“Replay assist” ???

[Big Turk]

Just now, peterpan said:

Let’s be honest here, there was/is nothing subjective about that holding call.  It simply didn’t happen.

 

Agreed...especially Dawkins who was essentially was flagged for "being too good at your job".

 

But penalties are not reviewable.

Edited November 3 by Big Turk

[Chugga]

6 minutes ago, peterpan said:

So why didn’t they correct the non existent holding call on Allen’s TD? 

That’s the problem.  It happens randomly.  You can go 6 weeks without it happening once then on the Sunday night game it happens 3 times.  There’s no rhyme or reason to when they are watching.

[HansLanda]

2 hours ago, djp14150 said:

Replay assist doesn’t do holding penalties. They can cover obvious mistakes made without coaches having to do challenges 

 

This is true, and it likely won't change anything when it comes to Oline penalties, however I am in favor of the 'assist' idea if they can overturn penalties, specifically in the defensive backfield. It has promise and doesn't require coaching challenges. The NFL will probably never (and probably shouldn't) open Pandora's box for coaches to challenge subjective penalties. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The jets non challenges were 100% correct. People want it every which way.  If they challenged the jets game plays and lost then it would be look at all the lost challenges.  The challenge today instead scratching.   People are hyper critical of this staff for every decision. The thing I would say is in real time you have the time factor where sometimes you have to make a decision without complete info.  That was not today though.  

[ToGoGo]

The answer in the future is AI. Attach mini sensors on all players that can measure force. 
 

The sensors will tell us exactly what penalties are with 100% accuracy. 
 

There will actually be fewer penalties since players will have exact muscle memory trained since penalties will be consistent. 
 

I think we’re 20-25 years away. Tech will be sooner but NFL are slow adopters. 

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, Chugga said:

The idea of replay assist is amazing.  The application of it is awful.

 

Having someone that can clearly correct awful calls is better for the sport of football (especially as reffing tends to get worse).  The problem is these eyes in the sky seemingly only watch one game a week and tend to take lots of pee breaks.

 

I don’t think the answer is “challenge everything” unless you want 5 hour long games

Sky judge is a joke bro. They call what the want to and it alters the game. You can't even challenge their ruling....see last week. 

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about with 5 hour games.  Each team has two challenges.  Those challenges should be able to be used for every call in the game, including bull#### penalties. 

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agreed...especially Dawkins who was essentially was flagged for "being too good at your job".

 

But penalties are not reviewable.

That's the problem.  Penalties should be a challengable event.  When everyone in the damn stadium and on TV can see it was a bad call on replay, you should be able to throw the red flag and overturn the penalty. 

 

It's a no Brainer.  

[Zag20]

The obvious litmus test is if every single person watching the game, literally millions of people, can see within 10 seconds of the play being over that it was a bad call, the call should change. The penalty on Dawkins was inexcusably terrible. It could be argued that that was the best blocking rep of all time. The DE got schooled and fell on his face.

Edited November 3 by Zag20

[Chugga]

4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Sky judge is a joke bro. They call what the want to and it alters the game. You can't even challenge their ruling....see last week. 

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about with 5 hour games.  Each team has two challenges.  Those challenges should be able to be used for every call in the game, including bull#### penalties. 

You’re literally saying what I’m saying.  It’s a joke because it’s not applied properly.  If sky judge did what it could do and did it properly it would be helpful.  The fact that it is poorly and randomly used is what makes it awful.

 

You wouldn’t need the opportunity to “challenge” their decision if their decision was right.  A tool that gets more calls right in a game should be a good thing.  But it’s not used that way

Edited November 3 by Chugga

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Let’s be honest here, there was/is nothing subjective about that holding call.  It simply didn’t happen.

And if a coach was able to throw a red flag and have it reviewed, they would have come to the same conclusion. 

1 minute ago, Chugga said:

You’re literally saying what I’m saying.  It’s a joke because it’s not applied properly.  If sky judge did what it could do and did it properly it would be helpful.  The fact that it is poorly and randomly used is what makes it awful.

It's a joke period because it's not efficient at all and simply allows games to be rigged. 

 

Only the head coach should have thd ability to challenge and they should be able to challenge everything, including penalties. 

 

 

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Sky judge is a joke bro. They call what the want to and it alters the game. You can't even challenge their ruling....see last week. 

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about with 5 hour games.  Each team has two challenges.  Those challenges should be able to be used for every call in the game, including bull#### penalties. 

That's the problem.  Penalties should be a challengable event.  When everyone in the damn stadium and on TV can see it was a bad call on replay, you should be able to throw the red flag and overturn the penalty. 

 

It's a no Brainer.  

 

 

They tried that with replay on PI last year.

 

Blatant DPI was not being overturned and coaches just stopped throwing the flag because they realized it was all a ruse and that it went away after a year because the NFL essentially told replay review to almost never overturn it.

 

It's never happening.

Edited November 3 by Big Turk

[Figster]

Add officiating brainfarts to the red flag challenge.

 

It's that simple to fix...

[Utah John]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Essentially if replay sees an obviously wrong call they signal down for them to change it without anyone having to challenge.

That's basically it.  I guess there's someone watching the game in a studio somewhere, someone with referee experience.  I don't know if there's just one guy watching all the games, and what happens if he's busy fixing a mistake in one game when another game has a problem.  Or if he's hitting the head.  But in theory this should cut the number of egregious mistakes that we all see with the benefit of replay.  It can be a good thing.  Might have some growing pains.

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

They shouldnt do penalties at all. But we've seen them review illegal men down field which is not normally a reviewable play.

Ineligible man down is cut and dry because it has to do with being 1 yr down field.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, peterpan said:

What is “replay assist “??? A few games back, the Jets game, there were a number of calls reversed without review.  Including penalties being reversed.  
 

wtf is replay assist? I had never heard of it before.

 

and where tf was our replay assist on those two obviously incorrect holding calls?  Particularly the second call which negated an amazing TD run by Allen.

 

Seriously what is replay assist and how come it only happens in some games and for some teams?!?!?!!

It seems like NY rarely reverse judgement calls like holding or DPI, though they probably should.  
 

Another bad call was the helmet-to-helmet on Rapp when it was clear Mostert was the one who lowered his head.  
 

With all of the penalties effecting games this season, I’d be surprised if they don’t do more with replay assist next season.  

[Turf Toejam 34]

The Dawkins call was particularly galling.    Literally Chop had his hands swatted down while he was trying to lean in and fell to the turf.    No clutch, nothing on the jersey, just called simply on the way that Chop reacted.    Awful officiating.  

[TFBillsfan]

Looks like the NFL just used it to mitigate a flag thrown for illegal block in the back for a Rams TD return!

 

Who knows what rationale they use!

[Xwnyer]

They need to fire this guy, he has failed them on stuff they should have reviewed versus today it was t close to review worthy

[That's No Moon]

51 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Ineligible man down is cut and dry because it has to do with being 1 yr down field.

And yet we've seen it go to review, with a flag picked up.

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

They can't correct subjective calls like penalties...it's objective calls like fumble/not fumble, in bounds/not in bounds, down by contact/ not down by contact, catch/not catch etc...

 

The Colts scored a TD on a fumble recovery tonight after strip sacking Darnold. However, the official threw a flag and it was almost certainly going to be a roughing the passer that wiped out the TD, or a facemask. But in slow motion replay you could clearly see the facemask was not actually grabbed and it was a clean sack that just looked bad in real time. The officials then announced that there was no penalty and the TD stood... So that seems like a situation where the enigmatic eye in the sky stepped in and said "pick up the flag, it wasn't a penalty."

 

As I mentioned in the live game thread these sorts of reversals do sometimes happen after apparent intervention from the league office, but seemingly only in primetime games that they know everyone is watching. In a random 1PM matchup there's no accountability. There's no reason that system couldn't be applied to every single game, it would take all of 10 seconds for a neutral observer to call down that Torrence did not hold and Allen's TD should stand. Because it's not just a subjective call, it objectively was not a hold. Period. It's also flat out better for the league that an exciting player gets an exciting TD in his highlight package. Literally everybody involved loses when the officials are allowed to make objectively incorrect calls and no one will reverse it unless it's a primetime game.

 

The whole system is broken but the NFL doesn't care because it isn't costing them any money. They go the extra mile in primetime games because a widely viewed game could create controversy and controversy could lose money. That's all it comes down to.

[That's No Moon]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agreed...especially Dawkins who was essentially was flagged for "being too good at your job".

 

But penalties are not reviewable.

Except when they review them anyway.