Bills running back receiving game this year

[dave mcbride]

The collective passing game numbers for the RBs (Cook, Davis, Johnson):

 

33 targets, 27 receptions: 82 percent completion rate

 

289 yards on 27 completions: 10.7 yards per reception

 

289 yards on 33 targets: 8.8 yards per target

 

turnovers (fumbles, INTs on targets): 0

 

touchdowns: 3, for a 9.1% TD rate on passes thrown their way (a sky-high rate)

 

Allen's passer rating when targeting RBs in the passing game: 133.46

 

These numbers are shockingly great - almost unbelievable, really.

Edited October 29 by dave mcbride

[scuba guy]

Maybe this is more to the ascension of Josh not always taking the big play.  As some would say taking the checkdown to move the chains.

 

We have all seen the boiling ball Ray Davis smack into the line drive his feet and get 3 yards.

 

Cook slide though small holes and go for an easy 8 yards.  As shaw66 says slippery.

 

And ty,crossing would be pass rushers than catching the ball in the flat.

 

Maybe when Josh is on the golf course with the goat 🐐 just listening to what he says pays off when you get older.

 

Go bills

[Simon]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The collective passing game numbers for the RBs (Cook, Davis, Johnson):

 

33 targets, 27 receptions: 82 percent completion rate

 

289 yards on 27 completions: 10.7 yards per reception

 

289 yards on 33 targets: 8.8 yards per target

 

turnovers (fumbles, INTs on targets): 0

 

touchdowns: 3, for a 9.1% TD rate on passes thrown their way (a sky-high rate)

 

Allen's passer rating when targeting RBs in the passing game: 133.46

 

These numbers are shockingly great - almost unbelievable, really.

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

Maybe.  I feel like it is more Josh resisting the urge to go downfield. The receivers they have had were a sneaky way to get Josh to look for shorter routes to other players. With the ascension of Coleman and the addition of Cooper, I think you’ll see fewer passes to the backs. 

[Motorin']

Just now, Simon said:

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for years!

 

@Sierra Foothills and I have had several convos over the years about how reluctant Josh has been to throw short, on time and on rhythm. It was the weakest part of game. 

 

It was like he'd hold the ball for the bigger play until the last second, and then reluctantly throw underneath after effectively telegraphing it. 

 

This season he's been excellent throwing immediately to the wr's and rb's underneath or in the flats. The ability to move the sticks consistently with the quick, underneath passing game is what pulls defences (along with the running game) out of the 2 high safety looks. And that's when you can attack the intermediate and deep zones more effectively.

 

Now with the additional of Cooper, they're building a multi-dimensional offense that can beat you a number for ways. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

When Brady was at LSU his offense always had "an out". Some kind of checkdown or something to get the QB out of trouble if everything else is covered or the rush is getting there. Only recently are we seeing him put this in his game plan and its working well.

[Don Otreply]

It’s like having three additional receivers available as needed, this allows J Brady and Allen to play a ball / TOP, control style game that has multiple benefits contributing to overall success. Maybe Josh has learned a little something from T Brady while out putting around…, I just threw up in my mouth a little…, 🤣

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The collective passing game numbers for the RBs (Cook, Davis, Johnson):

 

33 targets, 27 receptions: 82 percent completion rate

 

289 yards on 27 completions: 10.7 yards per reception

 

289 yards on 33 targets: 8.8 yards per target

 

turnovers (fumbles, INTs on targets): 0

 

touchdowns: 3, for a 9.1% TD rate on passes thrown their way (a sky-high rate)

 

Allen's passer rating when targeting RBs in the passing game: 133.46

 

These numbers are shockingly great - almost unbelievable, really.

With these numbers you could definitely get a 2nd round pick for Cook...even though he can't catch, break tackles, or run up the middle....

[Don Otreply]

46 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Maybe.  I feel like it is more Josh resisting the urge to go downfield. The receivers they have had were a sneaky way to get Josh to look for shorter routes to other players. With the ascension of Coleman and the addition of Cooper, I think you’ll see fewer passes to the backs. 

It needs to be a mix, can’t do the same things all the time, that’s what the problem was when we forced passes to Diggs and Davis every game, gotta keep the defense on its heels, 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On a non sarcastic note. Running backs like Thurman, LaDainian, Faulk, and Edgerin I thought were always special. They could do so much damage to a defense in so many ways. No LB or even a safety could cover them and no team would commit a CB to cover them. Nearly unstoppable if used correctly. 

[WotAGuy]

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It needs to be a mix, can’t do the same things all the time, that’s what the problem was when we forced passes to Diggs and Davis every game, gotta keep the defense on its heels, 

Absolutely. The question is will Josh continue to be patient and use the RBs in the passing game as much now that he has new toys (Cooper and Coleman) and a super reliable guy (Shakir) downfield. 
 

If Josh can continue to play smart with pass distribution, this offense is a nightmare for defenses considering the run game available to it. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

Yep. Take what the D gives, hurt them enough to have to adjust, and then take what you want. Patience is the ultimate virtue for good OCs and good QBs. I think Brady is getting better at setting up plays for later, too. Those repetitive bubble screens to Shakir early on, for example, did that. 

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Yep. Take what the D gives, hurt them enough to have to adjust, and then take what you want. Patience is the ultimate virtue for good OCs and good QBs. I think Brady is getting better at setting up plays for later, too. Those repetitive bubble screens to Shakir early on, for example, did that. 

It’s noteworthy that the offense “feels” different with Cooper in the mix. It does seem like Brady has the missing piece to allow him to call things that just weren’t executed good enough previously. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for weeks now; I'm glad to see the Bills have begun to accommodate them and hope it continues at an increasing pace.

I'm getting the sense that Joe Brady is not necessarily fast to adjust, but will do what is called for given time. It could also be a function of McDermott's tendency to stick with your plan for as long as you can.

They understand what they're seeing and know what they're doing out there, I just wish they would be a little more proactive with their adjustments at times.

we must also credit Josh Allen. In many game threads and posts there was great frustration on not looking for big throws down the field, or outside, or seemingly taking the easy pot shots. it seemed like josh had given up trying to make the big passes and just settled for check downs to the laymen. especially when we saw a few series of just short passes not stretching the field after the always reliable 1st down run.

 

what was actually happening, so it seems, was Josh taking what is given to him and the path of least resistance. it's working and it should not be a problem.

 

i don't have many negatives with the offense but we do need a Gabe Davis 3rd/4th WR who can run the deep routes to take the tops off and keep the coverages moving backwards. *i do not think Davis is a bona fide #2 but in a perfect world the best #3 possible. on this team he would be splitting reps with Hollins and Samuel. Maybe Samuel can do that when he's not booboo foot.

[SoonerBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, boyst said:

we must also credit Josh Allen. In many game threads and posts there was great frustration on not looking for big throws down the field, or outside, or seemingly taking the easy pot shots. it seemed like josh had given up trying to make the big passes and just settled for check downs to the laymen. especially when we saw a few series of just short passes not stretching the field after the always reliable 1st down run.

 

what was actually happening, so it seems, was Josh taking what is given to him and the path of least resistance. it's working and it should not be a problem.

 

i don't have many negatives with the offense but we do need a Gabe Davis 3rd/4th WR who can run the deep routes to take the tops off and keep the coverages moving backwards. *i do not think Davis is a bona fide #2 but in a perfect world the best #3 possible. on this team he would be splitting reps with Hollins and Samuel. Maybe Samuel can do that when he's not booboo foot.

Tom Brady and Joe Montana won superbowls doing just that.  Take the deep shot when its clearly there, otherwise  you hit your guys on time and on target and let them run.

[Gugny]

Makes me wonder what Hines could have done had he not been turned into a special teams player. 
 

I’m sure Beane wonders, too. 

[BruceVilanch]

15 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Makes me wonder what Hines could have done had he not been turned into a special teams player. 
 

I’m sure Beane wonders, too. 

Live look at Hines somewhere warm

 

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Defenses have been begging us to attack them like this for years!

 

@Sierra Foothills and I have had several convos over the years about how reluctant Josh has been to throw short, on time and on rhythm. It was the weakest part of game.

 

I'm not talking about just taking the underneath stuff when it's there.

I'm referring to the way defenses having been defending the Bills since a few weeks into the season by flooding the middle zones and trying to force the Bills to win outside, which included them not willingly giving them short easy completions between the hashes.

Doing this has left defenses exposed in the flats where throwing balls to our RB's would have left them one-on-one in open field with either an overmatched LB or with a safety coming over from a difficult angle. I was repeatedly kvetching about the Bills offense eschewing those spots for a couple weeks when they were available while the offense was struggling mightily.

Dave's post makes it appear that they've finally begun making hay out there with their backs. That's what I was referring to with the comment about Brady's willingness to adjust being slower than we'd prefer and it possibly being a function of McDermott not liking to come off set plans too quickly.

[boyst]

27 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm not talking about just taking the underneath stuff when it's there.

I'm referring to the way defenses having been defending the Bills since a few weeks into the season by flooding the middle zones and trying to force the Bills to win outside, which included them not willingly giving them short easy completions between the hashes.

Doing this has left defenses exposed in the flats where throwing balls to our RB's would have left them one-on-one in open field with either an overmatched LB or with a safety coming over from a difficult angle. I was repeatedly kvetching about the Bills offense eschewing those spots for a couple weeks when they were available while the offense was struggling mightily.

Dave's post makes it appear that they've finally begun making hay out there with their backs. That's what I was referring to with the comment about Brady's willingness to adjust being slower than we'd prefer and it possibly being a function of McDermott not liking to come off set plans too quickly.

I would have to dig deep in the memory of teams doing this in the past to try and stop us. it was mostly unsuccessful because of personnel on the defense and the Bills just playing that well with good personnel themselves.

 

i want to say the Jags did this last year adding in blitzes and a good pass rush. this year it has worked more than in the past because our wide receivers have not been winning and Josh hasn't been making those risky throws. the jets always try to eliminate the outsides with tight single coverage pressing the boundaries and flood the middle zones. their personnel can't get it done and Gardner holds every play. 

[colin]

a mobile qb with dump off threats is a problem.  i think w cooper and now w coleman emerging we might have found our answer to closed man coverage, but backs being a real threat to gain and allen running being mixed in effectively might give the O a good tool to use in all kinds of weather.

 

no matter what we do, the motion and the play action has to stay active.  no one seems to have an answer for that.