Richardson Benched Flacco to Start

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, davefan66 said:

Is it a conditioning problem?

 

Honesty may have been his issue. Others may have been “injured” for a play or simply kept going.  I just feel being paid that much, gut it out.

Money si not everything...

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

15 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I agree that Indy has some talent, but if you're not gonna ride with him he never should've been named the starter. Nothing wrong with sitting a year behind a vet, especially when considered a raw prospect  

 

I felt like young was in a similar spot in a way.  Neither was getting better.  Falling into bad habits.  Sometimes sitting can help a little bit.  

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

Richardson is purely a college QB.......you see it all the time in college ball where the QB excels in the college system and completely fizzles out in the NFL transition.

 

Rosen, Leaf, Claussen, Mallet, Carmazzi, Nagle, Leinart, Quinn, George, Losman, Mcquire, Ware, Klingler, Mirer, Shuler, blah, blah, blah........this list could seriously go on forever.

 

Standouts in college and nothing special in the NFL. 

Did he even excel in college?

[davefan66]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

Money si not everything...

Theough the end of this season he will have made 24 million dollars.  If he does not play another game this year, that’s 2.4 million per game played.

 

Money counts.

[JP51]

23 hours ago, dpberr said:

Colts drafted 95% athlete, 5% football player.  A story as old as the NFL draft itself. 

 

Unfortunately for the Colts, Joe Flacco is 95% football player and 5% athlete at this stage is his career.   

 

 

Truth here... but I think he will likely be better than Richardson ... at least next week.

[djp14150]

I still think this backlash against hip taking himself out is utterly stupid.  How is this any differrnt than the player sitting down and getting the crew ro escort him off thus he has to stay out a play.  Receivers do tap themselves es out of a play usually after a go route they run.

 

he fakes a cramp, nobody would be saying anything here.

 

this is all separste from his performance…

 

people forget he has only started what 10 games..

[billsbackto81]

17 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

 

He sat last year when he was injured

Apparently not long enough 🤣

 

 

[Pasaluki]

I wouldn't hate him as a backup for Josh. He needs to focus and reset. I agree with the previous post that had he said he had an injury nothing would be made of him taking a play off. 

 

He's not fit to be the leader of the team.

Right now. 

Many 22 year old men aren't ready for the responsibility of the position that doesn't mean that they never will be or can't grow though so I would be hesistant if I were the Colts to completely move on and discard him. 

[BillsFooteball]

12 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I was at that game.  What a s&#t show.  The weather, bad football by the Bills.  Awful. 

Same here. Miserable weather and game and I only go to one a year so it was really disappointing. Up until the ravens game this year, the colts disaster started that regular season streak of 40+ games where  the bills didn’t lose a game by over 6 points. 

[Sierra Foothills]

12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

McNabb was gassed in a Super Bowl, only he didn't pull himself out of the game.  He just let a ton of time roll off the clock. 

 

I have to think a lot has to do with not breathing properly. Sometimes we hold our breath when performing tasks and don't realize it.

It was his honesty that was the mistake.  He should have said he was feeling light headed.  

1) To your first point, the hurry up/no huddle McNabb was running in that Super Bowl wasn’t even uptempo. Everyone watching was thinking “ why are they moving so slowly?” McNabb was either in very poor physical condition or he was hyperventilating due to being overcome by anxiety and stress.

2) I’m on my phone so I’m not going to look for the plays preceding Richardson’s tapout but it’s inexcusable, honesty or not. I’ve seen plenty of QBs running for their lives on consecutive plays without tapping out on their team on 3rd down. He doesn’t need to be more honest, he needs to get into better physical condition.

 

8 hours ago, Bookie Man said:

Is Flacco still elite?

I don’t think he ever was but he doesn’t need to be either. He just has to play well enough for his teammates to believe they can win. That belief is the most important thing. Imagine going into a game knowing you’re going to lose because your QB sucks and gives you no chance.

 

4 hours ago, djp14150 said:

I still think this backlash against hip taking himself out is utterly stupid.  How is this any differrnt than the player sitting down and getting the crew ro escort him off thus he has to stay out a play.  Receivers do tap themselves es out of a play usually after a go route they run.

 

he fakes a cramp, nobody would be saying anything here.

 

this is all separste from his performance…

 

people forget he has only started what 10 games..

 

His teammates disagree with you. He’s THE QB, not a WR. He’s the leader of the team. His participation if healthy is not optional. Football players are gladiators. You don’t do what he did when you are leading a football team.

 

Regarding your last sentence, that’s irrelevant to the action he took that we’re talking about.

 

[ndirish1978]

5 hours ago, djp14150 said:

I still think this backlash against hip taking himself out is utterly stupid.  How is this any differrnt than the player sitting down and getting the crew ro escort him off thus he has to stay out a play.  Receivers do tap themselves es out of a play usually after a go route they run.

 

he fakes a cramp, nobody would be saying anything here.

 

this is all separste from his performance…

 

people forget he has only started what 10 games..

 

I'd like to address a couple of points you made here, cause I don't necessarily disagree with you but I think I have a different conclusion:

 

1. he fakes a cramp, nobody would be saying anything here. - Agreed
2. Receivers do tap themselves es out of a play usually after a go route they run - Yes, this happens

I think the main thing you have to consider is that the QB is the leader of the team, he is not just another player and is held to a much higher standard. He is expected to model behavior for the rest of the guys, including mindset, toughness and discernment. I personally have never seen a QB take himself out of the game, especially not at a crucial moment in the 3rd quarter. That's not a winning mindset, especially as a leader of the team. His honest response that he took himself out was pretty poor discernment - he should have known how bad a look that was, the fact that he didn't shows a lot of ignorance and definitely a lack of discernment in how to handle himself in front of the media. Watch Kurt Cousins screaming in pain from hits last year and still limping to the huddle, this makes guys want to play for you. Zero modeling of toughness tapping out of a drive as a QB. I don't think you realize the poor effect this has on a locker room. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Hey, at least the kid didn’t go full Vontae 

Edited October 31 by AlCowlingsTaxiService

[djp14150]

41 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I'd like to address a couple of points you made here, cause I don't necessarily disagree with you but I think I have a different conclusion:

 

1. he fakes a cramp, nobody would be saying anything here. - Agreed
2. Receivers do tap themselves es out of a play usually after a go route they run - Yes, this happens

I think the main thing you have to consider is that the QB is the leader of the team, he is not just another player and is held to a much higher standard. He is expected to model behavior for the rest of the guys, including mindset, toughness and discernment. I personally have never seen a QB take himself out of the game, especially not at a crucial moment in the 3rd quarter. That's not a winning mindset, especially as a leader of the team. His honest response that he took himself out was pretty poor discernment - he should have known how bad a look that was, the fact that he didn't shows a lot of ignorance and definitely a lack of discernment in how to handle himself in front of the media. Watch Kurt Cousins screaming in pain from hits last year and still limping to the huddle, this makes guys want to play for you. Zero modeling of toughness tapping out of a drive as a QB. I don't think you realize the poor effect this has on a locker room. 

I understand the idea of being a leader but we don’t know anything about his underlying medical conditions thst he has.

 

id rather have a player take himself out of the game than try to play at nowhere near 100%. Sure he could have gone down on his feet as an injury either claiming cramming , wind knocked out of him, light headed, etc.

 

this gives me flashbacks to back in the day where athletes are weak if they need water/ dehydrated.

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Hey, at.East the kid didn’t go full Vontae 

 

 No that would be better - for the Colts.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

This really doesn’t move the needle.

 

Colts offense is not a rushing Juggernaut as some have made it out to be. Nor do their skill position players possess any trait that the bills have not seen or have been able to handle so far. 
 

The substitution of Flacco also comes with the deletion of a mobile QB. Richardson has also had some big plays with his arm. 
 

I don’t think there will be any major upgrade as some have suggested. One large difference that I see though is how McD will likely prepare and game plan. Whereas I would have anticipated a heavy blitz game by his standards, I am imagining a much more coverage heavy game plan. 
 

Maybe I’ll eat these words, but the Colts QB change takes from their offense as much as it provides for it. 

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Sweats said:

Richardson is purely a college QB.......you see it all the time in college ball where the QB excels in the college system and completely fizzles out in the NFL transition.

 

Rosen, Leaf, Claussen, Mallet, Carmazzi, Nagle, Leinart, Quinn, George, Losman, Mcquire, Ware, Klingler, Mirer, Shuler, blah, blah, blah........this list could seriously go on forever.

 

Standouts in college and nothing special in the NFL. 

There is no such thing...Being a successful QB in the NFL is a crapshoot and requires several things to go right...They were in the right situations in college and were successful...The NFL draft ensures that the WORST teams get the best QBs coming out of college..  The player has to now overcome this mountain to become successful. 

 

Bo Nix came to a worst team but has a good coaching staff. They are putting him in place to compete and be successful.  The same goes with Daniels.  However, Campbell is struggling in Chicago in spite of having good players around him. 

 

Next is having good supporting players on the Worst team..that is an oximoron.   

 

When Josh Allen entered the league, the team had bad coaches as well as poor talent.  Beane had to make a ton of moves to fix both of them and then Allen was off to the races. He is still blocked by poor coaching to win a Super Bowl.  May be it will change this year. 

[Bill from NYC]

On 10/29/2024 at 1:51 PM, dpberr said:

Colts drafted 95% athlete, 5% football player.  A story as old as the NFL draft itself. 

 

Unfortunately for the Colts, Joe Flacco is 95% football player and 5% athlete at this stage is his career.   

 

 

I like the way you phrased this. I remember him well when he played at Florida. He did have a huge amount of talent but I wasn't all that frightened when he played against Alabama. Ironically, Alabama now has a QB with a similar great skill set (Jalen Milroe) who is not a favorite of mine (although he would never tap out of a game).

 

The following are Richardson's college stats. Drafting him in round one was a dumb move imo. There was nothing to indicate that he merited a first round pick.

 

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-04-27/anthony-richardson-college-football-stats-records

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I like the way you phrased this. I remember him well when he played at Florida. He did have a huge amount of talent but I wasn't all that frightened when he played against Alabama. Ironically, Alabama now has a QB with a similar great skill set (Jalen Milroe) who is not a favorite of mine (although he would never tap out of a game).

 

The following are Richardson's college stats. Drafting him in round one was a dumb move imo. There was nothing to indicate that he merited a first round pick.

 

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-04-27/anthony-richardson-college-football-stats-records

 

It would be fascinating to see the process the Colts took to picking him, to see who (the scouts, directors, etc.) was involved and how they arrived at his selection. 

 

I can't find the article - but I read one a few days ago where it was either GMs or scouts telling college quarterbacks to not enter the draft unless they've started at least two full seasons in college because that's the realistic floor of experience to have a chance of success in the NFL.    

[Bill from NYC]

10 hours ago, dpberr said:

 

I can't find the article - but I read one a few days ago where it was either GMs or scouts telling college quarterbacks to not enter the draft unless they've started at least two full seasons in college because that's the realistic floor of experience to have a chance of success in the NFL.    

That makes a ton of sense. Mac Jones was GREAT in college but he only had one season as a starter. Although QBs (including even Peyton Manning) need time to adjust, I don't consider the NFL to be a developmental league.

[colin]

if he were an LB or a DE he'd have a few super splash plays, but not be considered with his draft stock, the old looks like tarzan plays like game saying.

 

I compare richardson to devon white.  insane (like limit nfl ability) athletes who just are not good football players.  the thing is white was a monster for a year or two and contributed bigly to his team winning a chip, so i don't even know if you can really say he was a top 5 pick bust (i suppose he was, but the team got a chip, so it is worth it.

 

richardson is just bad at qb.  perfect RAS but he isn't productive.  with all the stick lamar gets (altho he hasn't gotten the playoff monkey off of his back yet) for being more of an athlete and less of a qb, richardson is what that actually looks like.