An attempt to look objectively at the Dawkins and Cybo holding calls according to the rules -

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, FLFan said:

There are at least ten uncalled holding calls per game worse than these.  

 

And I would even suggest that is an incredibly self-restrained and conservative estimate.

[Beach]

these things used to be the reason we lost the game, times are better now that we can overcome those

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Inside or outside hand position does not matter:

 

“Use his hands or arms to materially restrict or alter the defender’s path or angle of pursuit. It is a foul regardless of whether the blocker’s hands are inside or outside the frame of the defender’s body. “

 

The question is did he “grab” and did he materially alter the defenders path? 

 

 

 

 

I mean, Bill, maybe he did, but that kind of thing happens on almost every play, you could bet on it.  And usually, it's not called unless it's really egregious.

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Both calls were ridiculous.  Dawkins got called because the ref probably thought the only way he could have had Robinson fall like that is if he held him.

 

That happens to Dawkins.  He gets penalized for being a Beast.

[peterpan]

I’d love to see a comparison to the non-call for holding on Oliver on the 4th down scramble by Tua in the 4th.  Looked like the type of call that they make against us on ever big run.

 

i check YouTube but it continently didn’t make the highlight reel 

 

[peterpan]

6 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I’d love to see a comparison to the non-call for holding on Oliver on the 4th down scramble by Tua in the 4th.  Looked like the type of call that they make against us on ever big run.

 

i check YouTube but it continently didn’t make the highlight reel 

 

Haha I found it.  And it’s so much worse than I remember.  It’s a terrible, obvious hold for the entire play. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/tua-s-fourth-down-scramble-and-dive-is-enough-for-first-down-yardage

[Orlando Buffalo]

I don't believe it is the same crew but I need someone to explain how you defend this Chief non call and the call on Torrance without stating complete incompetence on one or the other.

 

[0017]

8 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I don't believe it is the same crew but I need someone to explain how you defend this Chief non call and the call on Torrance without stating complete incompetence on one or the other.

 

[BearNorth]

43 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Haha I found it.  And it’s so much worse than I remember.  It’s a terrible, obvious hold for the entire play. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/tua-s-fourth-down-scramble-and-dive-is-enough-for-first-down-yardage

Would it open Pandora's box if a replay is requested and there is a pretty obvious penalty that affected the play then the sky judge lets the ref know?

[julian]

All major fouls and any penalties that remove points off the board should be reviewable in some form or fashion.

[Comebackkid]

looked like if anyone was holding it was brown...he had jersey in his hands clenched

[BigAl2526]

The old axiom is that refs could call and offensive hold on every play, but these were both very weak calls, and for it to happen on consecutive plays is inexcusable.  I assume the Bills will point this out to the league and lodge a complaint.  

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, peterpan said:

Haha I found it.  And it’s so much worse than I remember.  It’s a terrible, obvious hold for the entire play. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/tua-s-fourth-down-scramble-and-dive-is-enough-for-first-down-yardage

It makes me sick to see that.  I have no doubt that the NFL told the refs not to call a holding penalty on Miami when it involved protecting Tua.  Call me a conspiracy nut but there is no way the league wants to see Tua withering on the turf. I will be real curious going forward to see how many flags for holding are called going forward on Tua pass plays.