Receiver separation is still BAD

[The Wiz]

50 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

That pass to Keon in the Titans game, while it had a lot of separation, it was not a deep ball in the true definition of one. Allen is fine with those passes like the one you describe.  Deep ball to me are those passes that are lofted 40+ air yards down the field. Allen tends to throw those without enough loft. Getting a speedy receiver wouldn't necessarily fix his weakness in that area. 

Well we don't have the receivers to run free and sit under it or adjust like most teams do so the concept is the same.  It's either someone got beat badly and had no help over top or someone was way faster.  

 

Either way, you can throw it to an area in those times and not have to drop it in the bucket for a contested catch.

 

That's the point I was making.

[billsfan89]

Once Cooper gets going he's gonna be that true breaker route runner. I do agree there isn't that true elite speed burner out there just yet. I am hoping that Samuel can get his toe healthy and be that guy that can add some pop of speed to the offense. Samuel ran a 4.31 and while he's never been more than an average ypc player in the NFL he's also never been utilized consistently from the boundary or in a more "gadget" situation. 

 

I think as the Bills offense gets more and more film on it a good way to add wrinkles to the offense to stay ahead of coordinators adjustments is to get Samuel into a role where he's a "supped up" gadget player. With Cooper/Coleman/Shakir as the top 3 WR there is a really good chance to have Samuel and Knox put in more unique situations. The team goes 4 wide Samuel can do things like jet sweeps, reverses, and deep shots down the field. Knox could be used more like a Full Back and out the backfield more. Lots of room for creativity with those two players in more complementary roles. 

[GASabresIUFan]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I just did…. that was a full season average for all QB’s (2021).

2021? Seriously?  
 

How about current stats.

[Roundybout]

*clears throat*

 

 

 

[notpolian]

Anyone know a good voodoo witch doctor that can lay an inverse hex on Cooper's wrist?   We need him on the field.

Edited Wednesday at 06:13 PM by notpolian

[Andrew Son]

25 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

*clears throat*

 

 

 

It's interesting seeing different QB's from the same team.  For example, Dalton and Young.  Those receivers seem to separate a lot better for Andy!

[vtnatefootball11]

5 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

It's interesting seeing different QB's from the same team.  For example, Dalton and Young.  Those receivers seem to separate a lot better for Andy!

 

Haha agreed. It would be amazing to see if it could be relied upon but unfortunately there is no way to accurately measure this type of thing, too many variables in respect to individual separation on a given route and subjectivity in terms of measuring that. Nothing illustrates how much this can't be trusted better than qbs on the same team playing with the same receivers yet have wildly different average separation.

[uticaclub]

11 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

It's interesting seeing different QB's from the same team.  For example, Dalton and Young.  Those receivers seem to separate a lot better for Andy!

Audibles and play calling

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Audibles and play calling

or maybe Andy throws with anticipation whereas Young holds on to the ball and throws when the receiver is open. I'm not sure as don't watch Carolina on the regular. 

[uticaclub]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

or maybe Andy throws with anticipation whereas Young holds on to the ball and throws when the receiver is open. I'm not sure as don't watch Carolina on the regular. 

Same, I just guessed Dalton is more comfortable changing the play at the LOS and is able to operate with a larger playbook, but you make a valid point.

[Tulsabillsfanz]

Excuse me for asking, but this the first time time looking at this chart.   For Josh , it looks like he is slightly above average on his accuracy, but he has receivers who are very bad at getting open, relative to the rest of the league? 
 

If so, that would’ve been my guess before looking at that chart.  .

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 10/29/2024 at 7:00 PM, Roundybout said:

 

 

Like really bad. I’m glad Coleman can get jump balls because yikes. 
 

I still feel that we’re missing a true burner, someone for Josh to just chuck it and let him run underneath it. 

I just listened to Reception Perception and Matt Harmon said on Coleman’s routes he’s stopped trying to separate and just carries the corner on his hip all the way down the field.

 

They’ve maintained from the start his best position is Big Slot, too bad the Bills have too many slots already. 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Audibles and play calling

Yep. Probably need to dumb it down for the younger QB and add additional protections.  Less receivers running routes and they are easier to cover.

[Rich Stadium Original]

So in the "battle" for league MVP, one QB frontrunner is throwing to the most open receiving corps in the league, and the other is throwing to pretty much the most covered.

It should be noted that wide open also leads to yards after catch also padding your passing stats and limiting interceptions.

[Don Otreply]

I know a couple of stats that should end this thread,

 

The Buffalo Bills are about to clinch their division in the next couple of weeks, and are presently 8-2 with receivers that can’t get separation, talk about getting lost in the weeds staring at stats/charts, lol, 😁👍🍸🚬

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

*clears throat*

 

 

 

 

Not surprising to anyone who watches the All-22 weekly.

[uticaclub]

17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I know a couple of stats that should end this thread,

 

The Buffalo Bills are about to clinch their division in the next couple of weeks, and are presently 8-2 with receivers that can’t get separation, talk about getting lost in the weeds staring at stats/charts, lol, 😁👍🍸🚬

 

GO BILLS!!!

No one cares about clinching a weak division if we are just going to lose in the playoffs again to superior teams.

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I know a couple of stats that should end this thread,

 

The Buffalo Bills are about to clinch their division in the next couple of weeks, and are presently 8-2 with receivers that can’t get separation, talk about getting lost in the weeds staring at stats/charts, lol, 😁👍🍸🚬

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

This would be a good argument if we didn’t have a losing record against teams with a winning record.

 

But as it stands, we have beaten 0 teams who currently hold a playoff spot. In fact, we are 0-2 against teams who currently are in a playoff spot.

 

And unfortunately, we will be playing good teams in the playoffs. So beating up against bottom feeders won’t help up as that time.

 

Beating the Chiefs will go a long way toward changing that perception, but until we actually do it, not getting separation against bad teams is … well … just that. 

[TheWei44]

48 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This would be a good argument if we didn’t have a losing record against teams with a winning record.

 

But as it stands, we have beaten 0 teams who currently hold a playoff spot. In fact, we are 0-2 against teams who currently are in a playoff spot.

 

And unfortunately, we will be playing good teams in the playoffs. So beating up against bottom feeders won’t help up as that time.

 

Beating the Chiefs will go a long way toward changing that perception, but until we actually do it, not getting separation against bad teams is … well … just that. 

Dead wrong - AZ holds a playoff spot.  And I'd argue we have other "quality" wins e.g. most recently against the Fish.  That said, I understand we've had a fairly easy schedule - Toughens up alot over the next several weeks and will be a good test.

Edited Wednesday at 09:35 PM by TheWei44

[jletha]

On 10/30/2024 at 7:09 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

That pass to Keon in the Titans game, while it had a lot of separation, it was not a deep ball in the true definition of one. Allen is fine with those passes like the one you describe.  Deep ball to me are those passes that are lofted 40+ air yards down the field. Allen tends to throw those without enough loft. Getting a speedy receiver wouldn't necessarily fix his weakness in that area. 

Josh can hit "deep balls" when defined by yards down field because he has zero problem with deep crossers and deep dig routes. He just struggles with straight go routes at the hashes that require over the should catches.