Saints fired Dennis Allen …. who’s next?

[ChevyVanMiller]

15 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

I get it, but admittedly am surprised he didn’t get to the end of the year.
 

https://santamariatimes.com/ap/sports/saints-fire-coach-dennis-allen-after-the-clubs-seventh-straight-loss-ap-source-says/article_a90324ac-6754-5a92-abae-cb797e8f2321.html

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/257001-saints-fired-dennis-allen-…-who’s-next/

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

For all of those who want to to fire McDermott even with his flaws - this is why we keep him - who knows who the next guy is going to be and how he will turn out

 

The Bills, with Josh Allen, will NEVER be as bad as the Saints. No matter who is coaching. It's not even close to the same situation.

 

We already know what McDermott is (and isnt). If he has another early playoff exit this year, it is madness to keep banging our heads on that wall instead of rolling the dice with literally anyone else.

[Yobogoya!]

The Saints came out the gate hot this year, too. Derek Carr seemed to be on the verge of a career renaissance.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

27 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said:

For all of those who want to to fire McDermott even with his flaws - this is why we keep him - who knows who the next guy is going to be and how he will turn out

LOL! You think McDermott could win five games with their roster?

 

[FloridaSnow]

15 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

The Saints came out the gate hot this year, too. Derek Carr seemed to be on the verge of a career renaissance.

Right!!?? Even given who they played, the drop off is kind of shocking

[gonzo1105]

4 minutes ago, FloridaSnow said:

Right!!?? Even given who they played, the drop off is kind of shocking

I mean it’s an old beat down defense that has carried them for years that just can’t do it anymore and the offense is led by a very average QB in Derek Carr. It’s a weaker division but they need to clear those contracts and start over. That’s a long rebuild over there 

[RyanC883]

44 minutes ago, julian said:

I mean, they had players refusing to back into the locker room after the game that had to be corralled and talked off the ledge after yesterday’s game.

 

why didn't they want to go back into the locker room?  Upset at Allen, or bad chemistry between players?  

[HardyBoy]

33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Bills, with Josh Allen, will NEVER be as bad as the Saints. No matter who is coaching. It's not even close to the same situation.

 

We already know what McDermott is (and isnt). If he has another early playoff exit this year, it is madness to keep banging our heads on that wall instead of rolling the dice with literally anyone else.

 

Have you seen the players starting on defense so far this season? 

[st pete gogolak]

35 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Bills, with Josh Allen, will NEVER be as bad as the Saints. No matter who is coaching. It's not even close to the same situation.

 

We already know what McDermott is (and isnt). If he has another early playoff exit this year, it is madness to keep banging our heads on that wall instead of rolling the dice with literally anyone else.

I always caution folks to look at the Sabres before saying stuff like this.  Pegula got lucky with McDermott/Beane.  I don’t want Rex Ryan redux.

[thenorthremembers]

24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Bills, with Josh Allen, will NEVER be as bad as the Saints. No matter who is coaching. It's not even close to the same situation.

 

We already know what McDermott is (and isnt). If he has another early playoff exit this year, it is madness to keep banging our heads on that wall instead of rolling the dice with literally anyone else.

 

I think you're underestimating how much scheme and coaching plays into NFL football.    There are plenty of instances where great Quarterbacks had losing seasons because their program wasnt being run well.   Don Shula had a run of 3 out of 4 .500 or worse seasons with Dan Marino in his prime.  Jim Mora had losing seasons in 50% of his time with Peyton Manning.    Wade Phillips was 16-16 with John Elway as his quarterback. 

 

McDermott doesnt get enough praise for the program he has installed in Buffalo, especially with this place being an absolute dumpster fire before he got here.    I also dont see losing in the divisional round as an "early playoff exit" its halfway through the tournament.    The Bills have run up against the same buzzsaw everyone else in the NFL has, the best coach in the league with a generational talent at QB.   

[JGMcD2]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Bills, with Josh Allen, will NEVER be as bad as the Saints. No matter who is coaching. It's not even close to the same situation.

 

We already know what McDermott is (and isnt). If he has another early playoff exit this year, it is madness to keep banging our heads on that wall instead of rolling the dice with literally anyone else.

It's just really hard to follow along with this. McDermott isn't Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, so let's fire him? The guys who are #3 and #4 all time in wins in NFL history. 

 

There have been 7 Super Bowls since McDermott became the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, Reid and Belichick have represented the AFC in 6/7 and have won 4/7. The likelihood that we find the next Reid or Belichick is so small.

 

If we're lucky we end up with Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson... someone who catches lightning in a bottle, but hopefully we don't end up with the version of a Taylor/Pederson type who severely under performs in the regular season and misses a chance at the dance all together - you know, like the version of them that shows up more often than not. 

 

 

AFC

 

Andy Reid (4 appearances, 3 wins)

Bill Belichick (2 appearances, 1 win)

Zac Taylor (1 appearance, 0 wins)

 

 

NFC

 

Sean McVay (2 appearances, 1 win)

Doug Pederson (1 appearance, 1 win)

Bruce Arians (1 appearance, 1 win)

Kyle Shanahan (2 appearances, 0 wins)

Nick Sirianni (1 appearance, 0 wins)

18 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

LOL! You think McDermott could win five games with their roster?

 

He won nine with a far worse team in 2017... LOL!

[dpberr]

To me, feels like cover for some forthcoming trades of players which may be...unpopular.

 

For them to have any shot at assembling a credible roster over the next couple years, they need to jettison as many of those 30+ year old players they can.

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Have you seen the players starting on defense so far this season? 

 

I did. And I watched as Josh once again gave the team a 7 point lead late in the game, just for McD and his injured defense to let the Dolphins march right down and score. And then Josh had to save the day again with getting the team into FG range.

 

What does McD being here have to do with any of that? Besides his horrible challenge flag and defensive time outs that almost sabotaged our Offense?

 

5 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

I always caution folks to look at the Sabres before saying stuff like this.  Pegula got lucky with McDermott/Beane.  I don’t want Rex Ryan redux.

 

Beane stays, and McDermott has won us just as many Super Bowls as Rex.

 

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I think you're underestimating how much scheme and coaching plays into NFL football.    There are plenty of instances where great Quarterbacks had losing seasons because their program wasnt being run well.   Don Shula had a run of 3 out of 4 .500 or worse seasons with Dan Marino in his prime.  Jim Mora had losing seasons in 50% of his time with Peyton Manning.    Wade Phillips was 16-16 with John Elway as his quarterback. 

 

McDermott doesnt get enough praise for the program he has installed in Buffalo, especially with this place being an absolute dumpster fire before he got here.    I also dont see losing in the divisional round as an "early playoff exit" its halfway through the tournament.    The Bills have run up against the same buzzsaw everyone else in the NFL has, the best coach in the league with a generational talent at QB.   

 

We're not doing this. McDermott is CONSTANTLY praised for the job he did in turning the franchise around. Great job, good for him.

 

That isnt the goal anymore.

 

We have a stable franchise, and a top-2 player in the league at QB. And we get bounced out of the playoffs early every year due to bonehead coaching.

 

Time to adjust your goals.

 

McDermott is a great guy and a good coach. But the saying applies: "McD is the type of coach that can take a 3-14 team to the Wild Card round. And he also the type of coach that can take a 14-3 team to the Wild Card round"

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I did. And I watched as Josh once again gave the team a 7 point lead late in the game, just for McD and his injured defense to let the Dolphins march right down and score. And then Josh had to save the day again with getting the team into FG range.

 

What does McD being here have to do with any of that? Besides his horrible challenge flag and defensive time outs that almost sabotaged our Offense?

 

 

Beane stays, and McDermott has won us just as many Super Bowls as Rex.

 

 

We're not doing this. McDermott is CONSTANTLY praised for the job he did in turning the franchise around. Great job, good for him.

 

That isnt the goal anymore.

 

We have a stable franchise, and a top-2 player in the league at QB. And we get bounced out of the playoffs early every year due to bonehead coaching.

 

Time to adjust your goals.

 

McDermott is a great guy and a good coach. But the saying applies: "McD is the type of coach that can take a 3-14 team to the Wild Card round. And he also the type of coach that can take a 14-3 team to the Wild Card round"

 

Your "bounced early" statement is complete hyperbole.   They've been to the second round of the playoffs or better every year since 2020.     They havent lost in the wild card round since Josh's second year in the league.    

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It's just really hard to follow along with this. McDermott isn't Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, so let's fire him? The guys who are #3 and #4 all time in wins in NFL history. 

 

There have been 7 Super Bowls since McDermott became the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, Reid and Belichick have represented the AFC in 6/7 and have won 4/7. The likelihood that we find the next Reid or Belichick is so small.

 

If we're lucky we end up with Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson... someone who catches lightning in a bottle, but hopefully we don't end up with the version of a Taylor/Pederson type who severely under performs in the regular season and misses a chance at the dance all together - you know, like the version of them that shows up more often than not. 

 

 

AFC

 

Andy Reid (4 appearances, 3 wins)

Bill Belichick (2 appearances, 1 win)

Zac Taylor (1 appearance, 0 wins)

 

 

NFC

 

Sean McVay (2 appearances, 1 win)

Doug Pederson (1 appearance, 1 win)

Bruce Arians (1 appearance, 1 win)

Kyle Shanahan (2 appearances, 0 wins)

Nick Sirianni (1 appearance, 0 wins)

He won nine with a far worse team in 2017... LOL!

2017 Bills roster was far better than Saints current roster. Now Bills 2018 roster was absolute garbage.

[DrDawkinstein]

33 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It's just really hard to follow along with this. McDermott isn't Andy Reid or Bill Belichick, so let's fire him? The guys who are #3 and #4 all time in wins in NFL history. 

 

There have been 7 Super Bowls since McDermott became the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, Reid and Belichick have represented the AFC in 6/7 and have won 4/7. The likelihood that we find the next Reid or Belichick is so small.

 

If we're lucky we end up with Zac Taylor or Doug Pederson... someone who catches lightning in a bottle, but hopefully we don't end up with the version of a Taylor/Pederson type who severely under performs in the regular season and misses a chance at the dance all together - you know, like the version of them that shows up more often than not. 

 

 

AFC

 

Andy Reid (4 appearances, 3 wins)

Bill Belichick (2 appearances, 1 win)

Zac Taylor (1 appearance, 0 wins)

 

 

NFC

 

Sean McVay (2 appearances, 1 win)

Doug Pederson (1 appearance, 1 win)

Bruce Arians (1 appearance, 1 win)

Kyle Shanahan (2 appearances, 0 wins)

Nick Sirianni (1 appearance, 0 wins)

 

Sean McDermott (ZERO appearances, 0 wins)

 

So when we get bounced in the Divisional round this year, you'll say "Oh it was a transition year, let's keep McDermott". And then next year when we get bounced in the Divisional round you'll say "He broke the drought (8 years ago), and the next coach could be worse!"... and then before you know it, another 5 years have gone by, Josh is passed his prime, and we've wasted him on a coach who has zero situational awareness of the ability to take over a game in any way.

 

Not good enough for me.

 

We have a Josh. We have a window with Josh. A pretty big one considering he should have a 10-15 year career. But we are already 6 years (halfway?) through it and have zero to show except "13 seconds".

 

I dont need the next Belichick or Andy Reid. No one ever said that, you made it up. I just need someone who can win one Championship, and McDermott has proven time and time again that he aint it.

 

edit:

 

I dont need the next Belichick or Reid. I just want to avoid Marvin Lewis and Marty Schottenheimer.

 

22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Your "bounced early" statement is complete hyperbole.   They've been to the second round of the playoffs or better every year since 2020.     They havent lost in the wild card round since Josh's second year in the league.    

 

 

 

The Divisional round is "bounced early" when you have Josh Allen and a 13-4 regular season record.

 

We've made 1 AFC Championship and the only time we were close to going back to it, McD directly blew it with bad coaching in 13 seconds.

Edited November 4 by DrDawkinstein

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

2017 Bills roster was far better than Saints current roster. Now Bills 2018 roster was absolute garbage.

Bogus. Everyone accused the Bills of tanking in 2017. Everyone thought they would be the worst team in the league.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Just now, MJS said:

Bogus. Everyone accused the Bills of tanking in 2017. Everyone thought they would be the worst team in the league.

You have the wrong year. That was 2018 when they ate all the salary cap and had 5 WRs on the roster that none of which belonged in the NFL. The oline was comically bad. 

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You have the wrong year. That was 2018 when they ate all the salary cap and had 5 WRs on the roster that none of which belonged in the NFL. The oline was comically bad. 

I didn't get the wrong year. They cut, traded, or lost Marcel Dareus, Sammy Watkins, Nickel Robey, Ronald Darby, and Robert Woods. Everyone accused the team of tanking.

 

The 2017 roster was bad. 2018 was worse, for sure, but 2017 was an objectively terrible roster and it was a supreme coaching job by McDermott getting them to the playoffs. He should have won coach of the year that year.

[julian]

50 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

why didn't they want to go back into the locker room?  Upset at Allen, or bad chemistry between players?  

Yeah I have no idea, but cameras caught some players in the tunnel including Carr trying to get Cam Jordan I believe to come into the locker room.

 

maybe after that 2-0 start they were believing the media hype about being the greatest offense of all time, and when that came crashing down the locker room fell apart along with it.

 

just pure speculation on my part.

Edited November 4 by julian