Nick Veronica - Joe Brady is a betting favorite to become next Saints HC

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

There are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the world.  When one of those spots is offered, it is very difficult to pass up.  

 

True.  Although sometimes you have to look at the situation.  A bad legacy with a team like NO could ruin future chances.

 

The cap situation along with the old age of so many high "dead money" players mean at least 2 years to clear the problem.

It takes until 2027 to rid yourself of Carr (he is on a no-trade clause contract), all this makes the Saints pretty toxic option.

 

Still there will be posters on this board bringing up the Saints as a proven "poster child" that the cap is not real.

 

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

 

Ben Johnson should 100% be higher on that list than Brady. They are overvaluing the LSU connection.

 

Plus Brady's actual New Orleans Saints and Sean Payton connection, of course.

 

10 hours ago, Sojourner said:

He apparently passed on 2 last year… The Falcons and Panthers. 

 

Passing on the Falcons actually is an interesting case to revisit. Not a bad situation at QB (and offensive skill overall tbh) in the short or long term, unless I guess you don't think Penix Jr is a viable prospect. 

 

9 hours ago, peterpan said:

That’s why we should have hired an already-fired head coach as OC this year.  I was calling for Kingsbury for a few years.  He is absolutely killing it with Washington and Jayden Daniel’s.

 

Gotta see how 2nd half of season goes for his offense. Agree with you conceptually that Kingsbury is an intriguing OC candidate, but each year his offenses seemed to get figured out down the stretch. This was consistently the case, if I'm not mistaken. 

 

8 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

IDK, I suppose that depends upon how one defines elite.  

 

Otherwise, Cook & Davis are the only two that have made a significant impact in the passing/receiving game and it hasn't been all that consistent.  Together they've logged 29 catches for 319 yards and a pair of TDs.  Cook's single biggest contribution was in a blowout win over the hapless Jags.  Davis' only notable catches have been the 62-yarder in this past game and the 43-yarder vs. the Jets, both exceptional catches, but he's got 8 grabs for 44 yards and no scores otherwise.  

 

That's not really elite pending the definition.  For elite in terms of receiving RBs I think a RB that logs 600+ receiving yards and historically I think of the Faulk, Centers, Byars, Roger Craig types.  

 

Last season the top-three RBs for receiving yards were Breece Hall with 591 yards and 4 TDs;  McCaffrey with 564 and 7 TDs;  and Rashaad White with 549 and 3 TDs.  

 

Our two combined are on pace for 602 and 4 TDs between them.  That doesn't seem like it registers as elite for either.  

 

Also, greater consistency is required for elite status.  3 catches in three games for both TDs and about half the yards with fairly pedestrian performance otherwise doesn't qualify as elite either.  

 

Just sayin'.  

 

 

 

So we're getting elite RB1 receiving production out of the position still? Or did those RB1s above have RB2s who added enough supplemental production to create a gap? 

 

6 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Jets owner is a beaut

 

Love this 

 

[Sojourner]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Plus Brady's actual New Orleans Saints and Sean Payton connection, of course.

 

 

Passing on the Falcons actually is an interesting case to revisit. Not a bad situation at QB (and offensive skill overall tbh) in the short or long term, unless I guess you don't think Penix Jr is a viable prospect. 

 

 

Gotta see how 2nd half of season goes for his offense. Agree with you conceptually that Kingsbury is an intriguing OC candidate, but each year his offenses seemed to get figured out down the stretch. This was consistently the case, if I'm not mistaken. 

 

 

So we're getting elite RB1 receiving production out of the position still? Or did those RB1s above have RB2s who added enough supplemental production to create a gap? 

 

 

Love this 

 

It wasn’t the Falcons, sorry. It was the Seahawks and Commanders who offered him HC positions. I remembered the wrong bird team lol
 

Falcons and Chargers were all just interviews. 
 

He turned down the Panthers for an in-person completely lol

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

There are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the world.  When one of those spots is offered, it is very difficult to pass up.  

 

On the other hand the average number of Head Coaching openings every offseason is about 6. If Brady is a Head Coaching candidate the Saints job might not be his only opportunity.

 

9 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Saints is probably the worst because of their cap situation.

Jets isn't far off, bad cap, and either stuck with rodgers or have no QB.  

NYG might open up - no QB.

Browns - stuck with watsons terrible deal, worst owner in NFL

Bears - They have never had a good QB, and you're messing wtih like 100 years of history if you think you're the guy who can fix that

Raiders - no qb and unless brady can turn it around, poor ownership

Cowboys - have to deal with jerrah

Jags - Probably the most interesting

 

I'm glad you posted this. As was mentioned upthread, Eberflus may or may not survive but it's entirely plausible that there'll be 7 openings this coming offseason.

 

10 hours ago, zow2 said:

In my opinion, Carr is a has been,  I wouldn't go to New Orleans unless they have some stud QB coming in.

 

To your point, the Saints are probably going to have a high draft pick and will likely take a QB. The other poor teams with a clear need at QB are the Raiders, Browns, Titans, and Giants.

 

The thing prospective Head Coaching candidates have to evaluate is the ownership group. Clearly Ben Johnson didn't think highly of the Washington ownership, likely because it was a brand new owner with no track record. Gayle Benson has owned the Saints since the her husband passed away in 2018. Mickey Loomis has run the football side for 20 years or so and is very well-respected.

 

Edited November 6 by Sierra Foothills

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Cray51 said:

The Saints should absolutely go with Ben Johnson at this point.  His offense has just produced a 6 game stretch that is incredible, and he would get something out of Carr and Kamara.

Do the Saints have a franchise QB?  

[Saxum]

For JEST you also have an interfering and incumbent owner.

 

For any position at one of the unstable and/or salary capped franchises the coach should be have enforceable demands in contract preventing dismissal for period of time with plans to correct franchise.  They should also be sure they can work with any GM currently on staff and have input on new GM if GM retires or is replaced.

 

And NO coach should want to be head coach of Browns.

2 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Do the Saints have a franchise QB?  

 

I think that depends on incoming head coach's view of Carr including his strengths and limitations.

7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

 

….but only with Brady. 

 

He’d have the most coaching wins in history already if he didn’t insist on being the GM. 

 

But if he was not GM he may have been fired if GM had ethics over his cheating and I do not believe he could have won as many games without cheating.

[FITZamishRIFLE]

Yelling, screaming too soon

[mannc]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

Do the Saints have a franchise QB?  

NO is a terrible job, right up there with Carolina last year…no QB, and in cap hell at least until 2026.

[DCofNC]

On 11/5/2024 at 11:49 AM, CincyBillsFan said:

The offensive skill player talent on the Lions is superior to the Bills and that is not debatable IMO.

 

 

As is the scheme.

[T master]

On 11/5/2024 at 10:07 AM, BillsFan619 said:

 

 

There are about 5 names on there you can just take off the list because it just ain't happening, and there are about another 4 or so that have much more experience as a HC in the NFL . I feel they will be chosen before Brady because he has no history as a HC and others have that and better results in that history .

Edited November 8 by T master

[Don Otreply]

Ownership dictates team success or lack there in, notice that the Commanders HC job was a fruitless endeavor until new ownership took over, coincidence? I think not.  No up and coming OC with a brain takes a HCing offer from an owner that is a proven knucklehead, it’s a dead end career move, that will take years to recover from, Joe Brady will be better served to wait for an ideal circumstance when he makes that move, He’ll he might end up as the Bills HC in a few years, ya never can tell…, 

[dma0034]

If I'm Brady I'm waiting until the right job with the right draft pick or QB becomes available. Ben Johnson is going to have his pick of HC jobs next year and he wisely went back with a stacked Lions team. I'm not sure he is looked at highly if he is currently the HC of the Panthers or Jets. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

If you can get Ben Johnson you do it!

 

Plus keeps him out of our division and conference.

[Big Turk]

Also reported that he is on the Bears shortlist of 4 candidates to be their next HC as well.

 

 

 

[Blank Stare]

Josh is, and will continue to be, a king maker. 

[peterpan]

That bears job may not be so bad for Brady.  They have some good offensive talent.  Hire Jim Schwartz as your DC and you’re all set lol

[Logic]

If we could just have our offensive coordinator for two or three seasons, that would be great.

It's crazy to watch Ben Johnson stick around in Detroit and Bobby Slowik stick around in Houston, but the Bills' OCs get poached.

Yes, I realize this is the reality of having a defensive minded head coach and a franchise QB. Our OCs will repeatedly get hired elsewhere after Allen has great seasons. But if it could not happen after just ONE SEASON, that would be freakin lovely.

Edited December 10 by Logic

[Comebackkid]

I worry who would replace him.  

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Blank Stare said:

Josh is, and will continue to be, a king maker. 

is there a kingmaker on the D?

[Mr. WEO]

not the Raiders?