Kansas City/Tampa Bay on Monday Night Football

[st pete gogolak]

TB not going for two. You knew they were toast as soon as they kicked the extra point.  After Davis scored with 13 seconds left, I really wanted the Bills to go for two.  Chiefs were reeling. Put a dagger in them. If successful, even McDermott and Frazier aren’t going to give up a TD in 13 seconds. If unsuccessful, maybe the mind is focused and Bass doesn’t kick it into the end zone, maybe the safeties aren’t playing 30 yards deep, maybe Hill doesn’t run for 20 yards before encountering a Bills defender.  Sorry, but if you have a chance to beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead by going for two at the end of the game, do it!!

[Sojourner]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

I said in a thread earlier this year during a KC game the opposing team should just have an intern follow the sideline ref around and scream "THE RIGHT TACKLE IS MOVING EARLY!!!!" directly into his earhole for every KC offensive play

That’s the only thing that I really have a problem with whenever I watch that team play. How they don’t call that false start on Taylor on the play to Kelce is mind boggling.

 

Are they a good team? Yes. Absolutely. But the amount of calls that get missed in key moments is absurd. The calls in defining moments rarely if ever go against them but frequently and more often than not go for them.  
 

The Worthy catch early in the game was called good initially but on the replay both of his feet were out of bounds. It might have been close but come on….

[Shaw66]

33 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Missed in all of the commentary on the reality that the Chiefs are undefeated is how they're just barely winning these games. There's definitely something lacking there. I find it hard to believe they can keep it up.

DHop will change that.  They are going to be dynamic on offense now.  Worthy deep, DHop all over, and Kelce finding openings as the DBs chase the other two. I think the Chiefs will be explosive. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

KC was also the only team to have a TD taken off the board last postseason, and it happened twice.
 

Overall, they’ve been one of the most penalized teams in the league since Mahomes became the starting QB. 

 

The logical conclusion is that refs are inconsistent. Which everyone already knows, but it tends to be forgotten whenever a call goes the Chiefs’ way.
 

 

The logical conclusion after watching the chiefs OTs hold in the playoffs and never get called for ONE is that there’s something fishy going on

[Shaw66]

17 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

TB not going for two. You knew they were toast as soon as they kicked the extra point.  After Davis scored with 13 seconds left, I really wanted the Bills to go for two.  Chiefs were reeling. Put a dagger in them. If successful, even McDermott and Frazier aren’t going to give up a TD in 13 seconds. If unsuccessful, maybe the mind is focused and Bass doesn’t kick it into the end zone, maybe the safeties aren’t playing 30 yards deep, maybe Hill doesn’t run for 20 yards before encountering a Bills defender.  Sorry, but if you have a chance to beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead by going for two at the end of the game, do it!!

I don't know about 13 seconds, but last night for sure. Coin toss is 50-50, and Chiefs probability of getting the TD on the first possession is higher than the Bucs.  That means the chances that you win the game in overtime are less than 50-50.  I'd guess that the Bucs chances of making the two-point conversion are better than 50%.  That means your chances of winning the game are better going for 2. 

 

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[DaBillsFanSince1973]

38 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

DHop will change that.  They are going to be dynamic on offense now.  Worthy deep, DHop all over, and Kelce finding openings as the DBs chase the other two. I think the Chiefs will be explosive. 

👑👑👑

 

triple crown!!!

[Billsatlastin2018]

55 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

I said in a thread earlier this year during a KC game the opposing team should just have an intern follow the sideline ref around and scream "THE RIGHT TACKLE IS MOVING EARLY!!!!" directly into his earhole for every KC offensive play

On Bills- Chiefs Game Day:

If I was Bills Mafia, I would have a huge blowup/two made of him and get as close to the CBS truck early on in tailgating.

 

With a sign on it saying:

“This guy cheats on almost EVERY play!

Why do ALL NFL Refs ignore calling a Penalty?”

 

That way, it gets to the Announcers in a public manner.

[Ray Stonada]

46 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

DHop will change that.  They are going to be dynamic on offense now.  Worthy deep, DHop all over, and Kelce finding openings as the DBs chase the other two. I think the Chiefs will be explosive. 

 

Sadly, I agree. It looks like Hopkins opens up space for everyone on the Chiefs the way Cooper did for us, in his first game.

[Just Jack]

For those that watched the game, and may have been switching networks, did you notice a lag in the feed?  I was on a plane, I was watching the ESPN2 feed, the guy in the row ahead of me had his on ESPN.  My feed was over a minute ahead of his.  I checked ABC also, and their feed also was ahead of ESPN.  Switched to ESPN to see if maybe it was just something funky with his TV, but nope.  My ESPN synced up with his.  Switched back to ESPN2, and same thing, it was over a minute ahead.  Just curious if it's because I was on a plane and not on cable/OTA. 

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The logical conclusion after watching the chiefs OTs hold in the playoffs and never get called for ONE is that there’s something fishy going on

 

So they'll take TDs off the board and negate turnovers, but won't call holding?

[Sojourner]

35 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

On Bills- Chiefs Game Day:

If I was Bills Mafia, I would have a huge blowup/two made of him and get as close to the CBS truck early on in tailgating.

 

With a sign on it saying:

“This guy cheats on almost EVERY play!

Why do ALL NFL Refs ignore calling a Penalty?”

 

That way, it gets to the Announcers in a public manner.

Joe Buck, for all the ball washing him and Aikman do, actually referenced it twice. Right after the play and during the relay. He was amazed that Taylor didn’t get called. 
 

When these announcers call it out it’s a serious problem. 
 

I’ve not seen a guy, for multiple seasons now, move from his stance or line up incorrectly as much as Taylor has. It’s like it’s such an egregious problem with him that they refuse to call it as it’s “just the norm’…”

 

It takes it away from the game. That opening game; Chiefs/Ravens tells you all you need to know. That first week they were calling those illegal formation & false start penalties left and right. Especially the kickoff game. 
 

I, personally, feel the league stepped in a said to the NFLRA to dial it back as not to “ruin” the on-field product. 

[Livinginthepast]

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

That’s the only thing that I really have a problem with whenever I watch that team play. How they don’t call that false start on Taylor on the play to Kelce is mind boggling.

 

Are they a good team? Yes. Absolutely. But the amount of calls that get missed in key moments is absurd. The calls in defining moments rarely if ever go against them but frequently and more often than not go for them.  
 

The Worthy catch early in the game was called good initially but on the replay both of his feet were out of bounds. It might have been close but come on….

The standard of officiating has been declining for more than 20 years in the NFL and even with replay and now "Eye in the Sky", they still cannot get it right.  One of the calls vs TB for holding in the first half was obviously a guess. Like many holding calls, there was nothing obvious about it even in slow mo, let alone in real time from an official on the field. So why call that penalty?  If the NFL doesn't want to introduce a coach's challenge for bad penalties, then they should overturn BS penalties with the eye in the sky or call missed ones when they are egregious like Darnold's facemask a couple of weeks ago.

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

TB not going for two. You knew they were toast as soon as they kicked the extra point.  After Davis scored with 13 seconds left, I really wanted the Bills to go for two.  Chiefs were reeling. Put a dagger in them. If successful, even McDermott and Frazier aren’t going to give up a TD in 13 seconds. If unsuccessful, maybe the mind is focused and Bass doesn’t kick it into the end zone, maybe the safeties aren’t playing 30 yards deep, maybe Hill doesn’t run for 20 yards before encountering a Bills defender.  Sorry, but if you have a chance to beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead by going for two at the end of the game, do it!!

 

I don’t understand why teams haven’t learned yet.

Against KC, just go for broke. Go for 4th downs, go for 2 points, fake punts, etc. 

 

* Unless you have Allen. Then you don’t take him off the field to fake a punt.

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

The standard of officiating has been declining for more than 20 years in the NFL and even with replay and now "Eye in the Sky", they still cannot get it right.  One of the calls vs TB for holding in the first half was obviously a guess. Like many holding calls, there was nothing obvious about it even in slow mo, let alone in real time from an official on the field. So why call that penalty?  If the NFL doesn't want to introduce a coach's challenge for bad penalties, then they should overturn BS penalties with the eye in the sky or call missed ones when they are egregious like Darnold's facemask a couple of weeks ago.

Eye in the sky should help on all 15 yard penalties.  They called TB for an offensive face mask when in fact it was a simple holding of the shoulder pad.  In a tight game that 5 yard difference is a big deal.

 

An eye in the sky assist would have corrected the egregious miss of a clear Face Mask in the Vikings game and would have overturned the penalty on Rapp in Sunday's game.

 

 

 

 

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

On Bills- Chiefs Game Day:

If I was Bills Mafia, I would have a huge blowup/two made of him and get as close to the CBS truck early on in tailgating.

 

With a sign on it saying:

“This guy cheats on almost EVERY play!

Why do ALL NFL Refs ignore calling a Penalty?”

 

That way, it gets to the Announcers in a public manner.

The announcers never criticized the refs when they looked the other way during Hulk Hogans 4 year run as WWF champ.

 

So I suspect this won’t work.

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Missed in all of the commentary on the reality that the Chiefs are undefeated is how they're just barely winning these games. There's definitely something lacking there. I find it hard to believe they can keep it up.

They’re absolutely not going undefeated. Even if they don’t lose any games they’re going to rest people as soon as the #1 seed is locked. However, come playoffs this version of KC would be tough to beat. Great defense that can limit opponents’ possessions paired with a methodical offense that eats up T.O.P.  If they weren’t hit with the injury bug this year it would not be a fun season for the rest of us. Don’t be fooled by how ‘beatable’ they seem to look. 

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

DHop will change that.  They are going to be dynamic on offense now.  Worthy deep, DHop all over, and Kelce finding openings as the DBs chase the other two. I think the Chiefs will be explosive. 

You may be right. This was the offense they envisioned this year by signing Hollywood Brown and drafting Worthy to go with Rice and Pacheco. Injuries curtailed that plan but it seems Hunt and Dhop are filling in nicely for them. 

[TBBills Fan]

16 minutes ago, US Egg said:

The announcers never criticized the refs when they looked the other way during Hulk Hogans 4 year run as WWF champ.

 

So I suspect this won’t work.

NWO Hogan or Real American Hogan?

[US Egg]

1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

NWO Hogan or Real American Hogan?

Let’s not get silly with this…..Real American Hogan. 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

So they'll take TDs off the board and negate turnovers, but won't call holding?

Didn’t they get a TD called back in the AFCCG because of holding?

 

Refs are just bad across the board but it is annoying when it favors KC. 

[TBBills Fan]

15 minutes ago, US Egg said:

Let’s not get silly with this…..Real American Hogan.