Khalil Mack trade - what would it take?

[SoMAn]

On 10/28/2024 at 4:29 PM, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

He's 33 years old on an expiring contract, with a cap hit in the range of Cooper. If they lose on Sunday @Cleveland, might the new regime be open to make a deal for the future?

 

AJ Epenesa, Javon Solomon, 2025 Diggs Pick (~#60), and a 2026 1st round for 2nd round pick swap? Is that way too much? Way too little? Not even in the zip code of acceptable for either side?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/14414/khalil-mack

Throw in Josh Allen and just do it Beane!  

 

Why on earth would a 6-2 team, almost certainly going into the playoffs, trade a sold edge, another young defender who hasn't reached his ceiling, and a couple of draft picks, include a #1, for a 9 game rental (I assume his 'expiring contract' ends after this season).

 

You can't be serious. I'm going to assume you're not yet 12-years-old.   

Thank God you're not the GM. 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

I appreciate all the responses and laughed at many of them, my question was "what would it take?" not "I would personally do this, is it dumb or not?" Definitely led with an extreme, so I can see how people reacted so negatively. LOLLL

 

Trying to figure out what a clearing level would be that both sides would be amenable to, if at all. My point was I think we'd have to overpay because the Chargers are still in it, but how much of an overpay, and what compensation would be worth it to get a potential game wrecking edge that would also get the Chargers to bite. Some think Mack isn't that anymore (or never was), and I appreciate that view and if that's the case I wouldn't do it for any price. Others see 17 sacks last season (admittedly me) and say damn we could use that to get past KC.

 

If Von can get back to being that type of player for us then great, that's what he's here for. I hope that's how it plays out! But I wouldn't necessarily bet on it. I think a game wrecking DLineman is the last piece to get this roster over the hump and I hope Beane can make a move for someone somehow at a fair price or even a slight overpay before the deadline. I say overpay in a vacuum, but some things are worth more to one side because they're closer to a goal, hence the question "what would it take?"

 

One poster likened Mack at this point to the early season version of Leonard Floyd before he fell off a cliff, which I liked. Maybe the better question would be what's the max you would pay to add that type of skill set/production for the stretch run this season, and would that be enough to get a (hopefully) 4-4 team with a new regime perhaps thinking more long term to bite?

Edited November 1 by MiracleAtRich1393

[vtnatefootball11]

8 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

I appreciate all the responses and laughed at many of them, my question was "what would it take?" not "I would personally do this, is it dumb or not?" Definitely led with an extreme, so I can see how people reacted so negatively. LOLLL

 

Trying to figure out what a clearing level would be that both sides would be amenable to, if at all. My point was I think we'd have to overpay because the Chargers are still in it, but how much of an overpay, and what compensation would be worth it to get a potential game wrecking edge that would also get the Chargers to bite. Some think Mack isn't that anymore (or never was), and I appreciate that view and if that's the case I wouldn't do it for any price. Others see 17 sacks last season (admittedly me) and say damn we could use that to get past KC.

 

If Von can get back to being that type of player for us then great, that's what he's here for. I hope that's how it plays out! But I wouldn't necessarily bet on it. I think a game wrecking DLineman is the last piece to get this roster over the hump and I hope Beane can make a move for someone somehow at a fair price or even a slight overpay before the deadline. I say overpay in a vacuum, but some things are worth more to one side because they're closer to a goal, hence the question "what would it take?"

 

One poster likened Mack at this point to the early season version of Leonard Floyd before he fell off a cliff, which I liked. Maybe the better question would be what's the max you would pay to add that type of skill set/production for the stretch run this season, and would that be enough to get a (hopefully) 4-4 team with a new regime perhaps thinking more long term to bite?

 

We aren't trading for a DE . It's not a need. We are actually quite deep there. It's a useless exercise/topic.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

We aren't trading for a DE . It's not a need. We are actually quite deep there. It's a useless exercise/topic.

 

 

Rousseau has a penchant for foot injuries.  Von could get hurt again or be suspended more.   

So no, we are not that deep IMO

[PromoTheRobot]

As much as I love UB players, and he is still considered the greatest, he's never had that much is an impact in the NFL and he's more a "paycheck" player these days. Pass 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

As much as I love UB players, and he is still considered the greatest, he's never had that much is an impact in the NFL and he's more a "paycheck" player these days. Pass 

Okay I get that he's past his prime obviously but 105 career sacks, 3 time first team all-pro, 1 DPOY, another 2nd in DPOY voting behind only Aaron Donald in 2018, and finishing top 10 in DPOY voting just last year isn't much of an impact?

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

Okay I get that he's past his prime obviously but 105 career sacks, 3 time first team all-pro, 1 DPOY, another 2nd in DPOY voting behind only Aaron Donald in 2018, and finishing top 10 in DPOY voting just last year isn't much of an impact?

 

There are guys who collect stats and guys who make a difference. Mack was never a difference maker for any team he played for. The fact he's moved around tells you that as well. And don't skate past the age thing. You'd think signing Von Miller would be enough of a lesson.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

There are guys who collect stats and guys who make a difference. Mack was never a difference maker for any team he played for. The fact he's moved around tells you that as well. And don't skate past the age thing. You'd think signing Von Miller would be enough of a lesson.

He was a complete beast on those Bears teams that almost made a run with Mitch Trubisky at QB 🤣

 

And the age thing obviously but that's mitigated by a contract as short and small as Cooper's so not quite the commitment like Von

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

When we jumped up to #4 in the 2014 draft I was like 'holy crap we're gonna get Khalil Mack!'.  Instead, football genius Doug Whaley took Sammy Watkins. 
 

I will say that when I saw Mack's name on a list of impending free agents a month or 2 ago I thought maybe we finally right that wrong and bring him back where he should have been.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

AJ: 11 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 FF (26 years old)
Mack: 10 solo tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF (33 years old)

 

Yea... no thanks. 

[stinky finger]

On 10/28/2024 at 4:34 PM, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

what do you think it would take?

 

A firm handshake and a ",hey.... how are ya"?

[BillsShredder83]

On 10/28/2024 at 4:38 PM, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

Man had 17 sacks last year!

thats actually shocking! in the previous 4 seasons he had:

8.5, 9, 6, 8 and only 3.5 this year

 

Dude hit the sauce hard last year? I see it was his 2nd year after an injury..... but how does he drop from 17 to a pace of 7 this year?  Dude was injured, recovered last year and played lights out, and then hit the wall with age this year?

 

Thats possible without him turning himself into a human pin cushion for sure, but unlikely, and I want no part of it at this point, and certainly not for any real compensation, or any at all even if he was a FA

 

Give Soloman those reps

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

thats actually shocking! in the previous 4 seasons he had:

8.5, 9, 6, 8 and only 3.5 this year

 

Dude hit the sauce hard last year? I see it was his 2nd year after an injury..... but how does he drop from 17 to a pace of 7 this year?  Dude was injured, recovered last year and played lights out, and then hit the wall with age this year?

 

Thats possible without him turning himself into a human pin cushion for sure, but unlikely, and I want no part of it at this point, and certainly not for any real compensation, or any at all even if he was a FA

 

Give Soloman those reps

 

He had a 6 sack game against the hapless Raiders. That helps.

[ganesh]

18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

There are guys who collect stats and guys who make a difference. Mack was never a difference maker for any team he played for. The fact he's moved around tells you that as well. And don't skate past the age thing. You'd think signing Von Miller would be enough of a lesson.

Give me a T.J Watt anyday

[Big Turk]

Since he used to play for the Bulls, would this qualify as the Return of the Mack of the Bills traded for him?

 

 

Edited November 2 by Big Turk

[Sierra Foothills]

On 10/31/2024 at 9:08 AM, SoonerBillsFan said:

Or Quit the Big Nickle crap and move to a 3-4 attacking Defense. HUGE NT's big DE's and LB's that can attack. They hold against a LB coming off the corner is a hell of a lot more obvious and tougher to do as you don't know where the attack is coming from.  

 

Not opposed to your idea but as you know...

 

20 hours ago, stinky finger said:

A firm handshake and a ",hey.... how are ya"?

 

Also make good eye contact.

 

[BullBuchanan]

Chargers are more likely to be buyers than sellers.

[White Linen]

On 11/1/2024 at 1:21 PM, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

He was a complete beast on those Bears teams that almost made a run with Mitch Trubisky at QB 🤣

 

And the age thing obviously but that's mitigated by a contract as short and small as Cooper's so not quite the commitment like Von

 

You're a genuine person.   Some posters mocked and insulted you and you remained cool.  I appreciate you starting the post and for being you.  I hadn't seen this thread until this afternoon and it was rather inspiring.

[dave mcbride]

On 11/1/2024 at 12:09 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

As much as I love UB players, and he is still considered the greatest, he's never had that much is an impact in the NFL and he's more a "paycheck" player these days. Pass 

This is a ridiculous and uninformed take. Come on! He has had a *fantastic* career. He is a four time all pro, he won Defensive player of the Year once, and finished second in DPOY voting another time. The time he finished second, for the 2018 Bears, that defense finished first overall in the league. He has 105 lifetime sacks and a lifetime AV (via PFR’s WAR-like metric) of 116, which is creeping toward hall of fame level. As for last season, the Chargers had a TON of problems in their secondary and he STILL had 17 sacks. He was hardly the problem last season.

 

He is also durable, having missed only 12 games in an 11-year career.

Edited November 2 by dave mcbride

[dave mcbride]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He had a 6 sack game against the hapless Raiders. That helps.

And he had 11 sacks over the next 13 games. Let’s say that the 6 is an outlier and that he only deserved 2 (a stupid argument but you get my point). That’s still 13, which is more than any Bill has had since 2014.

 

Comment from Mack: ‘"I felt like I would look on Twitter and people would be like, '17 sacks, but he had six in one game'. It's like, damn, is that a bad thing? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten six in one game. Maybe I should've did three," Mack said with a laugh.’

On 11/1/2024 at 12:54 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

There are guys who collect stats and guys who make a difference. Mack was never a difference maker for any team he played for. The fact he's moved around tells you that as well. And don't skate past the age thing. You'd think signing Von Miller would be enough of a lesson.

Mack isn’t going to be traded so I don’t care about that, but you gotta stop with this take on Mack. It’s just factually wrong, and obviously so.

 

From Harbaugh in mid-September (and bear in mind that the Chargers’ defense is currently number one in points allowed): 

 

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1833956507542847988
 

 

Edited November 2 by dave mcbride