Who is the best and most likely player the Bills can get to help stop the run in the next two days?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

[Warriorspikes51]

Sebastian Joseph-Day

 

Playing very well.

On a team who is a seller

Can fit the low cap hit

*Was here for a visit in spring

 

Edited November 4 by Warriorspikes51

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yup, it has nothing to do with "not being able to stop the run".

 

They simply are willing to give up runs sometimes and believe they will make enough disruptive plays to force 3rd and longs and take advantage of teams that aren't patient enough to keep doing it to prevent deep throws and maintain their two high shells.

 

I mean they just held the Seahawks to 32 yards rushing last week and their RBs combined for 12 carries for 16 yards.

 

Do we really have memories this short?

Seahawks aren't the Bills biggest concern. Ravens and Chiefs are. The Bills are missing a Jeffrey Simmons type to get them over the hump. I, personally, would be okay giving up one of those 2nd rd picks to acquire him. I feel like he'd be the piece to winning a championship 

[SectionC3]

I’m not sure this is something that I would invest in. I appreciate that Ankou played a bunch today.  But the gashing is what happens when one plays nickel against two WR sets.  We chose to limit the pass and to risk getting beaten by the run.  It worked. 

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

This can be a championship team. But they need some help, more so than some of the other contenders.  They must shore up their run defense and at the same time get more pressure on quarterbacks to be a true contender.

 

Seems a little negligent if the Bills do not do this in the next two days. They may really struggle against the best quarterbacks and run games if they don't get some help.   The Dolphins' defense had their way with the Bills today.  The Bills could not stop the run or get pressure on Tua. 

 

Great win today, because they pulled it out, going 7-2.  But also because it was a canary in the coal mine, a warning to the Bill'  leaders of what they need, right now, to take the next step.

 

Do you agree that this is not a luxury item, but a need? And who is a likely target? Is it a defensive tackle or end?  The time is now, I think.

 

 

 

     A healthy , pro bowl Milano returning would be a great addition.  Just hard to be optimistic it will happen soon.  I don’t expect Beane to do much with them sitting at 7-2.    Hey , he made a huge move getting coop , adding more doesn’t seem like his usual move    Elam came thru today. Coleman’s status will be huge, but on d edwards can’t even make the active squad so I think Beane is done for this year. 

[Special K]

 

This guy might shore up the run defense:

 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Seahawks aren't the Bills biggest concern. Ravens and Chiefs are. The Bills are missing a Jeffrey Simmons type to get them over the hump. I, personally, would be okay giving up one of those 2nd rd picks to acquire him. I feel like he'd be the piece to winning a championship 

Too bad we won't be facing the Seahawks in the playoffs, eh?

 

Guess some people really do have short memories if they've already forgotten how Derrick Henry hung 200 yards on us and there's a very real possibility we do see them in the playoffs.

[ganesh]

The chiefs have given up 560+ yards in 165 touches....The Bills have give up 1100+ yards on 231 touches.    The Chiefs are getting teams on 3rd and long more often than not.

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Taron said in his press conference they weren't even playing the run. They just didn't want to get beat over the top. Few other teams have the wide receivers to beat them deep. 

Tua and Miami are a special case. You can't pass rush because the ball gets out so quick and their speed can kill you. 

When they play Baltimore again they will be healthier. They can also play some 4-3 with Spector. 

Carter will be back in a few weeks.

 

If they make a trade get a pass rusher because AJE and Miller are terrible.

 

 

And because they are protecting this secondary. The safeties especially, but last night also Elam. 3 years ago in that game they go cover 3 and put Poyer up in the box, let Hyde play deep middle. They don't trust either of these guys deep so they are reluctant to do it against explosive offenses.

[ganesh]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And because they are protecting this secondary. The safeties especially, but last night also Elam. 3 years ago in that game they go cover 3 and put Poyer up in the box, let Hyde play deep middle. They don't trust either of these guys deep so they are reluctant to do it against explosive offenses.

The way Elam lost track of the ball gainst those big plays, I would do the same.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I’m not sure this is something that I would invest in. I appreciate that Ankou played a bunch today.  But the gashing is what happens when one plays nickel against two WR sets.  We chose to limit the pass and to risk getting beaten by the run.  It worked. 

The Ravens and Chiefs are two headed monsters. Need to be able to respond to this 

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Taron said in his press conference they weren't even playing the run. They just didn't want to get beat over the top. Few other teams have the wide receivers to beat them deep. 

Tua and Miami are a special case. You can't pass rush because the ball gets out so quick and their speed can kill you. 

When they play Baltimore again they will be healthier. They can also play some 4-3 with Spector. 

Carter will be back in a few weeks.

 

If they make a trade get a pass rusher because AJE and Miller are terrible.

 

 

AJ and von are “terrible”.  Lol

6 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Too bad we won't be facing the Seahawks in the playoffs, eh?

 

Guess some people really do have short memories if they've already forgotten how Derrick Henry hung 200 yards on us and there's a very real possibility we do see them in the playoffs.

And some people forgot that we didn’t have Taron or Bernard, lost Rapp to a concussion early AND played a light box the entire game.  
 

If we play Baltimore in the playoffs, I believe that we’d play a heavier box.  

Edited November 4 by NewEra

[Matt_In_NH]

Do people not understand the Bills scheme/strategy against some teams is to let them run?   They have light(weight) fronts with light boxes.   Yesterday's strategy did not really work so I get it but if they wanted to stop the run they could do a much better job.  Adding a run stuffer wont change much, it is not what they actually need.  If you want to argue their scheme sucks, ok this is not a personnel thing it is a strategy thing.

10 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Taron said in his press conference they weren't even playing the run. They just didn't want to get beat over the top. Few other teams have the wide receivers to beat them deep. 

Tua and Miami are a special case. You can't pass rush because the ball gets out so quick and their speed can kill you. 

When they play Baltimore again they will be healthier. They can also play some 4-3 with Spector. 

Carter will be back in a few weeks.

 

If they make a trade get a pass rusher because AJE and Miller are terrible.

 

 

I dont have number but Tua held the ball some yesterday and there was zero pass rush even in those instances...He was working progressions which is not typical for him.   The Dolphins OL had a great game.

[Not at the table Karlos]

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yup, it has nothing to do with "not being able to stop the run".

 

They simply are willing to give up runs sometimes and believe they will make enough disruptive plays to force 3rd and longs and take advantage of teams that aren't patient enough to keep doing it to prevent deep throws and maintain their two high shells.

 

I mean they just held the Seahawks to 32 yards rushing last week and their RBs combined for 12 carries for 16 yards.

 

Do we really have memories this short?

No we have longer memories than just last week. The ravens ran all over them. The Bills get gashed by the run a decent amount. Especially if teams can also throw the ball. Against the Seahawks they didn’t have any wrs that scared anyone and they could sell out to stop the run. 

Edited November 4 by Not at the table Karlos

[Solomon Grundy]

12 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Do people not understand the Bills scheme/strategy against some teams is to let them run?   They have light(weight) fronts with light boxes.   Yesterday's strategy did not really work so I get it but if they wanted to stop the run they could do a much better job.  Adding a run stuffer wont change much, it is not what they actually need.  If you want to argue their scheme sucks, ok this is not a personnel thing it is a strategy thing.

I dont have number but Tua held the ball some yesterday and there was zero pass rush even in those instances...He was working progressions which is not typical for him.   The Dolphins OL had a great game.

Then why did they bring in Linval Joseph last season? 

[Magox]

A large part of the reason the Dolphins gashing us was scheme.   The Bills played 6 man boxes throughout the majority of the game and they decided to roll the dice against the run vs potentially exposing the pass defense.

 

McDaniel has a tendency to move away from the run during the course of a game and to his credit he didn’t.

 

Buffalo’s defense also was giving the underneath passes and to Tua’s credit he was hitting them with lots of efficiency.   
 

The Dolphins did about as well as they could have against the defensive design the Bills had in place.

 

With that said, I do hope the Bills get some via a trade that can take on 2 blockers consistently, I think this is the main liability this team has.   And through next years draft get a huge DT with their 1st round pick.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Then why did they bring in Linval Joseph last season? 

Because Daquan Jones had a long term injury if I am remembering correctly.  Look not saying they cannot use more talent I am just saying the scheme played is what allowed them to run effectively.  

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Then why did they bring in Linval Joseph last season? 

 

Their scheme isn't to let them run. It is to not commit numbers to playing the run. The idea of Joseph last year was with Jones down to add some beef at 1T.

[JohnNord]

11 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

This can be a championship team. But they need some help, more so than some of the other contenders.  They must shore up their run defense and at the same time get more pressure on quarterbacks to be a true contender.

 

Seems a little negligent if the Bills do not do this in the next two days. They may really struggle against the best quarterbacks and run games if they don't get some help.   The Dolphins' defense had their way with the Bills today.  The Bills could not stop the run or get pressure on Tua. 

 

Great win today, because they pulled it out, going 7-2.  But also because it was a canary in the coal mine, a warning to the Bill'  leaders of what they need, right now, to take the next step.

 

Do you agree that this is not a luxury item, but a need? And who is a likely target? Is it a defensive tackle or end?  The time is now, I think.

 

 

 

“Canary in the coal mine” 🤣

[Mister Defense]

11 hours ago, Simon said:

 

It's possible because you know how much importance they place on teh DL.

Considering that I think we saw DaQuan Jones get demoted mid game today, they might just be willing to look for some insurance.

 

I did not realize Jones was demoted, mid game.

 

A good sign, to me, that Beane will not stand still on these last two trade days.  Jones was supposed to be our best run stuffer..