SI Article on Bills Successful Re-load

[K-9]

2 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

Allen is discussed plenty in the article.

 

I personally believe this prevailing attitude that only the QB matters and everything else just falls into place is nonsense. It takes a village, even when you have a QB.

 

Plenty of good quarterbacks have crappy years on bad teams. Chicken or the egg scenario.

I think the prevailing attitude is you can have the best village in the land, but it don’t mean much if you don’t have a great QB to lead it. 

[balln]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

If only ... 

 

I'll join Mikie2times at his dinner table if that happens.  

 

Here's the thing, you say that as if it's been close when it hasn't even gotten a sniff, and the primary reason why it hasn't is for the thing you're defending.  

That makes no sense.  

 

 

Hes my date! 
 

That Cincy performance at home was utterly catastrophic. All on the coaches. Both coordinators. And HC completely OWNED. And THAT was the game that set diggs off into self destruct mode. 
 

:13 seconds is inexplicably horrible bc it was 3 , not 1 or 2 but 3 in row bad decisions. 1) not having a ST strategy / or not communicating whatever the hell he tried to cover up with 2) soft ass zone Kelce play that Kelce was screaming out in the open - they won’t cover this 3) tyreke play - similar plan 

 

and he called timeouts in between!

 

but I’ve forgiven him. Not forgotten tho.

 

anyone notice he’s getting a little snotty at the podium? Last game he talked about “the media” thinks that he “doesn’t play young guys?” And then he went on and on and on about bass and faith and a sob story… my god. Tomlin would have spent 5 seconds. BB 1 second “he made a big kick.” Andy Reid same. 
 

 

[PBF81]

17 minutes ago, notpolian said:

Yep it's all about the postseason.  Regular season success is much better than failure, but it's necessary, not sufficient. 

 

I think McDermott can prepare the team well, motivate them, and makes good in-game adjustments.  But he is poor/mediocre at in-game decisions.  His defensive philosophy is not compatible with postseason success (too dependent on zone, overemphasis on DL penetration vs. clogging lanes and power).

 

I think Beane tends to overpay for ok/good players at times (Oliver, Knox, Bass, maybe the tackles) and hasn't drafted enough difference making WR, OL, safeties and DL to push us over the top. Obviously he hit the home run on QB.

 

I'm not an advocate of replacing the current regime unless you can get someone with a proven record of success.  They almost doesn't exist outside of the Dark Lord of Foxboro, which ain't happening.  We've got what we've got, which is better than 75% of the NFL. I fear it'll never get us to the promised land, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

Well, it really has to do with matching talent with strategy.  

 

We all know that McD is good with defenses, but the clear and unarguable strength of our team is not on the defensive side.  His solution is to get more and more junior and inexperienced people to handle that part of the team.  

 

Does that make sense to you?  IDK, maybe it does.  

 

As to Beane, consider, we draft Kincaid in round 1 last year.  His snap counts are in the 60s.  LaPorta's are 79% this year and 83% last year.  

 

Kelce's snap count %s have been over 80% in 9 of the last 10 seasons, over 90 in four.  

 

Brock Bowers 79%.  

George Kittle pretty evenly around 90% since he's been in the league.  

McBride, not even a 1st-round draft pick, 89% this year.  

 

It stands to reason that your 1st round draft picks get up there in snap count %.  Otherwise what's the point of drafting them in the 1st, trade the 1st for more 2nds and/or 3rds.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, balln said:

Hes my date! 
 

That Cincy performance at home was utterly catastrophic. All on the coaches. Both coordinators. And HC completely OWNED. And THAT was the game that set diggs off into self destruct mode. 
 

:13 seconds is inexplicably horrible bc it was 3 , not 1 or 2 but 3 in row bad decisions. 1) not having a ST strategy / or not communicating whatever the hell he tried to cover up with 2) soft ass zone Kelce play that Kelce was screaming out in the open - they won’t cover this 3) tyreke play - similar plan 

 

and he called timeouts in between!

 

but I’ve forgiven him. Not forgotten tho.

 

anyone notice he’s getting a little snotty at the podium? Last game he talked about “the media” thinks that he “doesn’t play young guys?” And then he went on and on and on about bass and faith and a sob story… my god. Tomlin would have spent 5 seconds. BB 1 second “he made a big kick.” Andy Reid same. 
 

 

 

We'll turn it into a dinner party then.  We'll make one of those old Miller Lite commercials with it.   

 

No argument on the rest.  No one's going to care that we dust NE twice, the Jets again, the Colts, and Rams, none of whom can score more points than they allow.  That's fully expected.  It's going to come down to the three games vs. KC, the Niners, and Detroit.  

 

 

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[DrMaxPower]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I think the prevailing attitude is you can have the best village in the land, but it don’t mean much if you don’t have a great QB to lead it. 

 

I don't really disagree but I also don't think that's mutually exclusive from my statement.

 

QBs without a village fail. They don't put the village on their back and carry them to success. It's half the reason you see the Darnolds and Geno Smiths of the world.

 

 

[balln]

Yup the Kincaid pick is truly disappointing. He definitely has the talent. 
 

I don’t know. I think we’re making it super complicated with all the subbing / and formation changes. Prob part of the reason we have a lot of pre snap penalties. If he’s a matchup nightmare ….. ugh … where is it? 
 

All of his big plays are usually

on Allen off script plays. 
 

When are we going to see him have A GAME. Like 10 catches 100+ and 2TDs.
 

i don’t see any double moves from our receivers. It’s one cut/ simple pattern. 

[appoo]

3 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills-bond-on-and-off-the-field-paying-dividends-afc-east

 

Good article on the foundations that have allowed the Bills to reload instead of rebuild.

 

I think sometimes we are too close to the situation to fully appreciate what we have. For as much as people want to crap on McD, he's one of the best in the league and we'd be hard pressed to replace him with somebody equal, let alone an improvement.

I mean I've been a Bills fans since the mid 80s. Having gone through what I've gone through, watched other franchises struggle with relevancy....build a damn statue of McDermott and as long as he's got this culture going he can stay forever as he cycles through various coordinators. 

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, appoo said:

I mean I've been a Bills fans since the mid 80s. Having gone through what I've gone through, watched other franchises struggle with relevancy....build a damn statue of McDermott and as long as he's got this culture going he can stay forever as he cycles through various coordinators. 

 

We've also never had a generational talent at QB either.  

 

Perhaps the statue should be of Allen instead.  

 

It's pretty obvious that if you polled people, what the choice would be.  

 

 

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[appoo]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

We've also never had a generational talent at QB either.  

 

Perhaps the statue should be of Allen instead.  

 

It's pretty obvious that if you polled people, what the choice would be.  

 

 

The man broke the playoff curse with Tyrod Taylor at QB

And he got 6 wins out of this roster

And then won 10 games and took a Houston team with an MVP level QB to OT with a pre-leap Allen with this roster

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

The man broke the playoff curse with Tyrod Taylor at QB

 

He also did less with Taylor than his predecessor did.  An easy schedule broke the playoff curse along with Dalton/Boyd.  

 

If you're going to be honest, we scored fewer points that season, notably so, than in the six prior seasons and than in all but 7 of the drought era teams.  Our point differential was -57, worse than all but 6 of the drought era teams.  

 

Either way, if you want to defend his postseason performances, more power to you.  That's a minority position that quite frankly isn't very defensible.  That's the core of the debate.  

 

 

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

He also did less with Taylor than his predecessor did.  An easy schedule broke the playoff curse along with Dalton/Boyd.  

 

If you're going to be honest, we scored fewer points that season, notably so, than in the six prior seasons and than in all but 7 of the drought era teams.  Our point differential was -57, worse than all but 6 of the drought era teams.  

 

Either way, if you want to defend his postseason performances, more power to you.  That's a minority position that quite frankly isn't very defensible.  That's the core of the debate.  

 

 

He's never lost to a team in the playoffs that had less talent than the Bills

[balln]

10 minutes ago, appoo said:

The man broke the playoff curse with Tyrod Taylor at QB

And he got 6 wins out of this roster

And then won 10 games and took a Houston team with an MVP level QB to OT with a pre-leap Allen with this roster

That’s a loser take right there. Do NOT GAF what he did w those crappy

teams. Every year “coach of the year” gets awarded to a guy w a similar “accomplishment.”

 

I care about championships and greatness. the analogy is. Allen goes toe to toe with mahommes and wins. Mcd watches Allen go toe to toe and then watches his D and ST fail vs Reid 

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[appoo]

7 minutes ago, balln said:

That’s a loser take right there. Do NOT GAF what he did w those crappy

teams. Every year “coach of the year” gets awarded to a guy w a similar “accomplishment.”

 

the analogy is. Allen goes toe to toe with mahommes and wins. Mcd watches Allen go toe to toe and then watches his D and ST fail vs Reid 

The Bills have played in exactly 2 coin flip games when the roster talent was about even. 

 

The Bills beat Lamar Jackson and the Ravens in the divisional round. 
The Bill lost to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs in the divisional round. 

 

Every other game was the expected result based on talent + injuries. 

 

It's not his fault that people don't seem to want to agree that Talent + Availability is the biggest differentiator between winning and losing in the playoffs, and the people tend to overrate the talent of their own teams.

 

The vast majority of winning a SB is luck of the draw in how the talent you get in the draft turns elite. What you CAN control is player culture leading to player development leading to player performance. 

 

The Bills have an excellent track record in player development and performance. The 10% non-luck reasons for the Bills not winning or making a super bowl can be pinned down to Beane's FA/Draft choices, McDermott end of game situational coaching, his choice in coordinators and position coaches, and honestly mostly just the other team

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[Mikie2times]

12 minutes ago, appoo said:

The man broke the playoff curse with Tyrod Taylor at QB

And he got 6 wins out of this roster

And then won 10 games and took a Houston team with an MVP level QB to OT with a pre-leap Allen with this roster

Oh geez. If it wasn't for Andy Dalton you would be remembering Rex Ryan the year prior with a better point differential. We lucked into breaking the drought with a -57 point differential and then coughed up a win in Houston the next year getting outscored 19-6 in the second half.  If you want to make an argument for McD being a program starter that's fine. The argument at this point is if he is a program finisher. Which he has proved to be about as far from as any coach since Marty Schottenheimer.  

 

8 minutes ago, appoo said:

He's never lost to a team in the playoffs that had less talent than the Bills

If that's your take, who is responsible for the Bills talent?

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Oh geez. If it wasn't for Andy Dalton you would be remembering Rex Ryan the year prior with a better point differential. We lucked into breaking the drought with a -57 point differential and then coughed up a win in Houston the next year getting outscored 19-6 in the second half.  If you want to make an argument for McD being a program starter that's fine. The argument at this point is if he is a program finisher. Which he has proved to be about as far from as any coach since Marty Schottenheimer.  

 

I mean that's judging by cliche

[balln]

6 minutes ago, appoo said:

The Bills have played in exactly 2 coin flip games when the roster talent was about even. 

 

The Bills beat Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. 
The Bill lose to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. 

 

Every other game was the expected result based on talent + injuries. 

 

It's not his fault that people don't seem to want to agree that Talent is the biggest differentiator between winning and losing in the playoffs, and the people tend to overrate the talent of their own teams.

 

The vast majority of winning a SB is luck of the draw in how the talent you get in the draft turns elite. 

The Giants super bowl

win was 100

bb and parcels owning marv and the bills.

Bills were way more talented 

 

I do agree with you. I don’t think the bills are generally as talented as kc. The :13 second game was total coach blunder tho

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[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

I mean that's judging by cliche

Super Bowl era coaches .600 or better in the regular season and never been to a Super Bowl. 

 

Marty, Sean, LeFleur

 

That is the entire list in almost 60 years of Super Bowl era football. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Mikie2times

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, appoo said:

He's never lost to a team in the playoffs that had less talent than the Bills

 

To start, that's incredibly debatable.  I'd argue that we had equal or greater talent than some of them.  The Jags, Houston, and Cincy.  Houston had Hopkins on offense, that's about it.  The Jags, what, Bortles and Fournette?  Seriously?   Arguably, our defenses have had more talent than all of them.  

 

And the ones he's beaten we've had notably more talent than they did.  

 

QBs alone:  Allen vs. Mac Jones, Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph, Rivers at 39, and playoff chokemaster Jackson.  

 

 

11 minutes ago, appoo said:

The Bills have played in exactly 2 coin flip games when the roster talent was about even. 

 

The Bills beat Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. 
The Bill lose to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. 

 

Every other game was the expected result based on talent + injuries. 

 

It's not his fault that people don't seem to want to agree that Talent is the biggest differentiator between winning and losing in the playoffs, and the people tend to overrate the talent of their own teams.

 

The vast majority of winning a SB is luck of the draw in how the talent you get in the draft turns elite. What you CAN control is player culture leading to player development leading to player performance. 

 

The Bills have an excellent track record in player development and performance. The 10% non-luck reasons for the Bills not winning or making a super bowl can be pinned down to Beane's FA/Draft choices, McDermott end of game situational coaching, his choice in coordinators and position coaches, and honestly mostly just the other team

 

I envy your ability to defend his playoff performances.  

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Super Bowl era coaches .600 or better in the regular season and never been to a Super Bowl. 

 

Marty, Sean, LeFleur

 

That is the entire list in almost 60 years of Super Bowl era football. 

He is the modern era Schottenheimer  

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

He is the modern era Schottenheimer  

 

Except neither of Schottie's QBs or Defenses were as good as McD's.  

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

I mean I've been a Bills fans since the mid 80s. Having gone through what I've gone through, watched other franchises struggle with relevancy....build a damn statue of McDermott and as long as he's got this culture going he can stay forever as he cycles through various coordinators. 

 

BTW, the implication is that he'd be doing this without Allen.  

 

If he had the QBs of the drought era, do you think he would be?