Coleman is doing it all.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes playoff football is why he was my #1 target for the Bills. I was so sick of watching WRs like Stefon Diggs and John Brown get shut down by physical DBs in the playoffs when officials keep their flags tucked away. Small WRs get bullied in the playoffs. Finally we got a WR that is the bully.

 

 

Yeah you were probably the biggest Coleman supporter all thru the winter on TSW.   There weren't many who actually advocated his selection thru the process.   I know @Coach Tuesday really loved the pick.   I loved the Davante-Adams-esque ceiling but had serious doubts about the learning curve fitting a 2024 timeline.   Especially without a true WR1.   As horrific as those road games in Baltimore and Houston were that truly horrible passing offense forced Beane's hand to get Cooper.  Which I suspect has taken a good deal of pressure off the rest of the group of weapons and then the subsequent flat spot in the schedule has created a lane to feed Coleman and build him up.   Hopefully he maintains the trajectory like Rashee Rice did for KC once he got going last year. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It rhymes with NBags.

 

He's around, but lurking. He went so overboard that he probably has some regrets. I'll try to set up a meeting between he and Keon and they can iron their differences out.

[NickelCity]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah you were probably the biggest Coleman supporter all thru the winter on TSW.   There weren't many who actually advocated his selection thru the process.   I know @Coach Tuesday really loved the pick.   I loved the Davante-Adams-esque ceiling but had serious doubts about the learning curve fitting a 2024 timeline.   Especially without a true WR1.   As horrific as those road games in Baltimore and Houston were that truly horrible passing offense forced Beane's hand to get Cooper.  Which I suspect has taken a good deal of pressure off the rest of the group of weapons and then the subsequent flat spot in the schedule has created a lane to feed Coleman and build him up.   Hopefully he maintains the trajectory like Rashee Rice did for KC once he got going last year. 

 

Solomon Grundy too. I remember vigorously disagree-emojiing when he kept saying we should draft Coleman 😅. I definitely wanted a separator. 

 

Really pleased with Keon's play.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah you were probably the biggest Coleman supporter all thru the winter on TSW.   There weren't many who actually advocated his selection thru the process.   I know @Coach Tuesday really loved the pick.   I loved the Davante-Adams-esque ceiling but had serious doubts about the learning curve fitting a 2024 timeline.   Especially without a true WR1.   As horrific as those road games in Baltimore and Houston were that truly horrible passing offense forced Beane's hand to get Cooper.  Which I suspect has taken a good deal of pressure off the rest of the group of weapons and then the subsequent flat spot in the schedule has created a lane to feed Coleman and build him up.   Hopefully he maintains the trajectory like Rashee Rice did for KC once he got going last year. 

 

I knew it would take time to reach his ceiling, but I was fine with that. If you want to draft for year one then take Ladd McConkey, knowing that the ceiling is limited and he'll never be a true game changing player. I shoot for the high ceiling in the 1st round. Beane has had no difficulty finding plenty of good players. We need some great ones with physical abilities that go above and beyond the play call. Coleman is a bit ahead of schedule for what I expected actually. By the end of the year I think he'll be a considerably better talent than Gabe Davis for example, and he may have already broken that threshold over the last two games. Then like you said it's a matter of how high that ceiling goes.

 

I really think people overthought Coleman as a prospect. A lot of it reminded me of the Josh Allen pre-draft conversation. I was 100% on the wrong side of that one and I vowed to never get fooled again by media narratives. Like with Allen, fans and analysts were throwing around totally out of context and unexplained stats that were just taken as gospel. Contested catch percentage, reception perception charting, etc. It's like people forgot what actually wins at the NFL level - size, strength, body control. Also people were analyzing him as the player he was, not the player he could become. Scouting is about projection. Like with Allen he had an unusual athletics background which implied a rawer starting place than his peers, and elite athletic traits which implied a higher ceiling. Like Allen he was known to have a strong work ethic and a desire to be great. So all the ingredients were there to tell me he had a bright future.

 

Plus like I mentioned above I wanted a physical WR that could finally overcome the issues we continually run into in the playoffs. To me it was a simple formula - take a physically imposing WR and place him on the field with a physically imposing QB, and it will probably work out for the best even if it doesn't always look pretty. I wanted a power forward, not a ballerina. Coleman quite literally met that standard and his football character traits (based on everything I had read about him) pushed him even higher in my esteem. Couldn't be happier with the result so far and it's only gonna get better.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by HappyDays

[FireChans]

I will come in to take a drubbing. 
 

I did not want Coleman pre-draft. I didn’t see the vision of him ever being a WR1 in the NFL. But he has played awesome and has wildly exceeded my expectations, especially as a rookie.

 

I still don’t know if I buy that he is ever going to be a 15 target a game guy. Need to see more to change that opinion. 
 

But if his ceiling is great WR2/borderline WR1, we basically got another Tee Higgins at the same draft slot. And while I have questions on if those guys are worth paying, the bottom line is this team could and has used 4 years of a physical WR to great effect. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah you were probably the biggest Coleman supporter all thru the winter on TSW.   There weren't many who actually advocated his selection thru the process.   I know @Coach Tuesday really loved the pick.   I loved the Davante-Adams-esque ceiling but had serious doubts about the learning curve fitting a 2024 timeline.   Especially without a true WR1.   As horrific as those road games in Baltimore and Houston were that truly horrible passing offense forced Beane's hand to get Cooper.  Which I suspect has taken a good deal of pressure off the rest of the group of weapons and then the subsequent flat spot in the schedule has created a lane to feed Coleman and build him up.   Hopefully he maintains the trajectory like Rashee Rice did for KC once he got going last year. 

 

I didn't mind Coleman as a selection if you were seeing him as a replacement for Gabe Davis. And I had that discussion with @HappyDays way before the 40 time (my concerns with him were never speed, they were separation and the two are different). I think he is a more athletic, more versatile version of Gabe who can do what Gabe could do and more besides. I didn't think he was a true #1 type because he struggled to separate, especially vertically. I still don't. But he was one of the younger guys among this class so I get the bet on traits and hope the best is yet to come take. He had a great game Sunday. He played better Sunday than against the Titans IMO, even though the yardage tally would tell you different.

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

He played better Sunday than against the Titans IMO, even though the yardage tally would tell you different.

 

Yeah even the play he drew a DPI on near the end of the game, on the all 22 you can see him stack Woolen and gain vertical leverage. That penalty was well earned. If he can start doing that consistently in addition to what he already offers in the short to intermediate areas, not to mention his elite YAC skills, he's going to be a nightmare for CBs. Woolen is as physical as it gets at the position too. That was a great test and he passed with flying colors.

 

I see enough traits that could develop into a #1 WR. I don't think his ceiling is as limited as you do. He was basically shadowed by his opponent's #1 CB on Sunday and performed like a #1 WR in that situation. I never saw Gabe Davis do that.

 

Next thing I want to see from him is developing his timing on downfield boundary catches. He dropped a beautiful honey hole shot from Allen because he didn't time his jump correctly with when the ball arrived. That sort of nuance will come with reps.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah even the play he drew a DPI on near the end of the game, on the all 22 you can see him stack Woolen and gain vertical leverage. That penalty was well earned. If he can start doing that consistently in addition to what he already offers in the short to intermediate areas, not to mention his elite YAC skills, he's going to be a nightmare for CBs. Woolen is as physical as it gets at the position too. That was a great test and he passed with flying colors.

 

I see enough traits that could develop into a #1 WR. I don't think his ceiling is as limited as you do. He was basically shadowed by his opponent's #1 CB on Sunday and performed like a #1 WR in that situation. I never saw Gabe Davis do that.

 

Next thing I want to see from him is developing his timing on downfield boundary catches. He dropped a beautiful honey hole shot from Allen because he didn't time his jump correctly with when the ball arrived. That sort of nuance will come with reps.

 

I'm not as high on Riq Woolen as others tbh. I think Witherspoon is the best corner on that team but Woolen isn't a mug by any means and Keon definitely won that matchup conclusively on Sunday. He is ahead of where I'd have had him at this stage. I'd have put him between 650 and 750 yards for the year (although with 7 or 8 touchdowns) and he is on pace for about 840. So there is lots there to like but I still need to see him separate better and more consistently - especially downfield - before I am willing to raise his ceiling to a true #1.

[PrimeTime101]

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not as high on Riq Woolen as others tbh. I think Witherspoon is the best corner on that team but Woolen isn't a mug by any means and Keon definitely won that matchup conclusively on Sunday. He is ahead of where I'd have had him at this stage. I'd have put him between 650 and 750 yards for the year (although with 7 or 8 touchdowns) and he is on pace for about 840. So there is lots there to like but I still need to see him separate better and more consistently - especially downfield - before I am willing to raise his ceiling to a true #1.

for what reason cant his ceiling be this high? Predicting how high a players ceiling could be, especially a WR is INSANELY bad.  It takes many WR 1-2 years before they show you anything what so ever and he has already shown a ton. No one has said he is #1 now but the say he does not have that kind of ceiling is nuts. 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

for what reason cant his ceiling be this high? Predicting how high a players ceiling could be, especially a WR is INSANELY bad.  It takes many WR 1-2 years before they show you anything what so ever and he has already shown a ton. No one has said he is #1 now but the say he does not have that kind of ceiling is nuts. 

 

 

The post you quoted literally says why I think his ceiling is where I think it is. You can disagree, that's fine. It is a game of opinions. But I don't think it is insane or or nuts.

[Dan in Owego]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not as high on Riq Woolen as others tbh. I think Witherspoon is the best corner on that team but Woolen isn't a mug by any means and Keon definitely won that matchup conclusively on Sunday. He is ahead of where I'd have had him at this stage. I'd have put him between 650 and 750 yards for the year (although with 7 or 8 touchdowns) and he is on pace for about 840. So there is lots there to like but I still need to see him separate better and more consistently - especially downfield - before I am willing to raise his ceiling to a true #1.

You are dead on about Witherspoon which makes what Kalil did in his limited reps against him even more impressive in my eyes.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I will come in to take a drubbing. 
 

I did not want Coleman pre-draft. I didn’t see the vision of him ever being a WR1 in the NFL. But he has played awesome and has wildly exceeded my expectations, especially as a rookie.

 

I still don’t know if I buy that he is ever going to be a 15 target a game guy. Need to see more to change that opinion. 
 

But if his ceiling is great WR2/borderline WR1, we basically got another Tee Higgins at the same draft slot. And while I have questions on if those guys are worth paying, the bottom line is this team could and has used 4 years of a physical WR to great effect. 

You are one of the rare ones that can admit when they weren’t correct.  Not going to say wrong because we are all guessing.  

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You are one of the rare ones that can admit when they weren’t correct.  Not going to say wrong because we are all guessing.  

No I was dead wrong. I can admit it. I called him Devin Funchess 2.0 and was miserable during the draft.

 

He's clearly much more than that. The best part about hating a Bills move, is if I'm wrong and he plays great, it's still a win!

[Mikie2times]

What if said you could have a WR who is elite in all of the below? Would you think twice about adding such a player? 

 

Size

Athletic ability

Vertical

Foot Speed

Hands

Physicality

Work Ethic

 

I wanted Coleman since January. It's exciting to see him grow. 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

I was actually thinking about you during the game as I knew you were there. I looked for you in the crowd but didn’t see any #8 Donahoe era jersey’s that were tucked in.

Hahaha.

 

I switched it up and went with a tucked in Mike Hollis.

[starrymessenger]

I don’t think he is a # 1 receiver if what we mean by that is a dedicated X (not to say he couldn’t line up on the boundary at times). Pickens lines up outside about 75% of the time but he ran a 4.47. Not sure it matters Keon not being a true X (except to the extent that it means we still need to find one long term). He could still serve as the go to guy. Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin both worked out of the slot and both are in the HOF. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

11 hours ago, njbuff said:

Coleman slow jokes in 3..2..1..

Coleman was already at 0. It was nice of you to spot him that lead 😁

But seriously I had concerns on draft night that at this point seem to be lain to rest. If the ceiling is high level #2WR that's still a major asset. Let's see if he can stand as a #1

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't mind Coleman as a selection if you were seeing him as a replacement for Gabe Davis. And I had that discussion with @HappyDays way before the 40 time (my concerns with him were never speed, they were separation and the two are different). I think he is a more athletic, more versatile version of Gabe who can do what Gabe could do and more besides. I didn't think he was a true #1 type because he struggled to separate, especially vertically. I still don't. But he was one of the younger guys among this class so I get the bet on traits and hope the best is yet to come take. He had a great game Sunday. He played better Sunday than against the Titans IMO, even though the yardage tally would tell you different.

 

 

Yeah I think you are giving Gabe too much credit.   His hands are really, really bad.   It's not yips or anything like that he just has hard hands......which is a failure of hand-eye coordination where an athlete just can't make the very subtle adjustments needed to quiet and control a fast moving ball.   If you are a good HS athlete in the US you usually play 3 consecutive seasons of sports where you need soft hands to be a good skill player.  How Gabe made it thru the cracks with that deficiency is a mystery(although generally speaking, participation in football is low).........but that's why Gabe throws his hands or claps at the ball,  he has to make a broad movement to compensate for not being able to make the slightest of adjustments.  

 

Subsequently, there just isn't anything Gabe Davis can do with late hands or in a 50/50 situation.   Which, of course, is particularly important when you aren't a natural separator and that really lowers his ceiling.   Gabe was always best suited as a WR3 or a specialist.  

 

I don't think there is any one quality that Coleman has to prove he's not terrible at the way Gabe did.   I'm not going to get carried away with him having some good games in this soft spot of the schedule but I think he's really answered some questions about what he's capable of.   

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, US Egg said:

Has Chris Brown used the “Coleman is grilling” bit yet?

No but dang it all. You just gave him an idea. Don't encourage the man. 

[Andy1]

Another nice factor is Coleman’s style of play works in the snow and crappy weather.