Allen’s passes

[GoBills808]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Missing like 4 passes short on 39 attempts is not even worth noting. He was down his #1 WR, our run game was pretty meh, and the pressure was on him all game long to keep up in a shootout. In that context he did not have a "fine day." He was brilliant.

 

I'm probably being overly defensive, I just don't get the standards for QB play around here. Like I said, watch a Chiefs game or a Ravens game with the same critical eye and count how many passes the QBs are off.

People don't watch NFL they watch the Bills

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

It felt like he was calling entire drives at times in the second half.

I did not watch second half live but first half he was in total control

[ndirish1978]

 

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I don’t think this is anything.   This Banged up Bills dude does a good job but he’s always looking for the smallest sign of a potential injury.  His catchphrase should be “something to monitor.”

 

The interesting this is that on Josh’s final pass his inaccuracy was probably the reason why they won.  Josh’s long pass to Kincaid was thrown low and short, so much that Kincaid had to make an unsuccessful sliding attempt with 0:12 on the clock.
 

Had he caught the football I’m unsure if there would be enough time to run down and spike the football for a short FG.  

[Thurmal34]

it did seem like some of his passes were short after he jammed his fingers

[ganesh]

9 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

I've heard a couple of people say that.  Wasn't Kincaid wide open and at the sideline?  I saw it as he would have just easily ran OB.

 

He threw quite a few at receivers feet today.

not if he had been tackled

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The drive when he dropped a pass in the bucket downfield forcing Poyer to commit a penalty? That's as clutch a throw as you'll ever see in this league.

 

The final pass to Kincaid, I'm glad it fell incomplete. I don't know if Allen threw it low on purpose to protect the ball, but either way if Kincaid had caught that time would have run out.

I rewatched it and if Kincaid caught it in stride he would've gotten out of bounce.  I don't think it was a throwaway.  I do think his hand was bothering him but he'd never let you know.  Hopefully he's good for next week.

[Einstein]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

He wasn't exactly at the sideline. It's possible he would have caught it and ran out of bounds with a perfect throw but that's a scary proposition with 10 seconds left on the clock. All in all I was glad it hit the turf.

 

I feel like people are thinking Kincaid was more open than he actually was and i’m not sure why. 

 

50/50 chance he makes it out of bounds or he gets tackled and the game ends, imo.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

He threw short a few times in the game but overall, was very good.

[dorquemada]

they were just a little out of sync all day, and in fairness to Miami their DL played a great game especially Campbell.  Overall Miami was strong, and played with intensity the whole time.  I watched the game with my brother in law, up from Alabama, a HUGE Dolphins fan.  He thought he was leaving with a W lol

[eball]

Just spitballing here but I think the underthrows are somewhat intentional.  If the QB tries to put extra on it there is the chance for an overthrow and INT.  If the throw is intentionally low or “short” the only guy who’s going to catch it is your guy.

 

Thoughts?

 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The drive when he dropped a pass in the bucket downfield forcing Poyer to commit a penalty? That's as clutch a throw as you'll ever see in this league.

 

The final pass to Kincaid, I'm glad it fell incomplete. I don't know if Allen threw it low on purpose to protect the ball, but either way if Kincaid had caught that time would have run out.

 

Agree. The throw to Keon was perfect. Slight worry for me that I think Keon was dropping it even before the Poyer hit.

 

I think Josh rushed that final throw. It wasn't a good pass. Maybe his hand was banged up (not sure I noticed it having an impact tbh) but more likely he just missed a throw. And I agree with you because of the distance it travelled if Kincaid catches it the Bills are racing to get the spike and I'm not sure they do. If Allen throws a perfect pass then Kincaid can catch and get out of bounds. But all's well that ends well. 

 

Josh was great yesterday despite being down Cooper and Keon having one of his worst games.

[Warriorspikes51]

9 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think this is anything.   This Banged up Bills dude does a good job but he’s always looking for the smallest sign of a potential injury.  His catchphrase should be “something to monitor.”

 

The interesting this is that on Josh’s final pass his inaccuracy was probably the reason why they won.  Josh’s long pass to Kincaid was thrown low and short, so much that Kincaid had to make an unsuccessful sliding attempt with 0:12 on the clock.
 

Had he caught the football I’m unsure if there would be enough time to run down and spike the football for a short FG.  

 

The throw to Keon right before was a dime.....

[JohnNord]

28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

The throw to Keon right before was a dime.....

It was right there in his hands.  I’d like to think that Keon makes the catch if Poyer doesn’t blast him but it looked like a drop before contact.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It was right there in his hands.  I’d like to think that Keon makes the catch if Poyer doesn’t blast him but it looked like a drop before contact.

He might’ve heard the footsteps/seen him out of the corner of his eye though and I guess he was right to be distracted by it because poyer came in with the dirty hit 😂

40 minutes ago, eball said:

Just spitballing here but I think the underthrows are somewhat intentional.  If the QB tries to put extra on it there is the chance for an overthrow and INT.  If the throw is intentionally low or “short” the only guy who’s going to catch it is your guy.

 

Thoughts?

 

I think it’s been a bit of both on some of these ‘bad’ throws this season which is why his interception numbers are way down.  He seems to be doing a better job keeping it in areas where only his guys can get to it when he’s on target and when it’s a slight miss it looks like a bigger miss than it actually is 

 

 

[Shaw66]

13 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I get it. I understand all of that. I suppose since it's online that people read into it like I'm complaining after a win and sounding like a grump. It's not the case at all. Just made an observation (in regard to the topic of the thread) that had Bass not made a kick, that I'm sure we all had our doubts he would make, we'd be chatting about that last drive. Much like any game played. The issue with me saying anything is because it was a win and I get that. 

Gotta it.  Thanks. I agree with all of it, including our tendency to read into things online that aren't always there. 

 

What your post made me think about, and something that I guess you agree with, is that when it comes down to the end of close games, there's a whole range of outcomes.  First, of course, there's wins and losses.  All wins are good, and all losses are bad.  In virtually all the bad losses, there are plays to criticize, and justifiably, because those plays were the difference between winning and losing. 

 

And in some of the wins, there also are plays to criticize, some wins more than others. You're absolutely right to criticize those plays - in fact, that's what the Bills' coaches are doing today - what worked, what didn't work, what went wrong. 

 

As I said in The Rockpile Review, the Bills win by being tough. Tough isn't always pretty, but it's effective. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Slight worry for me that I think Keon was dropping it even before the Poyer hit.

 

I won't lie, I had the same thought. He has a bad habit of jumping unnecessarily on downfield catches. The pass he dropped against Seatle on the honey hole shot was the same thing, he jumped for no reason and it made the catch attempt awkward. I think like anything else it just comes down to reps and developing muscle memory. He needs to learn to just finish his route normally and trust that the ball will be where it's supposed to be... Going from Jordan Travis to Josh Allen has to be a bit of a shock to the system.

[Mark Vader]

16 hours ago, Prospector said:

Is his elbow messed up? Looks like me throwing on Thanksgiving, knowing my true potential throw will leave me with an off arm for 2 months. 

You really are Stinky Pete!

[Heavy Kevi]

16 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Heard there were videos on X showing that he jammed fingers on his throwing hand & him holding his hand. (I haven't seen the videos, so can't confirm it)

 

Haven't seen anything on Twitter (don't even have an acct)

 

But yeah I definitely saw him crouching holding that hand and trying to "shake it off".

 

He definitely blasted it off a Phin helmet.

[Goin Breakdown]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Gotta it.  Thanks. I agree with all of it, including our tendency to read into things online that aren't always there. 

 

What your post made me think about, and something that I guess you agree with, is that when it comes down to the end of close games, there's a whole range of outcomes.  First, of course, there's wins and losses.  All wins are good, and all losses are bad.  In virtually all the bad losses, there are plays to criticize, and justifiably, because those plays were the difference between winning and losing. 

 

And in some of the wins, there also are plays to criticize, some wins more than others. You're absolutely right to criticize those plays - in fact, that's what the Bills' coaches are doing today - what worked, what didn't work, what went wrong. 

 

As I said in The Rockpile Review, the Bills win by being tough. Tough isn't always pretty, but it's effective. 

Absolutely. Not always pretty but effective. Great way to put it. I was telling my son during the game that regardless of the outcome, this was a hard fought division game and had I not been a Bills fan. This would have a lot of entertainment value. I've since rewatched much of the game and there really is a lot to be proud of. I'm glad we're done with Miami. Not every team we play will be like them as far as speed, game plan and familiarity with opponent so there is a lot of that in play. 
thanks for understanding where I was coming from. You always have a good way of wording your thoughts and insights. I appreciate that. Go Bills!

[Shaw66]

13 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Absolutely. Not always pretty but effective. Great way to put it. I was telling my son during the game that regardless of the outcome, this was a hard fought division game and had I not been a Bills fan. This would have a lot of entertainment value. I've since rewatched much of the game and there really is a lot to be proud of. I'm glad we're done with Miami. Not every team we play will be like them as far as speed, game plan and familiarity with opponent so there is a lot of that in play. 
thanks for understanding where I was coming from. You always have a good way of wording your thoughts and insights. I appreciate that. Go Bills!

Good points, all.  Thanks.