What Is It With Elam?

[HansLanda]

This is a very good franchise that likely missed on a (minor) trade up for a CB. It can happen - if not likely for many teams. They will clearly be looking to add to the CB room and hopefully pay Douglas and Benford to give 4 years of breathing room. I want to see what Ingram can be aside from Dime packages, but for now lock up the starters. Elam isn't even tradable for a 6. So keep him. Who cares? 

[Max Fischer]

It's simple. He's not bad, just not good, and sits behind two great cornerbacks.  

[Saxum]

1 minute ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

which continues to raise the question as to why the hell they drafted him in the first place?  Possibly panicked after KC sniped them.

 

He was a good college CB but unable to transition to being a zone CB which he did not play in college.  He was signed for his measurables, attitude and college play.

[HurlyBurly51]

2 minutes ago, Saxum said:

 

He was a good college CB but unable to transition to being a zone CB which he did not play in college.  He was signed for his measurables, attitude and college play.

again, if not a fit for your system, then don't draft him.  Especially in the 1st round.  You can take that kind of risk on day 3 guys if you really want.  A mix of hubris/panic imo with regards to Elam

[Saxum]

Just now, HurlyBurly51 said:

again, if not a fit for your system, then don't draft him.  Especially in the 1st round.  You can take that kind of risk on day 3 guys if you really want.  A mix of hubris/panic imo with regards to Elam

 

Again it is college football and not a lot of teams play the same way in college as they do in pros.  Teams have to take chances.  Same thing happens with every position in NFL.

[HurlyBurly51]

2 minutes ago, Saxum said:

 

Again it is college football and not a lot of teams play the same way in college as they do in pros.  Teams have to take chances.  Same thing happens with every position in NFL.

the guy plans man, the Bills zone, what would possess you to try to squeeze a round peg into a square hole?  On your 1st round pick?!  I think history has proven that was a mistake. 

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He just played a whole game the first time one of those players were injured

 

You’re right.

 

I thought Benford missed a game earlier this year, but my brain must have conflated Benford with Rapp somehow.

[warrior9]

28 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He is a horrible draft pick.  

So you didn't watch the game? Or do you think that just because he hasn't played? Or do you just not like Beane? Or do you just have no reason for thinking this? 

 

If he isn't better than Benford or Douglas do you want him to play just because of where he was picked? As the OP says, when he plays, he plays well he is just behind very good starters. 

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

the guy plans man, the Bills zone, what would possess you to try to squeeze a round peg into a square hole?  On your 1st round pick?!  I think history has proven that was a mistake. 

I am not sure the reason for his "lack of" is because where he was drafted or his Fit in the Bills defense.

Hoped to see him play well today

Edited November 3 by 3rdand12

[Shortchaz]

2 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

again, if not a fit for your system, then don't draft him.  Especially in the 1st round.  You can take that kind of risk on day 3 guys if you really want.  A mix of hubris/panic imo with regards to Elam

I think there’s some argument for drafting what you perceive to be the best athlete on your board in the first round regardless of fit. There’s also no guarantees in the draft. 
 

getting josh Allen has made beane and McDermott a lot of money. That’s not to say they’re poor at their job’s rather there’s probably equally talented people who are unemployed because they didn’t have a josh Allen. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, warrior9 said:

So you didn't watch the game? Or do you think that just because he hasn't played? Or do you just not like Beane? Or do you just have no reason for thinking this? 

 

If he isn't better than Benford or Douglas do you want him to play just because of where he was picked? As the OP says, when he plays, he plays well he is just behind very good starters. 

When you take a guy in the 1st, you don't expect him to be no better than a backup

[HurlyBurly51]

1 minute ago, Shortchaz said:

I think there’s some argument for drafting what you perceive to be the best athlete on your board in the first round regardless of fit. There’s also no guarantees in the draft. 
 

getting josh Allen has made beane and McDermott a lot of money. That’s not to say they’re poor at their job’s rather there’s probably equally talented people who are unemployed because they didn’t have a josh Allen. 

back in the drought days we always switched coaches/schemes who inherited the wrong fit so we drafted guys who fit their system and then they got fired and the whole cycle repeated ad infinitum.  At least we're not living in those days anymore😎

[warrior9]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

When you take a guy in the 1st, you don't expect him to be no better than a backup

So you think he should play just because of his draft spot? 

He would be a starter on 25 other teams. 

 

Benford is playing at an All-Pro level right now and Douglas is also playing at a very high level. You can only play so many CBs. He went in today, and played VERY well.... 

 

You'd also be the first person to blame Beane (for lack of depth) once we get to play offs, have injuries, and then we have a scrub play. If Douglas/ Benford get hurt, there is literally no fall off.. I think that says everything. 

Edited November 3 by warrior9

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, warrior9 said:

So you think he should play just because of his draft spot? 

He would be a starter on 25 other teams. 

 

Benford is playing at an All-Pro level right now and Douglas is also playing at a very high level. You can only play so many QBs. He went in today, and played VERY well.... 

 

You'd also be the first person to blame Beane once we get to play offs, have injuries, and then we have a scrub play. If Douglas/ Benford get hurt, there is literally no fall off.. I think that says everything. 

Christ...you EXPECT him to be better than a Benford.  That means your scouting failed and you wasted a 1st round pick.

[warrior9]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Christ...you EXPECT him to be better than a Benford.  That means your scouting failed and you wasted a 1st round pick.

That's your take? So you don't draft other players as well and expect them to be good? We have 3 incredible CBs. Benford is better than him. You take multiple people at a position to find a starter. The draft is a crap shoot. I've never see someone so mad at having depth. It's kind of odd.... He went in today had zero fall off. 

 

So let me get this straight... because he was drafted ahead of Benford, you're mad Elam isn't playing at an All-Pro level because Benford is and he was drafted later? 

Edited November 3 by warrior9

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

the guy plans man, the Bills zone, what would possess you to try to squeeze a round peg into a square hole?  On your 1st round pick?!  I think history has proven that was a mistake. 

The Bills play plenty of man. So maybe it's the scheme and something we don't readily see, but the Bills play the 12th most man coverage in the NFL according to the recent splits. 

[Lafromboise]

Anybody thought it was weird none of the team went with him to celebrate after the recovery. Awkward. There were players that were trying to to tell him to go to the end zone for a celebration but everyone else just walked to the sideline.

Edited November 3 by Lafromboise

[Sojourner]

7 minutes ago, Lafromboise said:

Anybody thought it was weird none of the team went with him to celebrate after the recovery. Awkward

Huh?

 

Smoot and Benford were running with him as soon as he got up…? 

 

Edit: Holy moly, just watched the replay of the full broadcast. That is very weird. Wtf. There isn’t anyone with him. 

Edited November 3 by Sojourner

[HurlyBurly51]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The Bills play plenty of man. So maybe it's the scheme and something we don't readily see, but the Bills play the 12th most man coverage in the NFL according to the recent splits. 

I know that, but you gonna take him in and out whether the call is zone or man?

[somnus00]

24 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

When you take a guy in the 1st, you don't expect him to be no better than a backup

When you take a small school CB in the 6th, you don't expect him to before an elite corner, either. Benford is locking dudes down. That doesn't make Elam a bad CB.