Coleman is doing it all.

[Pete]

Whatever hot shot CB the opposing team puts on Coleman- Coleman is going to plow them into the bench.  Coleman is going to beat up whomever they line up across from him 

Edited Tuesday at 10:23 PM by Pete

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Whatever hot shot CB the opposing team puts on Coleman- Coleman is going to plow them into the bench.  Coleman is going to beat up whomever they line up 

Ramsey/Fuller is a great test. Will be interesting to see who they put on him. I would think Ramsey personally after Cooper’s last outing but you never know. 
 

If it’s Kohou they’re screwed 😂
 

 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

I’ll jump in. I don’t recall being down on Coleman, per se, but rather frustrated that we didn’t take Worthy to pair his A+ speed with Allen’s A+ arm strength. I would still love to see a true top flight deep threat on the team, but I’m very happy with Coleman’s progress.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

I’ll jump in. I don’t recall being down on Coleman, per se, but rather frustrated that we didn’t take Worthy to pair his A+ speed with Allen’s A+ arm strength. I would still love to see a true top flight deep threat on the team, but I’m very happy with Coleman’s progress.

I just think Keon does it in different ways.   Ya have to ignore his 40 time.. its why WR's skip the 40 time lately.  Cause one bad day moves then a day behind. Coleman is sneaky quick.

[ghostwriter]

13 hours ago, GoBills! said:

I thought he was a poor man’s Gabe Davis and we killed ourselves letting KC draft worthy who is way better than Keon. 

I didn’t like the pick either. I was wrong.

[GoBills!]

I liked the pick I don’t proclaim to be an expert but for every worthy type player many of them get hurt or don’t work out after 3 years. Big body WRs always have a place in the red zone and when in press coverage. 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I think you are giving Gabe too much credit.   His hands are really, really bad.   It's not yips or anything like that he just has hard hands......which is a failure of hand-eye coordination where an athlete just can't make the very subtle adjustments needed to quiet and control a fast moving ball.   If you are a good HS athlete in the US you usually play 3 consecutive seasons of sports where you need soft hands to be a good skill player.  How Gabe made it thru the cracks with that deficiency is a mystery(although generally speaking, participation in football is low).........but that's why Gabe throws his hands or claps at the ball,  he has to make a broad movement to compensate for not being able to make the slightest of adjustments.  

 

Subsequently, there just isn't anything Gabe Davis can do with late hands or in a 50/50 situation.   Which, of course, is particularly important when you aren't a natural separator and that really lowers his ceiling.   Gabe was always best suited as a WR3 or a specialist.  

 

I don't think there is any one quality that Coleman has to prove he's not terrible at the way Gabe did.   I'm not going to get carried away with him having some good games in this soft spot of the schedule but I think he's really answered some questions about what he's capable of.   

 

Where do I say anything that argues otherwise? Coleman's ceiling is clearly higher than Gabe's. We saw Gabe's ceiling here - he is what he is. I don't disagree at all that he has is not a natural catcher of the football, he has snatchy hands and he drops way too many balls. 

 

But my point is I always saw Coleman as an upgrade at that role in the offense. The bigger body guy who isn't a natural separator, who - certainly on the outside - is going to need to win with leverage and body control and they also had the similarity that coming into the league their release packages needed work. I said it on draft night, 40 time be damned, I think Coleman is quicker than Gabe. He certainly has better hands. And he is more versatile and a much bigger threat after the catch (which I personally felt was his best attribute on film). That isn't giving Gabe some credit he isn't due. The Bills tried to make Gabe a full time, barely comes off the field #2, that wasn't me. He failed at it and everyone knew we were in need of an upgrade at that spot. To me it was always more comfortable to see Keon as that. The Gabe Davis upgrade we all knew we needed.

 

It is why I like the Cooper trade so much. Part of the issue for me coming into the year was I felt like they were essentially asking everyone to play up a spot. They almost had Keon trying to replace Stef Diggs and Mack Hollins trying to replace Gabe. Now with Coop in the fold and Keon breaking out, plus Shakir continuing to play at a high level in the slot I think there is a legit case that the starting wide receiver situation they have right now, today, is better than the one they had last season.

[Ralonzo]

17 hours ago, US Egg said:

Has Chris Brown used the “Coleman is grilling” bit yet?

 

[T master]

19 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

 Chiefs get some guys back too. Pacheco, Rasheed Rice, possibly Hollywood Brown. They too will be problems for the Bills.

 

But i would rather have all our best players against their best then there can be no excuse & i feel our guys can come out on top !!

 

GO BILLS !!!! 

[Bangarang]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 Now with Coop in the fold and Keon breaking out, plus Shakir continuing to play at a high level in the slot I think there is a legit case that the starting wide receiver situation they have right now, today, is better than the one they had last season.

 

Would you say this happened quietly?

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Where do I say anything that argues otherwise? Coleman's ceiling is clearly higher than Gabe's. We saw Gabe's ceiling here - he is what he is. I don't disagree at all that he has is not a natural catcher of the football, he has snatchy hands and he drops way too many balls. 

 

But my point is I always saw Coleman as an upgrade at that role in the offense. The bigger body guy who isn't a natural separator, who - certainly on the outside - is going to need to win with leverage and body control and they also had the similarity that coming into the league their release packages needed work. I said it on draft night, 40 time be damned, I think Coleman is quicker than Gabe. He certainly has better hands. And he is more versatile and a much bigger threat after the catch (which I personally felt was his best attribute on film). That isn't giving Gabe some credit he isn't due. The Bills tried to make Gabe a full time, barely comes off the field #2, that wasn't me. He failed at it and everyone knew we were in need of an upgrade at that spot. To me it was always more comfortable to see Keon as that. The Gabe Davis upgrade we all knew we needed.

 

It is why I like the Cooper trade so much. Part of the issue for me coming into the year was I felt like they were essentially asking everyone to play up a spot. They almost had Keon trying to replace Stef Diggs and Mack Hollins trying to replace Gabe. Now with Coop in the fold and Keon breaking out, plus Shakir continuing to play at a high level in the slot I think there is a legit case that the starting wide receiver situation they have right now, today, is better than the one they had last season.

 

 

Yeah we agree.  I think the wording of Coleman as a "Gabe replacement" is what I was disagreeing with.   I know you had some appreciation for the value that Beane gleaned picking Gabe in round 4......but to me calling Coleman Gabe's replacement rings like saying Amari Cooper is Mack Hollins replacement.  

 

Beane dropped the ball entering the season without a WR1.   I know the "everybody eats" people are trying to retract their apologies after the Bills trounced a Seattle defense in disarray without production from Cooper........but anyone with common sense knew that they were "asking everyone to play up a spot", as you say,  and that might be the difference between being undefeated now versus 6-2 with Josh Allen having a couple more concussions in his medical history. 

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah we agree.  I think the wording of Coleman as a "Gabe replacement" is what I was disagreeing with.   I know you had some appreciation for the value that Beane gleaned picking Gabe in round 4......but to me calling Coleman Gabe's replacement rings like saying Amari Cooper is Mack Hollins replacement.  

 

Beane dropped the ball entering the season without a WR1.   I know the "everybody eats" people are trying to retract their apologies after the Bills trounced a Seattle defense in disarray without production from Cooper........but anyone with common sense knew that they were "asking everyone to play up a spot", as you say,  and that might be the difference between being undefeated now versus 6-2 with Josh Allen having a couple more concussions in his medical history. 

 

"Gabe upgrade" is probably the more accurate term. But yea I do still think Gabe was a good use of a 4th round pick. The issue wasn't picking Gabe in round four. It was then not picking a receiver in any higher round until four drafts later this spring because you felt you were "good" there. 

[BullBuchanan]

20 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Rice is most likely done for the season and Brown is done. Maybe next year. 

That's backwards. Brown is coming back. They also have Hopkins now, too.

[Magox]

A lot of people were down on Coleman after the combines, primarily because of his 40 time.  I came away impressed with Coleman after the combine because of his gauntlet.   He ran the fastest gauntlet and that's because he is a natural athlete and catcher of the football.   It comes naturally to him, he combines his athleticism, body control, hand eye coordination and hands more easily than most.

 

When you watched his film you could also see that not only did he have great hands and the ability to make special contested catches but that he was a really good athlete and great at YAC.

 

The 4 WR's that I would have been happy  with who I thought there was a realistic chance to draft were Brian Thomas Jr. McConkey, Worthy and Coleman in that order.

 

As Baldo pointed out, my hopes are that Coleman can continue to ascend and be productive similar to what Rashee Rice did last year for the Chiefs going into and in the playoffs.  Rashee really became their top guy.  Fortunately the Bills receiving options are considerably better than what the Chiefs had at this time last year so Coleman won't have to be THE GUY for it to work.

[Nephilim17]

Just read this:

"Through eight games, Coleman already has virtually equaled the run-after-catch yards Gabe Davis had for the Bills all last season. Coleman has 192 RAC yards, according to NFL Next Gen Stats. Davis had 194 in 17 games in 2023."

[2003Contenders]

For a guy who was ridiculed for being "slow", Coleman sure does well with YAC on those bubbles that for Diggs always seemed to result in a TFA. Clearly his physicality compensates for a slower 40-time.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[billieve420]

Still think this offense is missing that John Brown type receiver who can take the top off a defense. If they can find that guy to pair with Coleman and Shakir will make for a nice trio of WRs. Was hoping team would draft 2 WRs last year.

Edited 16 hours ago by billieve420

[Haslett_Stomp]

I watched some of Coleman's FSU highlights recently and he was pancaking DBs and pointing at them back then.  That guy is an alpha.

[The Frankish Reich]

On 10/29/2024 at 4:02 AM, PrimeTime101 said:

50/50 catches that really are 50%

 

 

He can run block

 

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Can Coleman creatively create separation? 

 

 

Can Coleman produce Yac Yards?

 

AND!

 

I believe he is top 4-5 among rookies?;

 

Great hands!  Rout running is solid! AND HE IS YOUNG! So much more he can learn. So much more potential....

 

A Star in the making? Tune in next game

 

Hey PFF subscribers! What's Xavier Worthy's run block rating?