What does Elam and a pick get you in this market?

[Dan in Owego]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think the titans are interested in trading Simmons. I don’t think the browns are interested in trading Garrett.  I don’t want teller as a rental and I’m not sure how much we’d owe him next season if we kept him.  

 

i don’t know enough about the saints D scheme but to know if Matheiu would be a quick fit in our system.  If he is, I’d do it.

 
I love Slayton, but I’d only trade for him if he were on the team next season and beyond.  He’s just depth on this team and our WRs don’t have much injury history.  meanwhile, Benford has injury history. If he goes out, who’s up next?  Ingram?  He’s been solid as a dime safety but I do t trust him as CB2 come playoffs. 

 

Don't be so sure, from there perspective it may be a 3 year plan how does Simmons fit in with that? as opposed to a second round pick who may factor more into their future. Anyhow thats just my thought.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Imo, if we lose Douglas or Benford for any period of time, we will be calling  Carolina for Dane Jackson’s price. 

The Elam experience is clearly over in Buffalo. 

Why?  Because benford and Douglas are better and Elam can’t play slot or S?  

[ganesh]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Why?  Because benford and Douglas are better and Elam can’t play slot or S?  

There is no cap space to pay Douglas and Benford to massive contract extensions.  One of them walks 

 

that leaves Elam starting for the bills next season.  Assuming he has a good camp 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Dan in Owego said:

Don't be so sure, from there perspective it may be a 3 year plan how does Simmons fit in with that? as opposed to a second round pick who may factor more into their future. Anyhow thats just my thought.

I’m not sure.  It’s just my opinion.  I don’t think any team in the nfl has a three year plan in 2024.  If you suck for 4 straight years, the GM gets the axe.  Ran was hired in 2023.

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

There is no cap space to pay Douglas and Benford to massive contract extensions.  One of them walks 

 

that leaves Elam starting for the bills next season.  Assuming he has a good camp 

Yes….that’s my point 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

25 minutes ago, Savage said:

Mark my words.

 

sooner or later, Elam is going to prove everyone wrong.

 

he will he an elite player in the NFL, as soon as he gets away from McD.

 

 

the Bills caveman HC has a hardon for him, and can’t figure out how to use the player’s skills, to benefit the team.

 

 

 

You mean the caveman who has developed several no names into viable starters, if not pro bowl level players? Forgive me if I don’t “mark your words”

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

There is no cap space to pay Douglas and Benford to massive contract extensions.  One of them walks 

 

that leaves Elam starting for the bills next season.  Assuming he has a good camp 

Benford will be locked up, and our first round pick is i'm sorry Bill in NYC probably gonna be a corner lol

[MikePJ76]

I’m sorry you want to give up Elam and and 1st for Simmons?  
 

the titans have good corners and Simmons needs tommy John surgery after the season he said and he is hoping to tough out the year.

 

and you want to trade away a huge depth piece and a first round draft pick for him?  
 

I just don’t understand why so many don’t understand the importance of draft picks.

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

I’m sorry you want to give up Elam and and 1st for Simmons?  
 

the titans have good corners and Simmons needs tommy John surgery after the season he said and he is hoping to tough out the year.

 

and you want to trade away a huge depth piece and a first round draft pick for him?  
 

I just don’t understand why so many don’t understand the importance of draft picks.

Also factor the purchasing power of draft picks, been a draft nic all my life but i think a Simmons for a 2 and a Hyde return could make this an extremely hard team to beat. Either way i will sit at home and watch and pray👍

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Why?  Because benford and Douglas are better and Elam can’t play slot or S?  

Legitimately, yes. 
 

If Douglas isn’t in the long-term plans and Elam is, as you say, he would be getting SOME burn. 

He’s gotten basically none. 
 

When Elam was a rookie, he played the most snaps of his career. There was a real committee at CB. 
 

He was “hurt” last year and shuffled to IR after being inactive a bunch. He came back off IR and didn’t play. At all. 

 

The next year, now “healthy” he plays 26 defensive snaps over 8 games. 
 

Yeah, he’s 100% done. I don’t know who CB2 will be next year but I know it won’t be Kaiir Elam.

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I’m sorry you want to give up Elam and and 1st for Simmons?  
 

the titans have good corners and Simmons needs tommy John surgery after the season he said and he is hoping to tough out the year.

 

and you want to trade away a huge depth piece and a first round draft pick for him?  
 

I just don’t understand why so many don’t understand the importance of draft picks.

“Huge depth piece?”

 

No draft pick or cap space ever won a Super Bowl. Good players do, every year. Good players >>>>> draft picks/cap space.

[MikePJ76]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

“Huge depth piece?”

 

No draft pick or cap space ever won a Super Bowl. Good players do, every year. Good players >>>>> draft picks/cap space.

I bet you loved his interception in the end zone last year in the wild card playoff game.  
 

after coming in as a depth piece.  
 

but hey go ahead and trade him away and a first round draft pick for a veteran player nursing an injury who excels at the 3 tech spot where the team has Oliver and Coleman.   Now this is  not a big deal because Simmons can play anywhere and I imagine down the road Coleman will too but still.  
 

This team needs all the picks they can get and or keep going forward.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Legitimately, yes. 
 

If Douglas isn’t in the long-term plans and Elam is, as you say, he would be getting SOME burn. 

He’s gotten basically none. 
 

When Elam was a rookie, he played the most snaps of his career. There was a real committee at CB. 
 

He was “hurt” last year and shuffled to IR after being inactive a bunch. He came back off IR and didn’t play. At all. 

 

The next year, now “healthy” he plays 26 defensive snaps over 8 games. 
 

Yeah, he’s 100% done. I don’t know who CB2 will be next year but I know it won’t be Kaiir Elam.

lol-  are you serious?  You’re insinuating that they would play lesser player in a committee because he’s under contract next season?  That’s not how things work.  Douglas is better.  Benford is better.  They give us the best chance to win this season.  Then next season, they see what happens.  They aren’t going to play Elam at slot or S because they aren’t idiots. That’s not his game.  A terrible fit in both spots. He’s a boundary corner and that’s it.  

there is no committee because Benford and Douglas have proven to be VERY GOOD.  
 

I’m not saying Elam is their ride or die cb2 for 2025.  I’m saying that he’s our best backup boundary corner in 24 and a possible starter in 2025.  
 

you’re saying all this weird stuff like Elam would be in a committee this season if he was their guy in 25 and are predicting that they trade for Dane Jackson if our starters get hurt.  Oblivious to the fact that they can only make trades for another 8 days. So if they get hurt THIS week, they trade for Dane Jackson….. and then what happens if they get hurt in 2 weeks?  
 

I’m done here.  Have fun
 

 

Edited 52 minutes ago by NewEra

[Big Turk]

Nothing. He isn't getting moved.

[FireChans]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

lol-  are you serious?  You’re insinuating that they would play a lesser player because he’s under contract next season and the superior player isn’t.  That’s not how things work.  Douglas is better, he gives us the best chance to win this season.  He plays because they aren’t idiots.  Then next season, they see what happens.  They aren’t going to play Elam at slot or S because they aren’t idiots. That’s not his game

there is no committee because bengord and Douglas have proven to be VERY GOOD.  
 

I’m not saying Elam is their ride or die cb2 for 2025.  I’m saying that he’s our best backup boundary corner in 24 and a possible starter in 2025.  
 

you’re saying all this weird stuff about Elam would be starting this season if he was their guy in 25 and are predicting that they trade for Dane Jackson if our starters get hurt.  Oblivious to the fact that they can only make trades for another 8 days. So if they get hurt THIS week, they trade for Dane Jackson….. and then what happens if they get hurt in 2 weeks?  
 

I’m done here.  Have fun
 

 

I didn’t think there were any Elam guys left. We don’t even hear his name anymore. Good to know some still believe.

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

I bet you loved his interception in the end zone last year in the wild card playoff game.  
 

after coming in as a depth piece.  
 

but hey go ahead and trade him away and a first round draft pick for a veteran player nursing an injury who excels at the 3 tech spot where the team has Oliver and Coleman.   Now this is  not a big deal because Simmons can play anywhere and I imagine down the road Coleman will too but still.  
 

This team needs all the picks they can get and or keep going forward.

Coleman the wide receiver?

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I didn’t think there were any Elam guys left. We don’t even hear his name anymore. Good to know some still believe.

Coleman the wide receiver?

Sorry I meant Carter.  
 

from reading this thread I don’t think you realized Elam came in and made a huge play in the playoffs last year.  
 

I tell you what I will meet you half way, If you are desperate to get rid of Elam, Call Dallas and offer Elam for Aubrey straight up.

 

Jerry and zimmer are obsessed with corners and Aubrey makes Buffalo better the day he gets off the plane at the airport.  

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

Trade deadline day is coming. Elam sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes to dangling for trade bait. His value is shot for the most part, but he has at least a first round prospect pedigree. I can imagine there's a team or two that may gamble on his upside along with a pick.

 

Looking at the NFL landscape, Titans, Panthers, Browns, Saints and Giants look to be potential sellers in this market. I am excluding the Jets and the Pats as they are divisional rivals and would be unlikely to make any kind of trade with us. Here are some of the players I would have interest in.

 

Titans:

 

Jeffrey Simmons.

 

A true elite force on the DL. 1.5 years removed from back to back All-Pro teams. Was injured to end the year last year and the Titans are an actual disaster. I think Elam + 1st gets this done and is probably close to fair value.

 

Browns:

 

Myles Garrett or Wyatt Teller

 

Garrett's resume speaks for itself.  He does seem to be picking up nagging injuries every year but hey, he's still elite.  I don't think Elam + 1st gets this done, probably need a second or third at least.

 

Wyatt Teller is a good OG. He's not worth Elam and a first.  Browns probably jump at that. Elam and a 4th or two though? Tough call.

 

Panthers:

 

There is no one on this roster worth a first.  There are a few player barely worth Elam and stuff. Pass.

 

Saints:

 

Mathieu or Lattimore

 

Mathieu may be worth Elam with a late round pick swap. Still a good safety but lots of tread. He has been considerably healthy.  I am intrigued by this one.

 

Lattimore is still a great CB, but he's more of a man corner. Would probably take Elam and at least a second, and we don't have a CB need/not a great system fit. Pass

 

Giants:

 

Darius Slayton

Free Darius Slayton.  For real.  This guy is Darnell Mooney 2.0, a solid WR who is absolutely languishing with a bad QB. Elam and a 4th/5th gets this done I think?  He is good injury insurance and pushes Mack to his more natural role of "gunner."

 

Who do you guys got?

Elam’s value is likely a 6th round draft pick, at best.  If he was worth anything more the Bills likely would have moved on from him 

[SoTier]

I'm counting the hours to the NFL trade deadline ...

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I didn’t think there were any Elam guys left. We don’t even hear his name anymore. Good to know some still believe.

Coleman the wide receiver?

lol.  I believe he’s the best backup boundary corner we have.  I believe that there’s a trade deadline and that we won’t be able to trade for another if benford or Douglas goes down.  
 

I believe that you jump to ridiculous conclusions.  You believe that Elam would be getting snaps, either over superior players or playing him out of position if they planned on giving him a try next season…..because he got more snaps in his rookie year in a committed with a then unproven Benford.  Well, benford is now proven.  Douglas is proven.  There aren’t any snaps for him because of them being proven. This isn’t rocket science.  They aren’t going to give him snaps over either of them….or playing a different position that doesn’t suit his needs.

 

 

You can troll and put words in my mouth all you want.  That’s what you do.  I never said I believe in Elam.  I believe that he’s our best backup and that he will given a shot to earn a role next year

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Sorry I meant Carter.  
 

from reading this thread I don’t think you realized Elam came in and made a huge play in the playoffs last year.  
 

I tell you what I will meet you half way, If you are desperate to get rid of Elam, Call Dallas and offer Elam for Aubrey straight up.

 

Jerry and zimmer are obsessed with corners and Aubrey makes Buffalo better the day he gets off the plane at the airport.  

I’d be fine with that trade. 
 

What I find so interesting how vehemently some of you still believe in Kaiir. He’s a third year first round pick that can’t get on the field.

 

I can’t remember the last time a player like that worked out. 
 

Over and over again we reference how his value is completely in the toilet I.e. no one wants him particularly much, but he’s also “very valuable” as a depth piece. 
 

confusing to say the least. 
 

I didn’t think the idea of trading a third year first round pick who does not play, does not fit our system, and has effectively been replaced/outplayed by Douglas, Benford, Dane Jackson would be so controversial. This was just supposed to be a fun thread about trades!

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

lol.  I believe he’s the best backup boundary corner we have.  I believe that there’s a trade deadline and that we won’t be able to trade for another if benford or Douglas goes down.  
 

I believe that you jump to ridiculous conclusions.  You believe that Elam would be getting snaps, either over superior players or playing him out of position if they planned on giving him a try next season…..because he got more snaps in his rookie year in a committed with a then unproven Benford.  Well, benford is now proven.  Douglas is proven.  There aren’t any snaps for him because of them being proven. This isn’t rocket science.  They aren’t going to give him snaps over either of them….or playing a different position that doesn’t suit his needs.

 

 

You can troll and put words in my mouth all you want.  That’s what you do.  I never said I believe in Elam.  I believe that he’s our best backup and that he will given a shot to earn a role next year

I mean, if Cole Bishop can’t see the field 3 years from now, I’ll consider him a massive bust. And he’s only a second rounder!
 

So yeah, I consider Elam a massive bust.  I have serious doubts he makes the team next year if he’s not traded before then.

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’d be fine with that trade. 
 

What I find so interesting how vehemently some of you still believe in Kaiir. He’s a third year first round pick that can’t get on the field.

 

I can’t remember the last time a player like that worked out. 
 

Over and over again we reference how his value is completely in the toilet I.e. no one wants him particularly much, but he’s also “very valuable” as a depth piece. 
 

confusing to say the least. 
 

I didn’t think the idea of trading a third year first round pick who does not play, does not fit our system, and has effectively been replaced/outplayed by Douglas, Benford, Dane Jackson would be so controversial. This was just supposed to be a fun thread about trades!

I mean, if Cole Bishop can’t see the field 3 years from now, I’ll consider him a massive bust. And he’s only a second rounder!
 

So yeah, I consider Elam a massive bust.  I have serious doubts he makes the team next year if he’s not traded before then.

Who is talking about being a bust?  Maybe you can move the goal posts even further next time.  
 

YES, CURRENTLY SPEAKING-  ELAM IS OBVIOUSLY A BUST.  

 

That doesn’t mean anything with regards to him being our best backup boundary corner in 2024 and possibly competing for a starting spot in 2025…..which was our conversation……until you decide to move the goal posts.  

night mang