Von Miller vs Mario Williams

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

mario by a mile. his playing time as a bill and what he achieved (43 sacks in 4 seasons) on the field. he wasn't having any of rex ryans defense and unfortunately he was released after 4 seasons. the crazy thing was his contract though of $100 million at the time. spending all that dough on a player coming to a team that wasn't even going to sniff the playoffs. williams on the other hand, he's been injured and brought some shade to his reputation outside of football and in turn causing him to lose 4 games. he had a pretty good start to the season with 3 sacks but the defense actually has held up quite well without his presence on the field. we'll see what he does now that he's back from suspension. he's played 28 games for the bills so far and has a total of 11 (3 in 24 - 8 in 22) sacks.

 

no brainer in this one

 

 

 

To say that they weren't even going to "sniff the playoffs" is just hindsight.   They had the talent to be a wild card team,  they were just poorly coached on the defensive side of the ball that first season.   They were a hell of a lot better than that Broncos team they stomped late in the year which went on to win a playoff game.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Yes, I think this is accurate.  Von has not yet been a difference maker for this team.  Mario was a difference maker, even though the team still stunk.

 

Idk what a difference maker even is when the team missed the playoffs every year and never beat their division rival when they played their starters 😂. I don’t think Mario was even in a position where he could be a difference maker 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

That Rex hire… Yikes. How he turned the #4 in total defense and #1 in sacks from 2014 into #15 total and #31 for sacks the following year turned me off him completely. 
 

 

 

"When I looked at who they got #4 is disappointing truthfully. We're going to be #1 in defense next year that is just a fact."

 

Rex Ryan's introductory presser. 

[SoTier]

14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Remains to be determined. If Von comes back and helps us win a couple playoff games (dare I say a Super Bowl?) then it's Von. Better signing because signing him was signing a player who could put you over the top. Signing Mario was always dumb because that team was nowhere near ready to compete with the big boys.

 

Even if Von doesn't help the Bills get to the SB, his was the better signing because the Bills were actually trying to build a SB team.  A player can't help getting hurt. 

 

The Bills signed Mario Williams simply to put butts in the seats.  They needed a big name to once again con fans into supporting a team that always put profit ahead of winning during Russ Brandon's reign.  Williams played for the Bills from 2012 through 2015, making All Pro in 2013 and 2014, but his success was personal because the cast around him lacked talent.  His HCs were Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan.  The QBs for the Bills were Ryan Fitzpatrick,  EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton, and Tyrod Taylor.  The Bills went 6-10, 6-10, 9-7, and 8-8 and never made the playoffs with Williams on the team. 

[dgrochester55]

Mario had a much bigger impact on the team. He was a big part of some pretty decent defenses including the 2014 defense which almost singlehandedly got us into the playoffs with Kyle Orton as quarterback. It wasn't his fault that that Buffalo gave up on Fitz in 2012 with no other viable option on the roster and forced our own hand into drafting a QB in what might be the worst QB draft class of all time.

 

Miller was a signing intended to be that last piece to boost Buffalo from playoff contender to Superbowl contender. The injury has obviously made this signing a let down, but he was starting to look good again before the suspension.

 

I agree with the general consensus that Williams is easily the more impactful signing unless Buffalo wins a Super Bowl while Miller is having a Pro Bowl caliber year

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

"When I looked at who they got #4 is disappointing truthfully. We're going to be #1 in defense next year that is just a fact."

 

Rex Ryan's introductory presser. 

I really couldn't stand that blabbermouth. I wanted Schwartz to stay. either as dc or hc. ryan was a terrible hire.

[thenorthremembers]

54 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good point. We should have just assumed the qb wasn’t good enough and not tried. 
 

they literally almost made the playoffs at 9-7 and beat prime Rodgers without scoring an offensive td. 
 

Josh Allen on those Bills teams might win the SB

God, I hate Trent Murphy. And Star. 
 

Beane has a lot of strengths. D line evaluation is not one of them. 

 

Star is easy to dislike because he was just plain sloppy and lazy.   He had all the talent in the world and none of the drive at that point in his career.   Trent was a bit of the opposite.  Decent player coming off of a bad injury.  At the very least he put in effort.

 

 

[DapperCam]

Von hurts more because his overpriced contract is limiting the Bills options when they have a HOF QB in his prime.

 

Bills weren’t winning anything with Mario. It was more about signaling that the Bills were serious about trying to make the playoffs.

[NewEra]

We can conclude this at the end of vons tenure. 

 

If we win a Super Bowl and Von makes some critical plays along the way, Von is clearly the better signing 

 

If we don’t, Mario is

[eball]

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

"When I looked at who they got #4 is disappointing truthfully. We're going to be #1 in defense next year that is just a fact."

 

Rex Ryan's introductory presser. 

 

I hate myself for being sucked in by that blowhard.  The only games he cared about while coaching the Bills were the two against the Jets each year.

 

[Dan Darragh]

What about Marcel Darius?  Our signing him to a contract with $60m in guaranteed money in 2015 should rank right up there. He had 2 sacks that year.  The next year he had a 4 game suspension for substance abuse, and had a whopping 3.5 sacks.

 

In Marcel's defense, we did get Wyatt Teller with the pick we got from Jax when we traded him.  That worked out pretty well.

Edited 2 hours ago by Dan Darragh

[gordong]

Mario was no Bruce Smith (Smith was a dominate player) Mario was a good player but not dominate 

[Shaw66]

If the question is "Who has been more productive," I don't think there's a lot to discuss. Many people have demonstrated that Mario had the better career in Buffalo, at least to date.  That could change, of course, with one timely sack by Von in the Super Bowl. 

 

But the question was which was the better signing?  To that, I'd say they were equally good.  Mario never turned out to be worth all the Bills paid him, but it was an important signing in Bills' history. It made the Bills relevant for the first time in a long time. The conventional wisdom at the time was that no top-end free agents would sign with the Bills, because no one wanted to play in Buffalo and Buffalo was consistently cheap - good free agents LEFT Buffalo, they didn't go TO Buffalo.  The Bills sent a message to the league when they signed Mario - "We ARE relevant, and we WILL be good."  Of course, the message was premature, but it still marked something of a turning point for the franchise. 

 

The Miller signing was great for another reason. The Bills looked like they were one player - an impact player - away from the Super Bowl, and there was no greater impact player available than Von. In fact, the Rams acquired Miller for that reason, and to the surprise of the league, the Bills took him away from the Rams.  It hasn't worked out as the Bills had hoped, but who knows what would have happened if Mario hadn't torn up his knee?  

 

In both cases, the Bills' GM went after a great player and got him. Both signings were great, among the best in Bills' history. 

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

All things considered throw Jerry Hughes into that mix. And people at first will think that’s crazy, but the guy’s production for us was excellent 

[Another Fan]

9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If the question is "Who has been more productive," I don't think there's a lot to discuss. Many people have demonstrated that Mario had the better career in Buffalo, at least to date.  That could change, of course, with one timely sack by Von in the Super Bowl. 

 

But the question was which was the better signing?  To that, I'd say they were equally good.  Mario never turned out to be worth all the Bills paid him, but it was an important signing in Bills' history. It made the Bills relevant for the first time in a long time. The conventional wisdom at the time was that no top-end free agents would sign with the Bills, because no one wanted to play in Buffalo and Buffalo was consistently cheap - good free agents LEFT Buffalo, they didn't go TO Buffalo.  The Bills sent a message to the league when they signed Mario - "We ARE relevant, and we WILL be good."  Of course, the message was premature, but it still marked something of a turning point for the franchise. 

 

The Miller signing was great for another reason. The Bills looked like they were one player - an impact player - away from the Super Bowl, and there was no greater impact player available than Von. In fact, the Rams acquired Miller for that reason, and to the surprise of the league, the Bills took him away from the Rams.  It hasn't worked out as the Bills had hoped, but who knows what would have happened if Mario hadn't torn up his knee?  

 

In both cases, the Bills' GM went after a great player and got him. Both signings were great, among the best in Bills' history. 

 

 

I’m on record as saying the Mario signing was disappointing overall.  To me my expectation was with that kind of contract he got I expect a generational Josh Allen type of talent/performance.  
 

But I do remember his signing was a real big deal too to actually see a top player like him want to come and play in Buffalo.  I think Gailey sets some credit for building that culture at the time.  

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I’m on record as saying the Mario signing was disappointing overall.  To me my expectation was with that kind of contract he got I expect a generational Josh Allen type of talent/performance.  
 

But I do remember his signing was a real big deal too to actually see a top player like him want to come and play in Buffalo.  I think Gailey sets some credit for building that culture at the time.  

I agree about Williams. 

 

As for Miller, the book is still open on him. I'm expecting some big sacks from him in the next three months.