Von Miller vs Mario Williams

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Based on the thread on here, that Mario Williams thread was epic. Probably the greatest topic thread on the history of this board.

 

i believe that’s when most of us discovered F5. 
 

I still remember the rumors of the dinner at Tempo, and seeing Wannstedt escort MW in the airport! 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Mario Williams was an absolute monster, thanks Rex 

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Based on the thread on here, that Mario Williams thread was epic. Probably the greatest topic thread on the history of this board.

 

i believe that’s when most of us discovered F5. 
 

I still remember the rumors of the dinner at Tempo, and seeing Wannstedt escort MW in the airport! 

BBMB was absolute insanity as well. 
 

I have two #94 jerseys, I hate the way things ended with him.

[Comebackkid]

Mario was great when he wanted to be..he also had a lot of help on that line.

when the D changed and he couldnt just rush the passer he checked out.

[Another Fan]

18 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Based on the thread on here, that Mario Williams thread was epic. Probably the greatest topic thread on the history of this board.

 

i believe that’s when most of us discovered F5. 
 

I still remember the rumors of the dinner at Tempo, and seeing Wannstedt escort MW in the airport! 

I wasn't using the site at the time but I've heard that as well.  I was also very psyched when the Bills signed him.

 

 His first year he was all right in 2012.  In 2013 & 2014 he had good years under Marrone & Schwartz.  Then in 2015 he kind of regressed when rex was the coach.  

 

During his time here he was still better than Von so far.  But I mean as you alluded with the epic threads and I think he had the highest contract for a defense player at the time......  I expected a generational type talent.  My unpopular opinion is he was kinda disappointing overall from expectations.  

[947]

19 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

Mario was great when he wanted to be..he also had a lot of help on that line.

when the D changed and he couldn't just rush the passer he checked out.

 

 

This really highlights how stupid it was to hire Rex as head coach. We had an elite pass-rusher and a dominant 4-3 Defense, and we hire a guy who's only plan is to scrap our current defensive scheme & spend 2 years wasting good players and having bad results, while never even getting the correct personnel to run his scheme.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Mario easily. He was the biggest free agent prize at the time, and a game wrecker with the Texans. Plenty of fans here bag on him,but he was super productive here for a three year span before Wrecks and Father Time tag teamed him.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Mario and it's not close.

[Comebackkid]

36 minutes ago, 947 said:

 

This really highlights how stupid it was to hire Rex as head coach. We had an elite pass-rusher and a dominant 4-3 Defense, and we hire a guy who's only plan is to scrap our current defensive scheme & spend 2 years wasting good players and having bad results, while never even getting the correct personnel to run his scheme.

this basically the futile rinse and repeat theme we carried on with for 20 years.   

everything that was good that we accomplished under poor coaches, we brought in new ones that

did a comeplete 180 with their own brand of under achievement.   

they then proceeded to throw all the good out with the bad.

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, 97bills said:

Mario, he was still in his prime, not even close to me. 

Completely agree but the pre injury Von and 24 pre suspension Von has been elite.

Praying he keeps it up and is truly the closer

[Charles Romes]

Still wondering what happened to Mario that fourth year. He actually outplayed the $100M contract the first three years, all erased from memory due to the rexed year. 

[Nephilim17]

Let's save this dicussion till after the playoffs are done.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

The Mario Williams signing was stupid. Spending big in FA on a pass rusher when the team doesn't have a QB is something that bad teams do. He could have had 20 sacks and that team still misses the playoffs with EJ Manuel.

 

I don't get the thinking here. Where else were the Bills going to spend their money? They weren't going to spend it on EJ Manuel and they weren't going to sign or trade for an elite QB (they're basically never available anyway if they are elite). I don't see anything wrong with spending it on one of the premier positions in the league. Look at the Steelers, they've been relevant these last few seasons almost entirely because of an elite edge player.

 

 

[bmur66]

Signing Mario was just a stunt to sell seats

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Signing Mario was just a stunt to sell seats

 

Maybe it was but his first three seasons here he was exceptional and only JJ Watt and Justin Houston outsacked him across those three years in the entire league. 

 

Then Rex thought he'd make a good coverage player.

[skibum]

Technically, it's too early to judge until Von's time here is finished, but as of right now it's Mario by a very, very wide margin. 

[transient]

10 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Based on the thread on here, that Mario Williams thread was epic. Probably the greatest topic thread on the history of this board.

 

i believe that’s when most of us discovered F5. 
 

I still remember the rumors of the dinner at Tempo, and seeing Wannstedt escort MW in the airport! 

…ground up and in the freezer, deers, Luke Russert’s mom…

[Another Fan]

9 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I don't get the thinking here. Where else were the Bills going to spend their money? They weren't going to spend it on EJ Manuel and they weren't going to sign or trade for an elite QB (they're basically never available anyway if they are elite). I don't see anything wrong with spending it on one of the premier positions in the league. Look at the Steelers, they've been relevant these last few seasons almost entirely because of an elite edge player.

 

 

Fitz was still quarterback when Mario got signed to that deal.

 

2012 was probably the most disappointing season I had as a Bills fan.  At least today winning the AfC East seems a given.  

[FireChans]

Is the next topic going to be, “who was a better acquisition, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Josh Allen”

[Ray Stonada]

IF Von makes important plays (sacks, forced fumbles, pressures) in the playoffs, especially against the Chiefs, and we win the Super Bowl, he will overtake Mario in my book.  

[dpberr]

Mario Williams, had the Bills not changed defensive strategies (from Jim Schwartz to Rex Ryan), both he (and Marcel Dareus) would have had longer careers in Buffalo. Williams played four years of his contract and missed just one game.  

 

Right now, Von Miller is on the Top Ten list of this team's all time worst free agent signings - up there with expensive mediocrity like Derrick Dockery and Langston Walker.  

Edited 1 hour ago by dpberr