jwhit34 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago I was going to respond to the "What's Up With Elam" topic, but have chosen to go positive instead and looked at the entire 2022 draft class. A lot of the experts say the appropriate time to evaluate a draft is in year 3. Well, it's year 3 for the 2022 draft class. As a reminder, here were the picks: Round 1 - Elam 2 - Cook 3 - Bernard 5 - Shakir 6 - Araiza 6 - Benford 6 - Tenuta 7 - Spector This is one heck of a draft: 3 Pro Bowl or better caliber players (Cook, Bernard, Benford - could he be All Pro?) Shakir, who may not be Pro Bowl but has emerged as a top third slot receiver and is leading the team in receptions and yards. 2 quality depth players (Elam, Spector) capable of stepping in to start when needed and quite possibly start for many teams. 1 who would still be on the team if not for the unfortunate personal stuff (Araiza). Tenuta, who wasn't good enough to make the Bills but is still kicking around the league on Practice Squads. All 8 picks still in the league, and 5 of the 8 in the 5th round or later. This draft was key to the Bills/Beane being able to move on from some vets (Edmunds, White, Singletary, Gabe Davis) whose play either declined or were too expensive. It also allowed them to transition to "Allen Era 2" without taking a step back. A transformative draft in my opinion. Fans can woulda, coulda, shoulda the Elam pick but he probably starts for 1/2 the teams in the league. He was pretty good vs. the Dolphins. Is any objective evaluator giving this draft anything but an A? By the way, in the 8 drafts since McDermott/Beane arrived in 2017 (giving McDermott the '17 year): All 24 players drafted in the first 4 rounds are still in the league, and at least 18 have started multiple games for the Bills Notable picks round 5 or later: Milano (5), Shakir (5), Bass (6), Dane Jackson (7), Teller (5), Hamlin (6), Benford (6) How many other teams have done better? 19 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago It is an all timer Draft, even with the Elam pick in Round 1. Instead of getting Day 1 Talent out of our 1st Round CB and Day 3 Talent out of our 7th Round CB - we got Day 1 Talent out of our 7th Round CB and Day 3 Talent out of our 1st Round CB. It evens out. We've got the rest of this year and next year with all of these guys. But after that, we're really going to have a heck of a time getting them all back. Khalil Shakir, Greg Rousseau (bc of the 5th year option), Christian Benford, James Cook, and Terrel Bernard are all scheduled to be Free Agents after next season. We're probably going to want to get a head start on some of them this coming offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: It is an all timer Draft, even with the Elam pick in Round 1. Instead of getting Day 1 Talent out of our 1st Round CB and Day 3 Talent out of our 7th Round CB - we got Day 1 Talent out of our 7th Round CB and Day 3 Talent out of our 1st Round CB. It evens out. We've got the rest of this year and next year with all of these guys. But after that, we're really going to have a heck of a time getting them all back. Khalil Shakir, Greg Rousseau (bc of the 5th year option), Christian Benford, James Cook, and Terrel Bernard are all scheduled to be Free Agents after next season. We're probably going to want to get a head start on some of them this coming offseason. In order of priority for me: 1. Benford 2. Rousseau 3. Bernard 4. Shakir 5. Cook 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Well said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 6 hours ago, jwhit34 said: I was going to respond to the "What's Up With Elam" topic, but have chosen to go positive instead and looked at the entire 2022 draft class. A lot of the experts say the appropriate time to evaluate a draft is in year 3. Well, it's year 3 for the 2022 draft class. As a reminder, here were the picks: Round 1 - Elam 2 - Cook 3 - Bernard 5 - Shakir 6 - Araiza 6 - Benford 6 - Tenuta 7 - Spector This is one heck of a draft: 3 Pro Bowl or better caliber players (Cook, Bernard, Benford - could he be All Pro?) Shakir, who may not be Pro Bowl but has emerged as a top third slot receiver and is leading the team in receptions and yards. 2 quality depth players (Elam, Spector) capable of stepping in to start when needed and quite possibly start for many teams. 1 who would still be on the team if not for the unfortunate personal stuff (Araiza). Tenuta, who wasn't good enough to make the Bills but is still kicking around the league on Practice Squads. All 8 picks still in the league, and 5 of the 8 in the 5th round or later. This draft was key to the Bills/Beane being able to move on from some vets (Edmunds, White, Singletary, Gabe Davis) whose play either declined or were too expensive. It also allowed them to transition to "Allen Era 2" without taking a step back. A transformative draft in my opinion. Fans can woulda, coulda, shoulda the Elam pick but he probably starts for 1/2 the teams in the league. He was pretty good vs. the Dolphins. Is any objective evaluator giving this draft anything but an A? By the way, in the 8 drafts since McDermott/Beane arrived in 2017 (giving McDermott the '17 year): All 24 players drafted in the first 4 rounds are still in the league, and at least 18 have started multiple games for the Bills Notable picks round 5 or later: Milano (5), Shakir (5), Bass (6), Dane Jackson (7), Teller (5), Hamlin (6), Benford (6) How many other teams have done better? Shakir is phenomenal Reminds me of Kupp in his prime, when Coop is back , watch out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 2023 Kincaid Torrence Dorian Williams And I think 2024 may be his best of these three drafts, too early to tell. We are loaded with young talent. Thank you Mr. Beane! 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago (edited) fantastic draft. going to need to hit on a few replacements for those guys next year because keeping them all will be hard. Edited 14 hours ago by RyanC883 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 7 hours ago, jwhit34 said: I was going to respond to the "What's Up With Elam" topic, but have chosen to go positive instead and looked at the entire 2022 draft class. A lot of the experts say the appropriate time to evaluate a draft is in year 3. Well, it's year 3 for the 2022 draft class. As a reminder, here were the picks: Round 1 - Elam 2 - Cook 3 - Bernard 5 - Shakir 6 - Araiza 6 - Benford 6 - Tenuta 7 - Spector This is one heck of a draft: 3 Pro Bowl or better caliber players (Cook, Bernard, Benford - could he be All Pro?) Shakir, who may not be Pro Bowl but has emerged as a top third slot receiver and is leading the team in receptions and yards. 2 quality depth players (Elam, Spector) capable of stepping in to start when needed and quite possibly start for many teams. 1 who would still be on the team if not for the unfortunate personal stuff (Araiza). Tenuta, who wasn't good enough to make the Bills but is still kicking around the league on Practice Squads. All 8 picks still in the league, and 5 of the 8 in the 5th round or later. This draft was key to the Bills/Beane being able to move on from some vets (Edmunds, White, Singletary, Gabe Davis) whose play either declined or were too expensive. It also allowed them to transition to "Allen Era 2" without taking a step back. A transformative draft in my opinion. Fans can woulda, coulda, shoulda the Elam pick but he probably starts for 1/2 the teams in the league. He was pretty good vs. the Dolphins. Is any objective evaluator giving this draft anything but an A? By the way, in the 8 drafts since McDermott/Beane arrived in 2017 (giving McDermott the '17 year): All 24 players drafted in the first 4 rounds are still in the league, and at least 18 have started multiple games for the Bills Notable picks round 5 or later: Milano (5), Shakir (5), Bass (6), Dane Jackson (7), Teller (5), Hamlin (6), Benford (6) How many other teams have done better? I think that this draft highlights the strengths of the drafts under Brandon Beane’s squad. They were able to draft really well in the mid-to-late rounds with Bernard, Shakir, and Benford as high quality starters. Cook also was a hit for a late 2nd round selection. I disagree a bit on Elam. I’m not sure he’d be a starter on other teams but it’s hard to tell since he’s only played sporadically. Also if a draft pick becomes a star under a different regime, I don’t think you can give the GM who drafted them credit for the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: Shakir is phenomenal Reminds me of Kupp in his prime, when Coop is back , watch out.. Yes, I think Shakir could have All-Pro potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Yes, I think Shakir could have All-Pro potential Name me one WR in the league who has a better catch percentage as a WR than Shakir this season (93.3%) and career (82.7%) with a minimum of 30 catches. You can't. Potential? He IS an All-Pro RIGHT NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago The draft looks like an A++ if you re-arrange two guys: Round 1 - Benford - impact Cornerback Round 2 - Cook - impact RB Round 3 - Bernard - team captain Round 5 - Shakir - reliable slot weapon Round 6 - Elam - great depth and raw talent Round 7 - Spector - solid LB depth Either way, fantastic draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: In order of priority for me: 1. Benford 2. Rousseau 3. Bernard 4. Shakir 5. Cook Agreed- but I would flip flop Shakir and Bernard if Bernard goes down with another injury. I love the dude. Helluva LB, leader and person. Just seems like he’s always going to be injured. That said, I don’t think there’s much chance that McD would let him go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 36 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed- but I would flip flop Shakir and Bernard if Bernard goes down with another injury. I love the dude. Helluva LB, leader and person. Just seems like he’s always going to be injured. That said, I don’t think there’s much chance that McD would let him go I think the Bills will try very hard to sign all the top 4 on my list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Isn't Beane supposed to be a horrible GM who doesn't know how to draft? I read that here so it must be true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the Bills will try very hard to sign all the top 4 on my list. Agreed. This is the new core. They will get 4-6 year deals each, and I'd think Beane will let other aging players go to make sure these guys stick around (Knox, Milano, Daquan Jones, Douglas). The one player that will be the "surprise" is Cook. Beane will continue with his running back by committee approach and Cook can go sign for good money somewhere else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the Bills will try very hard to sign all the top 4 on my list. Hope they can pull it off, would love for all 4 to stick around. After 2025 is also when we can get out of some bad contracts I believe? Von, Dawson, Jones, Samuel. Not sure on all of these. Hopefully that will help. Edited 8 hours ago by Process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Process said: Hope they can pull it off, would love for all 4 to stick around. After 2025 is also when we can get out of some bad contracts I believe? Von, Dawson, Jones, Samuel. Not sure on all of these. Hopefully that will help. If I'm reading things right, Von + Knox + Samuel cut in 2025 offseason leading into 2026 would result in $34M in cash off the books (Cap-dead cap). Would think that would be enough to sign Bernard +Shakir long term. Then use the other money to try to get Rousseau and Benford done. Maybe another extension for Allen to kick money down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Agreed. This is the new core. They will get 4-6 year deals each, and I'd think Beane will let other aging players go to make sure these guys stick around (Knox, Milano, Daquan Jones, Douglas). The one player that will be the "surprise" is Cook. Beane will continue with his running back by committee approach and Cook can go sign for good money somewhere else. I like the "new core" description. I think the last 3 drafts the Bills have picked up some really good young players. What they need is one or two of them to really elevate to "star" status for Allen era II. The Poyer, Hyde, White, Diggs, Morse, Milano, Dawkins core was great for this franchise. No doubt. But hopefully as this new core matures into those leadership roles they can help us get over the hump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the Bills will try very hard to sign all the top 4 on my list. Agreed. Love me some James Cook but paying a RB would be a bad idea. Even worse idea knowing we have Ray Davis. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Decent draft yes. Transformative? Heck look at KC that same year - Pacheco, Karlaftis, McDuffie, Cook, Moore, Chenal, Watson...that is much closer to transformative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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