On to Indy

[Dan]

53 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Even without Pittman the Colts have some interesting pieces in the passing game. Josh Downs, Alec Pierce, Mo Ali-Cox... Adonai Mitchell should see more playing time...

 

 

Yes, it definitely is a trap game...

 

(runs around the corner and hides)

 

 

 

That maybe, despite what some posters say, we don’t have the worst WRs and starting safeties on the league.  

[mannc]

10 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Wait? What? We have Samuel for 3 years?! Wow— what a mistake. 

Dead cap walking...

[finn]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Dead cap walking...

There's got to be a use for the guy besides going in motion. Hell, my niece could do that. How about a reverse, a direct snap (remember Kenneth Davis?), or any other gadget plays I thought he was brought here to do? Even McKittrick brought some value. Why have him on the field if he's doing nothing?

 

I wonder if Brady designs a play for Samuel then thinks, "You know, Cook [or Davis or Keon or Shakir or Gilliam or his niece] could do that better..." 

[Coffeesforclosers]

13 hours ago, GottaRun said:

My last word on this, we’re going to the playoffs with or without this win.  Getting everyone healthy has more value to me than an extra home game.

 

We play who we play, shouldn’t be afraid of anyone.

 

This can't be emphasized enough.  We could win the AFC east @ 9-8 or 10-7 with how dog**** Miami, New Jersey and New England are.

 

Were it up to me, I'd sit the starters, Josh included, the day we clinch and let the Seeds fall where they may. Let guys get healthy, stop putting stuff on film.

[MikePJ76]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Huh?  You were worried about making this trade because you were worried about WRs getting hurt? 

 

I think he knows how to use him….but he’d rather use Shakir on those plays.  And he’s trying to find different ways to use samuel, but both he and Samuel have failed to execute

I pretty clearly stated the day they trade for Coleman that a top 100 third round pick was to much for a half season rental even with the low cap number.

 

my worry as I stated and was thumbed down about 100 times was that he is a always hurt nagging injury guy.  I was concerned he would get here get some injury and not practice and maybe miss games.

 

people don’t realize all his time in Dallas he had nagging injuries causing him to miss practice all the time which drove the staff nuts because they weren’t sure if he was going to play, he usually did.  In Dallas he had rib, ankle, foot, hamstring injuries and a concussion.  He was not the same player week to week.  
 

now he has been in Buffalo a month and he is about to miss his second game and did nothing in one other game.  I understand they traded him to help in the postseason so they will live with this.  I just think a third round pick was too much.  The fact that he immediately got hurt is a double whammy for me.  Hopefully he is great in the playoffs

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, finn said:

There's got to be a use for the guy besides going in motion. Hell, my niece could do that. How about a reverse, a direct snap (remember Kenneth Davis?), or any other gadget plays I thought he was brought here to do? Even McKittrick brought some value. Why have him on the field if he's doing nothing?

 

I wonder if Brady designs a play for Samuel then thinks, "You know, Cook [or Davis or Keon or Shakir or Gilliam or his niece] could do that better..." 

At this stage, i wonder if it doesn't have more to do with Samuel's chemistry with Allen?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

33 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I pretty clearly stated the day they trade for Coleman that a top 100 third round pick was to much for a half season rental even with the low cap number.

 

my worry as I stated and was thumbed down about 100 times was that he is a always hurt nagging injury guy.  I was concerned he would get here get some injury and not practice and maybe miss games.

 

people don’t realize all his time in Dallas he had nagging injuries causing him to miss practice all the time which drove the staff nuts because they weren’t sure if he was going to play, he usually did.  In Dallas he had rib, ankle, foot, hamstring injuries and a concussion.  He was not the same player week to week.  
 

now he has been in Buffalo a month and he is about to miss his second game and did nothing in one other game.  I understand they traded him to help in the postseason so they will live with this.  I just think a third round pick was too much.  The fact that he immediately got hurt is a double whammy for me.  Hopefully he is great in the playoffs

 

It's football. Did he play on Sunday's and produce? Of course he did.

[finn]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

At this stage, i wonder if it doesn't have more to do with Samuel's chemistry with Allen?

Good point. Brady could be dialing him up and Allen is either changing the play or looking at his other reads. I wonder what the all-22 would say. Is he not getting open? The few times I've noticed him, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to get open, like MVS. Just jogging out there. But that's a very limited sample. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Sierra Foothills]

This from The Athletic:

 

"While the Bills offense may be a bit shorthanded, the defense will have to contend with a Colts offensive line that can win with physicality, and one of the most talented running backs in the league in Jonathan Taylor. The Colts have a talented offensive line that plays well together, and excellent left tackle Bernhard Raimann appears to be on track to play after missing last week with a concussion. As they failed to do last week at the line of scrimmage, the Bills defensive line has to win that battle far more often this week to deal with this collective group."

 

[HappyDays]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Safety a "slight advantage"? Just Reid is a very good safety and Bryan Cook has been really consistent for them as a second round pick. That is a massive advantage. The Bills have the worst starting safeties in the NFL, the fact they haven't sunk our season is because they are well coached.

And KC's linebackers actually play their responsibilities rather than having a guy running around like a spinning top in Dorian. I think Dlines are close except for they have a stud and we don't and with their injuries I might give us the edge at corner (especially boundary corner). 

 

 

I don't know how much stock you put in PFF (frankly I don't know how much stock I put it in either). This season they have Rapp and Hamlin graded as 66.3 and 61.4. They have Reid and Cook graded as 66.2 and 59.2. I'm sure Reid and Cook are given more difficult assignments which puts their grades on a higher curve. Still it is not a stark difference IMO. Since safety and LB are devalued positions, there would need to be a massive talent gap there for me to give anything more than a slight advantage to either side.

 

The post I responded to said the Chiefs defense is "much much more talented" than the Bills defense. I don't agree with that characterization. They have a 1 of 1 talent which gives them a distinct advantage automatically. Other than him I would say the rest of the units are of fairly even talent. If you took Chris Jones away and asked every defensive coach which roster they'd rather have I'm not sure either side would win in a rout. Spagnuolo's scheme is the other distinct advantage that they have IMO. His blitz packages have given our offense fits. I can't remember a time that we did the same to them.

[DapperCam]

Allen needs a 300+ yard, 4 TD game to keep pace with the MVP pack. Gonna be tough with these WR.

[DaVinci]

2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The Colts have a talented offensive line that plays well together,

To bad their center is out.

[Beast]

6 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

This can't be emphasized enough.  We could win the AFC east @ 9-8 or 10-7 with how dog**** Miami, New Jersey and New England are.

 

Were it up to me, I'd sit the starters, Josh included, the day we clinch and let the Seeds fall where they may. Let guys get healthy, stop putting stuff on film.

Yeah, and they’ll be super sharp I’m sure in their first playoff game.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know how much stock you put in PFF (frankly I don't know how much stock I put it in either). This season they have Rapp and Hamlin graded as 66.3 and 61.4. They have Reid and Cook graded as 66.2 and 59.2. I'm sure Reid and Cook are given more difficult assignments which puts their grades on a higher curve. Still it is not a stark difference IMO. Since safety and LB are devalued positions, there would need to be a massive talent gap there for me to give anything more than a slight advantage to either side.

 

The post I responded to said the Chiefs defense is "much much more talented" than the Bills defense. I don't agree with that characterization. They have a 1 of 1 talent which gives them a distinct advantage automatically. Other than him I would say the rest of the units are of fairly even talent. If you took Chris Jones away and asked every defensive coach which roster they'd rather have I'm not sure either side would win in a rout. Spagnuolo's scheme is the other distinct advantage that they have IMO. His blitz packages have given our offense fits. I can't remember a time that we did the same to them.

 

Yea the reason Hamlin and Rapp are grading reaaonably is the Bills are protecting them with everything else they are doing on defense and some really clever coaching. 

 

I'd take the Chiefs defensive talent over the current Bills defensive talent 100 times out of 100 in an instant. Go back 3 years it would be the other way round. But our guys aged out and they built a really solid young D through the draft to add to their one stud in Jones. I'd actually take the Bills offensive talent over the Chiefs right now if we take Hollywood and Rice as gone for the year.

Edited November 9 by GunnerBill

[Rocky Landing]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the reason Hamlin and Rapp are grading reaaonably is the Bills are protecting them with everything else they are doing on defense and some really clever coaching. 

 

I'd take the Chiefs defensive talent over the current Bills defensive talent 100 timed out of 100 in an instant. Go back 3 years it would be the other way round. But our guys aged out and they built a really solid young D through the draft to add to their one stud in Jones. I'd actually take the Bills offensive talent over the Chiefs right now if we take Hollywood and Rice as gone for the year.

You’ve been quite vocal about the sorry state of our safety room dating back to before training camp. But I have to imagine that they have (especially Rapp) exceeded your very low expectations?

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

You’ve been quite vocal about the sorry state of our safety room dating back to before training camp. But I have to imagine that they have (especially Rapp) exceeded your very low expectations?

 

Rapp very slightly. I would say he has just about scraped replacement level play. That is a tick better than I'd have predicted. He is still out of position plenty and a reckless tackler though. The rest have been bad and the Bills are doing so much schematically to to protect them that it is hurting other elements of the defense.

[NyQuil]

If Cooper misses this game the only reason not to retroactively IR him is hope for the chiefs game.

[Process]

Are PS call ups due by 4pm today? No WR would be a good sign. 

[CNYfan]

89 was called up