An attempt to look objectively at the Dawkins and Cybo holding calls according to the rules -

[CaseyatBat]

The holding wasn’t on Dawkins. They just announced the number wrong. The flag was thrown for Torrence, who did hold right in front of the QB

 

watch it again

 

much ado about nothing since it was the right call, although yes they should’ve gotten the number right to avoid confusion

 

 

Edited November 5 by CaseyatBat

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

17 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

What is shrimp cocktail at Elmo's?? 

Elmo's is a very popular downtown steakhouse that is within easy walking distance to the stadium.  They are known for their shrimp cocktail with its spicy cocktail sauce.  If you are ever in Indy and have the time, it's well worth going there.  When the NFL combine is going on in the city, you can frequently see the who's who in the NFL.

[oldmanfan]

34 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Elmo's is a very popular downtown steakhouse that is within easy walking distance to the stadium.  They are known for their shrimp cocktail with its spicy cocktail sauce.  If you are ever in Indy and have the time, it's well worth going there.  When the NFL combine is going on in the city, you can frequently see the who's who in the NFL.

I live outside Indy.  Shrimp cocktail sauce at St. Elmo’s is essentially fresh grated horseradish with just enough ketchup to make it a faint red color.  Tremendous.

[Saxum]

 

[NewEra]

On 11/5/2024 at 7:56 AM, CaseyatBat said:

The holding wasn’t on Dawkins. They just announced the number wrong. The flag was thrown for Torrence, who did hold right in front of the QB

 

watch it again

 

much ado about nothing since it was the right call, although yes they should’ve gotten the number right to avoid confusion

 

 

The below is the play.  Maybe this view doesn’t show it the hold on Torrance…. But it certainly doesn’t look like a hold on him from this video

3 minutes ago, Saxum said:

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The below is the play.  Maybe this view doesn’t show it the hold on Torrance…. But it certainly doesn’t look like a hold on him from this video

 

Thanks. Definitely not a hold on Dawkins, and I agree that this doesn't show a hold on Torrence either. It's possible that he was grabbing the guy's shirt, which we could see from this angle, and the official could. However, it has to impede the player held, and it didn't. Torrence is carrying on with the execution of his block, moving his feet with defender and pushing with his arms. 

 

One of the most difficult thing for officials in any sport to do is to be disciplined about only calling the foul when the official actually sees it. What happens with the poorer official is that they see something happen that looks like the aftermath of a foul (like the defense lineman unable to get off the blocker when the lineman changes direction). I think that's what happened here. The lineman is turning to get off the block and to make a play on the ball carrier, but it doesn't look like he was being held. 

 

The same is true on the very next play, also called on Torrence, and the same thing happened. Torrence is in excellent position with his hands on the guy's chest, managing the block just as he's taught to do. 

 

Really unfortunate calls, and poor officiating.  If you don't see it, don't call it. 

[st pete gogolak]

On 11/5/2024 at 9:56 AM, CaseyatBat said:

The holding wasn’t on Dawkins. They just announced the number wrong. The flag was thrown for Torrence, who did hold right in front of the QB

 

watch it again

 

much ado about nothing since it was the right call, although yes they should’ve gotten the number right to avoid confusion

 

 

Is this accurate? What source? So you’re saying they called holding on Torrance on consecutive plays?

[Shaw66]

42 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Is this accurate? What source? So you’re saying they called holding on Torrance on consecutive plays?

Apparently, and that's another thing that's problematic. One ticky-tack call, okay. Maybe it's a makeup call. But two in row? If you don't see it, don't call it. 

[LABILLBACKER]

All I know is these 2 phantom holding calls are getting alot of attention on national shows. And considering how the league blatantly ignores any penalties on the Chiefs OL, the next Bills holding call better be beyond egregious. 

[goober]

On 11/4/2024 at 8:12 PM, julian said:

All major fouls and any penalties that remove points off the board should be reviewable in some form or fashion.

Makes sense to me.  If a toe inbound or not by a receiver is reviewable, why not also correct if an official made an obvious mistake? (They may not change the hold at end of 1st half vs Fins with the Allen TD, but at least there’s a possibility of scrutiny).