickle down or handouts when the proverbial s hits the fan in a couple of years after the sugar high from all of the deficit spending wears off.) 2
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Read my post in the other thread. The dog caught the car. I hope they win the House and do all of the stupid economic stuff they talk about. It's going to work out great for me and terribly for them. It will cement the educational and generational wealth divide in this country. Class mobility is going to be next to impossible without education (they don't have it) or the discipline of a superior work ethic (also lacking, as far as I can tell). They'll get their guns, and they'll deport some brown people, and then seal the border. And then guess what? They'll have to go to work in the factory making the stuff that we won't import from China anymore because of tariffs and that we don't have immigrants to manufacture and they'll lead miserable, crappy lives with no room to advance because they voted against the party of unions and labor protection. Their hope is that trickle down economics bails them out. But it won't. And maybe the old school Republicans get back to the stuff they've wanted to do for decades with respect to cutting Medicaid and Medicare. (Which, frankly, I'm now all for, since we're playing the MAGA/selfish game and I don't feel like subsidizing them anymore.) From a purely economic perspective, this whole thing is going to be great for the rich and educated, and brutal for the middle class and poor. They got played, and they don't even see it coming. Have at it, MAGA! (And hint - don't come looking to me for trickle down or handouts when the proverbial s hits the fan in a couple of years after the sugar high from all of the deficit spending wears off.) This could go in the coping and seething thread. Hope things settle down for you before too long.
4th&long Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Biden is Mentally Fit said: This could go in the coping and seething thread. Hope things settle down for you before too long. As usual nothing good to add. Len does this get filed in the good conversation category section?
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, 4th&long said: As usual nothing good to add. Len does this get filed in the good conversation category section? Hope I haven’t gotten under your skin.
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: From a purely economic perspective, this whole thing is going to be great for the rich and educated, and brutal for the middle class and poor. They got played, and they don't even see it coming. Have at it, MAGA! (And hint - don't come looking to me for trickle down or handouts when the proverbial s hits the fan in a couple of years after the sugar high from all of the deficit spending wears off.) I think your conclusion applies better in the past tense to the Biden administration than it does to future speculation on the incoming Trump administration. Because the middle class and poor were the exact groups that took it up the tail pipe under Biden/Harris. And when Kamala communicated her platform of change but stated clearly when asked that there was nothing about the Biden administration's polices and actions she would change voters asked exactly what change is she talking about forward from 2024? Both candidates are flawed and the majority choose the devil they know.
wnyguy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 53 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: A few deliberate responses to your post, in specific order: 1. Both manners of defeat were surprising to me, and losing the popular vote was far more shocking than the swing state sweep. I truly underestimated how badly our country has regressed to a state of Idiocracy in such a short amount of time. We are a cauldron of misinformation, anti-intellectualism, and late-stage neoliberalism. With the House and Senate and Supreme Court under party control, President Camacho now has his political mandate. 2. No, the fundamental problem with the particular 2024 Harris coalition was that the PMC (professional/managerial class) leadership became sclerotic to the economic anxieties of the working class. Bread-and-butter issues that actually challenged the corporate oligarchy were ignored in favor of frivolous fixations with Trump’s personality. Or to put it in classical Marxism-Leninism terms, I suppose: the bourgeoise stopped listening to the proletariat, and the proletariat responded by either staying home or turning to Trump. It would also be remiss of me to not add Israel’s ongoing genocide to the critical list of issues that Harris ignored. Progressives and Muslim-Americans responded accordingly, particularly in the blue Midwest firewall. Keep in mind that Gaza has been polling at enormous party electorate interest levels and is, thus, far removed from the panoply of boutique political issues. The immoral international aid benefits the military-industrial complex and settler colonialists alike, at the expense of domestic financial stimulus. Remember that Israel has universal health care; you decidedly don’t. 3. Do the MAGA variants of the right wing still care about the national debt?? I had no idea. I think working-class MAGA is set to learn some very painful lessons about trickle-down economics. They achieved their first objective that can be best described as “f*cking around.” Yay! Congrats! The second stage now involves “finding out.” 4. No doubt, the post-Roe landscape will involve legally contested interstate travel. The pro-choice movement will win every single one of these cases, just as it will eventually win the greater reproductive rights war within about a generation’s time. In the meantime, every woman in America should be made aware of national organizations like The Brigid Alliance. An entire Underground Railroad-esque network is being developed to help women stuck in retrograde red state regions like the Bible Belt. 5. I’m fine with some of these enumerated policy sections: “trade policy,” “border control,” “space and innovation,” “respect meritocracy,” and “kill bureaucracy.” The laughable idea, however, of RFK Jr. directing vaccine and health policy certainly fits the anti-science and pro-conspiracy nature of the MAGA movement. Crypto regulation is good, though cryptocurrencies are terrible for the environment (as if MAGA cares about that…). Regarding the “U.S. A.I.” section, I work peripherally in the microelectronics industry and can tell you that the GOP’s agenda to repeal the CHIPS and Science Act (as admitted by House Speaker, Mike Johnson) would be devastating to our country’s tech goals (as well as our national security objectives). I can only cry at the “expand housing supply” section. Sprawling suburbs are environmentally devastating and put extra strain on our country’s energy infrastructure. But yes, I do realize that I’m communicating with a football subforum community of morally repugnant far-right middle-aged/Boomery a-holes who only care about themselves and not posterity. Thankfully, many of you are as fat and smelly as you are old and wizened, so your eternal sleep shall be hastened by your gluttonous and unethical omnivore diet. <<< crosses skinny vegan fingers >>> 6. Rest assured, the far-left wing is coming to take over the Democratic Party by 2028. In one key way, Kamala’s ignominious defeat has facilitated this takeover because of the enormous power vacuum it created for the next 8 years. It took libertarians 16 years between Goldwater and Reagan; we’re only 8 years removed from Bernie’s first run. With a sufficient coalition size, the dismantling of the Supreme Court’s power via court-packing threats should be the far-left’s ultimate objective. 7. I can’t tell you who to idolize. You think it’s almost over, but it’s only on the rise. Calling, calling, for something in the air. Calling, calling, I know you must be there. The story of a woman on the morning of a war. Remind me, if you will, exactly what we’re fighting for? Throw me to the wolves because there’s order in the pack. Throw me to the sky because I know I’m coming back. <<< poignant John Frusciante guitar wailing >>> 8. Meh. My only plea for those who insist on political violence is to direct it at the powerful. Please don’t allow the powerless to catch strays! Kay, I do appreciate your posts, you are an excellent wordsmith for sure. Here's the thing, you have been lied to and if this election hasn't shown the liberal left wing how wrong they are then there is no hope for them. Should the Democratic party move even further left it will be their death knell. That's what this election was about and I see you were surprised that the majority of Americans have become frustrated and fed up with the left wing agenda that your party embraces. So please keep preaching your sermons but don't be surprised when it is seen as an insult to your average American regardless of their race, religion, or gender. That is why Trump was victorious. 1
SectionC3 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: This could go in the coping and seething thread. Hope things settle down for you before too long. You obviously haven't read a single thing I've written. Congratulations on your social victory. And thank you for promoting an economic agenda that is going to make me richer and lock the "Let's Go Brandon" into generations of menial work to buy a couple of guns, pay off the giant pickup truck they don't need, and watch their kids toil in the same crappy jobs that they have right now. You guys can post all of the memes and gloat all you want. But just about every one of you just got played. Thank you, again, on behalf of my wallet.
wnyguy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: You obviously haven't read a single thing I've written. Congratulations on your social victory. And thank you for promoting an economic agenda that is going to make me richer and lock the "Let's Go Brandon" into generations of menial work to buy a couple of guns, pay off the giant pickup truck they don't need, and watch their kids toil in the same crappy jobs that they have right now. You guys can post all of the memes and gloat all you want. But just about every one of you just got played. Thank you, again, on behalf of my wallet. Your most welcome, enjoy. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, 4th&long said: I see you like to tag me. You are obsessed with me also I see. Kay is a great poster and I told her so before so you didn’t need to tell me. I’m glad you can recognize her as such. i still think you and the right are full of *****. Have you ever acknowledged anything trump has broke the law on? No. When you do let me know. You voted for a criminal you will get what you deserve. I’m going to wait to see who he surrounds himself with before I say a lot on how the next 4 years will play out. He added $8 trillion to the debt his last term. He is a crook for a businessman. How people think he was successful businessman and will be good for the economy is beyond me? I can only hope he gets it right. He bought the Supreme Court, he had the senate and it looks like the House. He should be able to do what he wants. I think this country votes people out more than they vote for someone. Trump got voted out his first time, Biden/Harris got voted out, will see if republicans can hold onto the govt the next two election cycles? It will depend on what trump does. He needs people around him who care about the constitution or the republicans are screwed. Trump will use the govt to enrich himself and other billionaires again. i tell you one thing, if there is someone I would listen to on here it is Kay over your dumb old fat ass. You try to come off as reasonable etc. etc…. You are just as full of horse sh it as anyone on here. At least most of maga on here doesn’t try to be something they are not. No don’t put stock in it. Continue on as the ignorant fool you are. Trumps term hasn’t started yet. I wouldn’t gloat too much. That guy has zero room to slip up. Just because he got elected doesn’t mean he ids not a bumbling idiot. Maybe he can put Hannibal lecture in charge of the fda? I tagged you because you made the claim that no minds are changed or thoughtful dialogue occurs here. I didn’t mock you, wasn’t trying to enrage you and didn’t consider your comments in that regard in the same category as some of the other dopey stuff you post. I do have to laugh about the “dumb old fat ass” comment. As I’ve said previously, I’m an optimist generally, work to stay positive emotionally and physically. My old dumb ass found that’s the best thing to remain healthy, keep the excess pounds off, stay engaged and live a full life. I understand you’ve had challenges that I haven’t faced, but we’ve all faced challenges, trials and tribulations in life and I’d think it incumbent on each of us to manage our way through. Quite a few years ago, not long after I started a business, I was feeling the crushing weight of what I was up against, negative and worried about how I was going to provide for my young family. I reached out to a mentor to vent and get some validation for what I was feeling. His words, plus or minus, were “Respectfully, Leh-nerd, I’ve listened to you talk for 10 minutes about all the negative things going on, and I’m wondering if I’m hearing it, maybe your team is as well? How do you think that impacts them?”. * He is was right, and I’m telling you sure as the sun shines I’m correct now. Out of respect for your feelings, I’ll cease tagging you or replying to your posts. * After this conversation, I was driving and watching a hawk soar with a beautiful blue sky behind it. I felt….I don’t know…like a weight had been lifted and I was somehow…free, yes, free. Like a bird. I wrote down my thoughts…and…well, now you know the rest of the story….
SectionC3 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I think your conclusion applies better in the past tense to the Biden administration than it does to future speculation on the incoming Trump administration. Because the middle class and poor were the exact groups that took it up the tail pipe under Biden/Harris. And when Kamala communicated her platform of change but stated clearly when asked that there was nothing about the Biden administration's polices and actions she would change voters asked exactly what change is she talking about forward from 2024? Both candidates are flawed and the majority choose the devil they know. Largely because of their own spending habits and because of stupid government spending (free Trump bucks are huge part of this). Generally, Americans are way overextended. The gamble on Trump essentially is one of trickle down economics which, historically, doesn't work. Maybe the tax cuts make things a little easier for some to get by in the short term. But they aren't going to help these people get ahead. There's a difference. Ultimately nothing for them is going to change until they develop discipline and work ethic. Factory jobs aren't going to get them the lives they want without union benefits and protection. But that's not what they voted for. And, personally, I don't friggin care. Thank you to every single one of them. I made a ton of money yesterday, and I look forward to the tax cuts that inevitably will result in massive reduction of services that most of these MAGA voters need. The dog caught the car, and I'm getting more excited about it every minute. 1 minute ago, wnyguy said: Your most welcome, enjoy. I am. Thanks again! Let me know how the non-union manual labor path works out for most of MAGA. And let's work together to start those Medicare, Medicaid, and social services cuts. In for a penny, in for a pound, right? While we're at it, let's trim welfare, too, which mostly benefits white MAGA folks.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: You obviously haven't read a single thing I've written. Congratulations on your social victory. And thank you for promoting an economic agenda that is going to make me richer and lock the "Let's Go Brandon" into generations of menial work to buy a couple of guns, pay off the giant pickup truck they don't need, and watch their kids toil in the same crappy jobs that they have right now. You guys can post all of the memes and gloat all you want. But just about every one of you just got played. Thank you, again, on behalf of my wallet. Thank you for being so passionate.
wnyguy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I am. Thanks again! Let me know how the non-union manual labor path works out for most of MAGA. And let's work together to start those Medicare, Medicaid, and social services cuts. In for a penny, in for a pound, right? While we're at it, let's trim welfare, too, which mostly benefits white MAGA folks. Okay we will get right on that and we will call you if we ever need your advice.
4th&long Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: Hope I haven’t gotten under your skin. Why would it? That is what I expect from you. I don’t let things I expect to get under my skin.
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