Von Miller vs Mario Williams

[peterpan]

Mario Williams was a great signing.  The Rex Ryan hire was terrible for him and the team tho. 

[The Jokeman]

13 hours ago, Cuboirs said:

Who was a better signing by the Bills? Mario or Von?

Without a doubt Mario. 

58 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Mario Williams was a great signing.  The Rex Ryan hire was terrible for him and the team tho. 

Yup, in retrospect maybe we should have given the HC job to Shwartz.

Edited 2 hours ago by The Jokeman

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

Yup, in retrospect maybe we should have given the HC job to Shwart. 

 

They should either have hired Schwartz or hired an offensive Head Coach who was going to leave Schwartz in total control of the defense - which in fairness to him (he got plenty wrong but not this) is what Doug Whaley implored the Pegulas to do. They ignored him and hired Rex.

[st pete gogolak]

12 hours ago, DJB said:

I’m going with Chris Kelsay as the best DE

Remember when Bills moved Kelsay to OLB when they switched to a 3 - 4?  Good times.

[JP51]

Mario

[RobbRiddick]

Mario, but if Von sacks Mahomes on 4th down in the AFC championship game as the Chiefs are trying to drive for the winning score then he instantly goes above him, gets forgiven for his assault and gets a statue outside the new stadium.

[FireChans]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They should either have hired Schwartz or hired an offensive Head Coach who was going to leave Schwartz in total control of the defense - which in fairness to him (he got plenty wrong but not this) is what Doug Whaley implored the Pegulas to do. They ignored him and hired Rex.

Excuse me. 
 

Doug wanted them to hire HUE JACKSON. 
 

Arguably the worst HC of all time. A worse winning percentage than Jim Tomsula.

 

It wasn’t ANY offensive coach. It was an actual “offensive” coach.

[The Jokeman]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Excuse me. 
 

Doug wanted them to hire HUE JACKSON. 
 

Arguably the worst HC of all time. A worse winning percentage than Jim Tomsula.

 

It wasn’t ANY offensive coach. It was an actual “offensive” coach.

To be fair Jackson at that time looked good as he did good things with Flacco in Baltimore as well as a half way decent job in Oakland. In retrospect yeah he was horrible coach as I can still remember his blame game in Cleveland on Hard Knocks and thinking what a non leader he was. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

mario by a mile. his playing time as a bill and what he achieved (43 sacks in 4 seasons) on the field. he wasn't having any of rex ryans defense and unfortunately he was released after 4 seasons. the crazy thing was his contract though of $100 million at the time. spending all that dough on a player coming to a team that wasn't even going to sniff the playoffs. miller on the other hand, he's been injured and brought some shade to his reputation outside of football and in turn causing him to lose 4 games. he had a pretty good start to the season with 3 sacks but the defense actually has held up quite well without his presence on the field. we'll see what he does now that he's back from suspension. he's played 28 games for the bills so far and has a total of 11 (3 in 24 - 8 in 22) sacks.

 

no brainer in this one

 

Edited 1 hour ago by DaBillsFanSince1973

[C.Biscuit97]

14 hours ago, Cuboirs said:

Who was a better signing by the Bills? Mario or Von?

Is this a serious question? Mario had one of the best defensive seasons in Bills history. He helped spear head a d line that had 4 guys with 10+ sacks and a top 3 defense. If we any qb besides EJ and that coward Orton, our defense would have made us a dangerous playoff team. 
 

Von’s biggest contribution has been giving glasses to kids (very nice) and maybe not beating his baby mama. One of the worst signings in team history.

12 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

Mario was great when he wanted to be..he also had a lot of help on that line.

when the D changed and he couldnt just rush the passer he checked out.

Mario could have been an all time great if he wanted to be (same with Dareus). God made him to be a DE. But he’s lacked that Kyle Williams/ Aaron Donald motor. And he was still really good. 

[T master]

14 hours ago, Cuboirs said:

Who was a better signing by the Bills? Mario or Von?

 

Mario by far !! His sack numbers were through the roof the entire time well until Rex got here but he was a great player in the scheme that D coordinator Schwartz had while here . 

[C.Biscuit97]

13 hours ago, Low Positive said:

The Mario Williams signing was stupid. Spending big in FA on a pass rusher when the team doesn't have a QB is something that bad teams do. He could have had 20 sacks and that team still misses the playoffs with EJ Manuel.

Good point. We should have just assumed the qb wasn’t good enough and not tried. 
 

they literally almost made the playoffs at 9-7 and beat prime Rodgers without scoring an offensive td. 
 

Josh Allen on those Bills teams might win the SB

14 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Trent Murphy has the same number of sacks as a Buffalo Bill as Von does.     Mario Addison was probably a better free agent signing than Von.   Mario Williams is the 2nd or 3rd most productive defensive end the Bills ever had, its not even a discussion. 

God, I hate Trent Murphy. And Star. 
 

Beane has a lot of strengths. D line evaluation is not one of them. 

[Jauronimo]

I would say the Mario signing single handedly changed the narrative that Buffalo was too cheap and too irrelevant to ever land a big free agent.  Mario was the biggest prize of that free agency period and the Bills gave him the biggest non QB contract in NFL history at the time.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I feel like this is an unanswerable question.  Like can the Texans compare Diggs’ time with them this full season to someone healthy after this year is up?

 

Von blew out his knee and was not himself last season but the start of 2022/start of 2024 he had 11 sacks in 15.5 games.  People talk about him like he’s been a jag his whole time here lol I think we’ve gotta see how he finishes out this year 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Mario Williams was a great signing.  The Rex Ryan hire was terrible for him and the team tho. 

There are rumors in Jetsland they are going to bring him back.  Not kidding.  Isn't that insane???

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Excuse me. 
 

Doug wanted them to hire HUE JACKSON. 
 

Arguably the worst HC of all time. A worse winning percentage than Jim Tomsula.

 

It wasn’t ANY offensive coach. It was an actual “offensive” coach.

 

Yes, Hue was his guy. That is true. But even going into the process he was saying "this should be Schwartz or an offensive guy". By the end of the process he was team Hue and had practically offered him the job without realising his bosses were hiring Rex. 

[bmur66]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Maybe it was but his first three seasons here he was exceptional and only JJ Watt and Justin Houston outsacked him across those three years in the entire league. 

 

Then Rex thought he'd make a good coverage player.

Yes, he was the real deal. Unfortunately, the rest of the team wasn't

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Mario Williams was a great signing.  The Rex Ryan hire was terrible for him and the team tho. 

That Rex hire… Yikes. How he turned the #4 in total defense and #1 in sacks from 2014 into #15 total and #31 for sacks the following year turned me off him completely. 
 

 

[eball]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Von ends up being a critical piece in a Superbowl team I might change my mind. Until then it isn't close.

 

Yes, I think this is accurate.  Von has not yet been a difference maker for this team.  Mario was a difference maker, even though the team still stunk.

 

[nedboy7]

Toohill was the better signing.