MikePJ76 Posted October 30 Posted October 30 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’d be fine with that trade. What I find so interesting how vehemently some of you still believe in Kaiir. He’s a third year first round pick that can’t get on the field. I can’t remember the last time a player like that worked out. Over and over again we reference how his value is completely in the toilet I.e. no one wants him particularly much, but he’s also “very valuable” as a depth piece. confusing to say the least. I didn’t think the idea of trading a third year first round pick who does not play, does not fit our system, and has effectively been replaced/outplayed by Douglas, Benford, Dane Jackson would be so controversial. This was just supposed to be a fun thread about trades! I mean, if Cole Bishop can’t see the field 3 years from now, I’ll consider him a massive bust. And he’s only a second rounder! So yeah, I consider Elam a massive bust. I have serious doubts he makes the team next year if he’s not traded before then. Again, Elam may have saved a playoff game last year with his interception in the endzone. yet you keep saying he is not good depth. you are dying to give a way a player for no reason. like I said though, Call Dallas offer his straight up for Aubrey. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted October 30 Author Posted October 30 (edited) 28 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who is talking about being a bust? Maybe you can move the goal posts even further next time. YES, CURRENTLY SPEAKING- ELAM IS OBVIOUSLY A BUST. That doesn’t mean anything with regards to him being our best backup boundary corner in 2024 and possibly competing for a starting spot in 2025…..which was our conversation……until you decide to move the goal posts. night mang If he’s currently a total and complete bust, I really do not see the handwringing over trading him for whatever “depth” he provides or the “chance” he competes for a job in 2025. It’s far more likely he’s cut/traded in camp. It’s far more likely if he had to start this year due to injury, he’d suck. Hes not in their future plans. Hes not good. I’m sure McD and co can find some street FA to play at his level if they needed to due to dire injury. It’s not like if they traded away Elam, they wouldn’t start working out CB’s anyway. Very bizarre lines of thought here. 25 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Again, Elam may have saved a playoff game last year with his interception in the endzone. yet you keep saying he is not good depth. you are dying to give a way a player for no reason. like I said though, Call Dallas offer his straight up for Aubrey. That’s great for Elam. Hamlin has 3 picks on the year that were big plays. He’s still a terrible player, just like Elam. The Bills were up 14-0 when Elam got his pick FYI. The Steelers never got within less than 7 points that game. Hardly a game saving play. Edited October 30 by FireChans Quote
DrPJax Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Things are going to keep getting weird as trade deadline is near. Jax just traded its starting left tackle to the Vikings and all they got was a 2026 5 th round pick that can elevate to a 4 based on playing time. He was just cleared from concussion protocol but was a healthy scratch last Sunday against the packers. He is owed 10 mil this year and hits the FA market next year. They just plugged in the second strung tackle who has a contract thru 2025. Hard to believe all the Vikings gave up for a starting tackle ( Robinson is his name I think) is a 5 th rounder in 2026! Just a side thought , it seems we never get a break. Tua is back and the fins looked better , and we will probably face flacco unless the colts lose or are just sending a 1 game lesson for the qb tapping out. I don’t know but listening to prior football players , that guy really screwed up and he will need to do a Lot to regain their respect. Colts are a good club, and better with Flacco unfortunately. Dude had to tap out right before we have to go there. Ravens also added another fast wr , so they aren’t sitting still. Hope Beane is still looking , esp if we could get some value for a 2026 pick. ✌️😊 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Nah, the most you are getting from a guy still on the bench in year 3 is a late future day 3 pick. I suspect the Bills believe he is more valuable than that as a depth piece right now. If someone offered a mid round pick however.... well they'd pack him off as quickly as they could. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted October 30 Posted October 30 They should have traded him after year 1 when he still had some value but back then they had no depth. He will not be replacing Douglas next year. Fully expect a CB with one of the first 3 picks Quote
Rochesterfan Posted October 30 Posted October 30 6 hours ago, FireChans said: Over and over again we reference how his value is completely in the toilet I.e. no one wants him particularly much, but he’s also “very valuable” as a depth piece. confusing to say the least. Come on man - you are better than this. Almost no 3rd string players have value. Those are not the guys teams trade. Teams trade for starting level players - Cooper, Adams, Hopkins, Cam Robinson, etc. - and those starting level players return 5th and 6th round picks - so no Elam does not have value - neither does Ingram or Lewis. That fact does not change the fact that Elam is a fine depth piece as @NewEra has said. He is our #3 depth corner at the boundary - it has been great that he has not had to play because it means the starters are healthy. Lewis was filling in for Johnson and only saw snaps as the dime inside DB the last 2 games. Ingram was filling in for Lewis as Dime and has not played defense the last 2 weeks with people healthy - they have specific roles. Whether they trade Elam or not ends up irrelevant- if they trade him - the Bills would need to find another boundary corner because Ingram and Lewis are not that and they need depth at that spot. He provides depth and the fact that he is not worth anything on the trade market also is consistent because anything beyond top end starter have little value, but they have more value to their current team with playbook knowledge and specific roles. 1 2 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted October 30 Posted October 30 12 hours ago, FireChans said: Trade deadline day is coming. Elam sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes to dangling for trade bait. His value is shot for the most part, but he has at least a first round prospect pedigree. I can imagine there's a team or two that may gamble on his upside along with a pick. Looking at the NFL landscape, Titans, Panthers, Browns, Saints and Giants look to be potential sellers in this market. I am excluding the Jets and the Pats as they are divisional rivals and would be unlikely to make any kind of trade with us. Here are some of the players I would have interest in. Titans: Jeffrey Simmons. A true elite force on the DL. 1.5 years removed from back to back All-Pro teams. Was injured to end the year last year and the Titans are an actual disaster. I think Elam + 1st gets this done and is probably close to fair value. Browns: Myles Garrett or Wyatt Teller Garrett's resume speaks for itself. He does seem to be picking up nagging injuries every year but hey, he's still elite. I don't think Elam + 1st gets this done, probably need a second or third at least. Wyatt Teller is a good OG. He's not worth Elam and a first. Browns probably jump at that. Elam and a 4th or two though? Tough call. Panthers: There is no one on this roster worth a first. There are a few player barely worth Elam and stuff. Pass. Saints: Mathieu or Lattimore Mathieu may be worth Elam with a late round pick swap. Still a good safety but lots of tread. He has been considerably healthy. I am intrigued by this one. Lattimore is still a great CB, but he's more of a man corner. Would probably take Elam and at least a second, and we don't have a CB need/not a great system fit. Pass Giants: Darius Slayton Free Darius Slayton. For real. This guy is Darnell Mooney 2.0, a solid WR who is absolutely languishing with a bad QB. Elam and a 4th/5th gets this done I think? He is good injury insurance and pushes Mack to his more natural role of "gunner." Who do you guys got? Elam amd a pick will get you a ham sandwhich. Quote
Ya Digg? Posted October 30 Posted October 30 I don’t get why Elam is ever mentioned in any trade scenario. At no point has anyone made a logical argument as to why he should be traded, other than “he’s a first round pick that can’t get in the field” what team wants to trade for that? Just trying to trade him because you were able to trade him on your Madden franchise mode does not mean it makes sense for the Bills to trade him. The fact is he has much more value to the Bills than a future year’s 6th round pick. As many have said if Benford or Douglas go down, he’s in the game. The Bills lost the KC playoff game in large part because they had injuries and didn’t have enough depth-sounds like some of you want to potentially play that game again Quote
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 30 Posted October 30 13 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said: The Kaiir Elam situation is just bizarre. He's apparently not good enough to play and has been passed by guys like Ja'Marcus Ingram and Cam Lewis on the depth chart, yet he's not bad enough to get cut. He's also not good enough to at least showcase in the 4th quarter of a blowout to raise his trade value. He hasn't gotten in trouble off the field and doesn't have a clear reason to be in the doghouse with the coaching staff. He plays relatively well in spot duty and seemed to up his game in the playoffs. Kaiir Elam is an enigma. Not sure what you mean here. He does play in the 4th quarter of blow outs. Quote
RichRiderBills Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Man I don't trade him. Keep him for the run. We are 1 injury away from needing him. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 30 Posted October 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: They should have traded him after year 1 when he still had some value but back then they had no depth. He will not be replacing Douglas next year. Fully expect a CB with one of the first 3 picks Yep me too. Elam, a dust settles vet and a day 2 pick to compete for the job opposite Benford is my guess. And if Elam doesn't win the job (which I wouldn't expect him to) I'm not sure he will be on the roster. Edited October 30 by GunnerBill 1 Quote
SoTier Posted October 30 Posted October 30 13 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Man I don't trade him. Keep him for the run. We are 1 injury away from needing him. Some people do not seem to grasp the concept of depth, especially for a playoff contender. 1 Quote
Gigs Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Elam is the plan at corner after this year, he isn't getting traded. Takes time to learn zone coverage when you've only ever done man. He'll be fine, and if not they'll move on...after he starts next year. 1 Quote
boyst Posted October 30 Posted October 30 We backed Elam into a hole. It is not necessarily the case that we blundered this up completely mistaking the best possible way to handle it because the reality was there was no great way to get him playing time. We had to start the best starters and they weren't him. However, if we gave him more playing time and if we allowed him to prove himself to us or another team as trade bait we might have something more in our hands with him. However, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I'd keep him at his contract now and work hard the next few weeks to play him, especially in garbage time, to show what he can do. There is a good chance we rout the Dolphins and that they will leave in their starters longer than we will ours. The first chance we get to put him in this week and next against he Colts the better. We maybe able to get some measure of who he is for ourselves or others. 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep me too. Elam, a dust settles vet and a day 2 pick to compete for the job opposite Benford is my guess. And if Elam doesn't win the job (which I wouldn't expect him to) I'm not sure he will be on the roster. I could see Douglass doing a 1 year contract here or even a multi year contract. I'd not oppose it either and still draft a CB if given the chance. We have the cap space and we know what he offers. It'd be nice going to the draft having one less immediate need. 1 Quote
Sweats Posted October 30 Posted October 30 Elam ain't worth jack-squat......may as well keep him as depth cause his value is absolutely zero Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 30 Posted October 30 4 minutes ago, boyst said: I could see Douglass doing a 1 year contract here or even a multi year contract. I'd not oppose it either and still draft a CB if given the chance. We have the cap space and we know what he offers. It'd be nice going to the draft having one less immediate need. I think if he wanted to do a short term deal it would have happened last offseason. He wanted a longer term commitment. He has only really had one decent contract in his career. Before that he was on and off practice squads on vet minimum. I think there is very little chance he comes back without at least testing his market personally. Quote
BarleyNY Posted October 30 Posted October 30 (edited) 11 hours ago, ganesh said: There is no cap space to pay Douglas and Benford to massive contract extensions. One of them walks that leaves Elam starting for the bills next season. Assuming he has a good camp There will be plenty of cap space next season once the team makes some obvious moves - restructures, cuts and a reworked deal or two. The real wildcard will be what happens with Allen’s contract. I think Benford stays. Douglas walks. He’s still productive for us, but he’s nearing the end. Edited October 30 by BarleyNY Quote
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