Never Followed PFF..After This, Never Will

[JoPoy88]

6 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

PFF is definitely not perfect and Josh was absolutely better than Geno last weekend. So that's a miss for PFF. Still, if I'm comparing two offensive linemen or linebackers I've never heard of before, PFF is my only option other than finding and watching film beyond YT highlights myself. And I find PFF usually is pretty correlated with players I think had especially bad or good games.

except they are rarely correlated with reality and you definitely have better options out there for that kind of analysis.  

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

PFF is definitely not perfect and Josh was absolutely better than Geno last weekend. So that's a miss for PFF. Still, if I'm comparing two offensive linemen or linebackers I've never heard of before, PFF is my only option other than finding and watching film beyond YT highlights myself. And I find PFF usually is pretty correlated with players I think had especially bad or good games.

 

PFF has Aaron Rodgers graded higher than Josh Allen this season.  

[boyst]

Wrong Josh. Everyone knows that. 

[DuckyBoys]

what do dungeon and dragons geeks know about football anyways?

[DCOrange]

I always like looking at both ESPN's QBR and PFF's ratings to see how similar they are and how they differ. QBR had Josh as below average this week, and I believe his first week this season where's contributed negative points to the team relative to an average QB. They also had Geno rated as the worst QB in the league this week though lol.

 

This week's performance dropped Josh from being #1 on the year to #4 behind Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Kyler Murray.

 

Top 10:

1. Burrow
2. Lamar
3. Kyler
4. Josh
5. Jayden Daniels
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Patrick Mahomes
8. Trevor Lawrence
9. Brock Purdy
10. Kirk Cousins

[CircleTheWagons99]

Poor Football Focus

[BarleyNY]

13 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Like their general dislike of Josh Allen????

They did have him graded as the #1 QB last season and in their “Elite” category pre-season. PFF’s scores are often problematic though. They rate players on a scale against what they’re asked to do. Players like Allen always get graded more severely than ones that are asked to do less (Cousins, Geno Smith, Dak, etc.). 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Allen would receive a higher grade, if he only had a catch phrase, similar to Cousins.  "YOU LIKE THAT?!?!"

[ren1701]

the only rating that matters is the dub. 😀

[Saxum]

9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Turnover worthy, what a joke of a stat. I was a star baseball player worthy because I paid little league and CYO good

 

PFF Turnover worthy trophy.

 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

14 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Josh sucks the big one, we're just stuck with him

We'll have to make do.

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

They rate players on a scale against what they’re asked to do.

Like, be a Super Hero?!?!?

[hondo in seattle]

8 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

PFF is definitely not perfect and Josh was absolutely better than Geno last weekend. So that's a miss for PFF. Still, if I'm comparing two offensive linemen or linebackers I've never heard of before, PFF is my only option other than finding and watching film beyond YT highlights myself. And I find PFF usually is pretty correlated with players I think had especially bad or good games.

 

 

I agree with the bolded.   When we acquire a new midlevel FA, for example, I look at PFF scores because that data is better than the nothingness of my own knowledge.  

 

But I don't trust PFF at all.  The Smith-Allen grades are crazy.   

 

J.J. Watt once said, "The system is terrible.  Do they watch a different film than we do?" 

 

He also said on McAfee that he's sat with coaches and compared PFF grades with coachs' grades and they were "not even close."  

 

Edited 12 hours ago by hondo in seattle

[oldmanfan]

15 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

Don't believe in a lot of this subjective nonsense to begin with, but for those who missed it (according to PFF):

 

Josh Allen graded out with a 64.1 after the Seattle game (guessing it was the fumble and INT??)

Gino Smith graded out at 72.7 

 

Your eyes lied to you..Allen was actually outplayed by Smith on Sunday..and by a considerable margin

Never looked at their stuff, never will.

[BarleyNY]

30 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

Like, be a Super Hero?!?!?

Exactly. No degree of difficulty consideration. Which makes Allen’s 2023 grade that much more impressive. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The problem with PFF grades is they don't add up to the whole enough. There has to be some basis, and that should be overall team performance. 

[MJS]

15 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Oddly enough, Allen’s QBR for that game was 48.7, which is really bad. 

That's why passer rating continues to be the only reliable QB metric. PFF drinks their own kool-aid and QBR is fundamentally flawed.

 

Week 8 passer ratings:

Josh Allen: 102.9

Geno Smith: 78.5

[Utah John]

It sounds like the fix is in, to keep Josh Allen out of the MVP race. 

39 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

I agree with the bolded.   When we acquire a new midlevel FA, for example, I look at PFF scores because that data is better than the nothingness of my own knowledge.  

 

But I don't trust PFF at all.  The Smith-Allen grades are crazy.   

 

J.J. Watt once said, "The system is terrible.  Do they watch a different film than we do?" 

 

He also said on McAfee that he's sat with coaches and compared PFF grades with coachs' grades and they were "not even close."  

 

What this reminds me of is people looking at weather forecasts for a week or more.  Meteorologists know that weather models have almost no skill beyond about 5 days, but weather sites routinely publish forecasts out to 10 days.  I guess people figure that what they see on their phone must be right (how else to explain the current political situation?) even if anyone who knows anything would tell you that it's worthless.  So PFF giving grades to players is like a weather app telling you it won't rain a week from this Friday.  If you decide based on that to schedule a picnic a week from Friday, or to bring in a FA football player based on PFF, you're making a decision based on nothing reliable.

[Toomstone.Part.Duex]

We need to start looking at QB's in round one for 2025.   We should trade up with Carolina and get Sanders.    This PFF rating is unacceptable! 😁

[hondo in seattle]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

That's why passer rating continues to be the only reliable QB metric. PFF drinks their own kool-aid and QBR is fundamentally flawed.

 

Week 8 passer ratings:

Josh Allen: 102.9

Geno Smith: 78.5

 

 

Passer rating is better, IMHO, than QBR or PFF grades.  But it also has flaws because it measures efficiency rather than production,

 

For example, if a QB goes 10 for 15 for 150 yards in a game, he'll be rated exactly the same as a QB who goes 20 of 30 for 300 yards.  

 

I would argue the second QB deserves a higher rating because: 

 

(1) he contributed twice as many yards to the team's offense.

 

(2) because he threw twice as much, the defense probably probably played more pass D.  

 

But both QB completed 67% of their passes for 10 yards per attempt - statistically equivalent if you ignore actual production.  

 

 

[nedboy7]

My friend’s daughters have Josh as number one on their podcast.  I think we can all calm down now.