Irv Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) Would anybody be surprised if this election is not decided until six months into 2025? This election cycle has been such a f*cking joke, there is no way it will be settled by the morning of 11/6. The Democrats tried to run a mental incompetent to keep Obammy in power. Then Pelosi commits a coup...to keep Obama in power. They try to jail Trump three or four times without success. They try to pull a fast one to get Hunter off Scot free. and watch idly as three wars start and Todd gets to have a ninth month abortion so he can compete in the NCAA swimming championships. Then President Trump gets nearly assassinated twice by the Demented Biden White House. How can this election end without controversy, lawsuits, another assassination attempt? No way. Not possible. What a mess. Edited October 28 by Irv 1 2
Sojourner Posted October 28 Posted October 28 I no longer care about the illusion of choice. If I’m dedicating my time and energy to anything political it is local first then state elections. Those have more of an impact in my life. Even then, they couldn’t give two F’s about 99.9% of us. Don’t worry about it. It’s a reality-drama show now. 2 4 2
BillsFanNC Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Im sticking with the prediction I've been making for four years. Trump will never be POTUS again. The regime simply will not give up power. If it takes even more blatant out in the open cheating and rigging they will absolutely do it without hesitation. Whatever it takes. No holds barred. 3 2 1
Westside Posted October 28 Posted October 28 I honestly think it is going to be such a blowout in Trumps favor that it would be impossible to hand the presidency over to camaltoe. 2 2
GMB 8888 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) Trump wins in a landslide! He’ll set a record for votes cast and win the popular vote. Literally cannot wait to see this all go down, America will finally get the leader it deserves. Edited October 28 by GMB 8888 1
K D Posted October 28 Posted October 28 32 minutes ago, Sojourner said: I no longer care about the illusion of choice. If I’m dedicating my time and energy to anything political it is local first then state elections. Those have more of an impact in my life. Even then, they couldn’t give two F’s about 99.9% of us. Don’t worry about it. It’s a reality-drama show now. I really wish I could get back to that thought process. I didn't give a crap about elections before 2020 and honestly didn't know much of anything about politics in 2016. Those were happier times. 3 1
Sojourner Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 minute ago, K D said: I really wish I could get back to that thought process. I didn't give a crap about elections before 2020 and honestly didn't know much of anything about politics in 2016. Those were happier times. I hear you. It’s tough cause it’s more in your face than it ever has been since the shift in social media and online presence. Even more so now, the animosity behind general politics isn’t worth my energy. It’s sometimes, from what it seems, a high school clique and popularity contest fraught with labeling and bullying from both sides of the field. Be it some more than others. Do I still pay attention to it? Absolutely, it’s defining of the country’s future but local legislation is something I can actually be involved firsthand rather than it be a third party source telling me how I’m getting bent over via tax adjustment/anticipation, zoning and coding, my children’s education etc. Growing up I’m sure a lot of us heard the expression “never talk about religion or politics”. That never rang more true. Caring about national/federal politics causes more problems than it’s worth. We’re all floating down the same sh-t filled river just in different boats regardless of who you vote for. 2
GMB 8888 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Stop talking about local elections, they don’t mean anything. We only discuss the big boys here! Trump cures all ills, local and national. get on board! 1 1 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) I'll give a serious response. I want Harris to win, or more accurately, I want Trump to lose. But I don't understand how being a fan makes people unable to make predictions against their fandom. There was never a time I wanted the dynasty Pats to beat the Bills, but I would have never ever bet on the Bills straight up to beat the Pats in any of those games. So ... if I were a betting man, my money's on Trump by a slim margin. - Kamala will win the popular vote, but probably by less than Biden's margin. I say about 2.5 points. My main hope for Kamala: I have yet to see evidence that Trump could ever get beyond the 48.5% of the popular vote he's received in the last couple tries, so I am deeply skeptical of any poll that has him cracking the 50% barrier. So to be specific, I'd say Kamala 51%, Trump 48.5%, a few assorted RFK Jr. and 3rd party votes. - Trump will win the electoral college, and I do think PA will be pivotal. Most models say that if Kamala doesn't win the popular vote by more than 2.5%, she likely doesn't win the electoral college. (Not causation, but a strong correlation) - Trump will also win NC, AZ, NV - Reps will win the Senate and have at least the necessary 50 senators (Vance as tie-breaker) to control it. - Dems will win seats in the House, taking it to just about 50/50. This to me is key. If the Republicans keep power in the House, win the Senate, and win the White House (they already have the Supreme Court), there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes. Edited October 28 by The Frankish Reich 1 1
K D Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'll give a serious response. I want Harris to win, or more accurately, I want Trump to lose. But I don't understand how being a fan makes people unable to make predictions against their fandom. There was never a time I wanted the dynasty Pats to beat the Bills, but I would have never ever bet on the Bills straight up to beat the Pats in any of those games. So ... if I were a betting man, my money's on Trump by a slim margin. - Kamala will win the popular vote, but probably by less than Biden's margin. I say about 2.5 points. My main hope for Kamala: I have yet to see evidence that Trump could ever get beyond the 48.5% of the popular vote he's received in the last couple tries, so I am deeply skeptical of any poll that has him cracking the 50% barrier. So to be specific, I'd say Kamala 51%, Trump 48.5%, a few assorted RFK Jr. and 3rd party votes. - Trump will win the electoral college, and I do think PA will be pivotal. Most models say that if Kamala doesn't win the popular vote by more than 2.5%, she likely doesn't win the electoral college. (Not causation, but a strong correlation) - Trump will also win NC, AZ, NV - Reps will win the Senate and have at least the necessary 50 senators (Vance as tie-breaker) to control it. - Dems will win seats in the House, taking it to just about 50/50. This to me is key. If the Republicans keep power in the House, win the Senate, and win the White House (they already have the Supreme Court), there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes. I hope for a fair and honest election and if Trump wins then let him do whatever he's going to do without the fake news and legal and impeachment stuff. He's not Hitler. Hopefully the Left takes the high road and tries again next time but I highly doubt it. In which case, maybe Trump and Elon need to clean house and maybe it gets worse before it gets better but less government swamp is for the better for both sides. The government should represent the people. Enough with this Nancy Pelosi type crap where they are in government for 30 years and have unbelievable wealth when they supposedly make 150k per year. They get rich and nothing changes. We want change. That's why we are voting Trump, for better or for worse. He's leading for a reason. Dems blew it. 3 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 minute ago, K D said: He's leading for a reason. Dems blew it. Oh, I agree the Dems blew it. The proper thing to do was for Biden to announce he wasn't running and for the Dems to have a primary process in which a better candidate - not tied so closely to Biden - likely would have emerged. But Trump is not "leading." In fact, I misstated his highest popular vote share. It wasn't 48.5%. It was 46.8% in 2020. I think that's very, very close to his ceiling, so maybe he gets to 48, but he ain't getting to 50. But given his electoral college advantage, 48 or even 46.8 may do it for him.
K D Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Oh, I agree the Dems blew it. The proper thing to do was for Biden to announce he wasn't running and for the Dems to have a primary process in which a better candidate - not tied so closely to Biden - likely would have emerged. But Trump is not "leading." In fact, I misstated his highest popular vote share. It wasn't 48.5%. It was 46.8% in 2020. I think that's very, very close to his ceiling, so maybe he gets to 48, but he ain't getting to 50. But given his electoral college advantage, 48 or even 46.8 may do it for him. It's pretty much 50-50. When one side has all of the media, celebrities, corporations, and probably 3x the money and they are still tied with the other guy who they say is "literally Hitler" then it's time to examine your platform. 1. The fake news stuff needs to end. If Trump was so bad then we would see it for ourselves, they don't have to make stuff up. It just hurts their case and makes us not trust them for anything. They still haven't learned this after almost a decade of Orange Man Bad. 2. Enough with the cheating, make the elections so secure nobody could say otherwise and ship all of the illegals back. 3. People who disagree with you aren't racists or Nazis. We all just want the best for ourselves and this country. Stop with the BS rhetoric. 4. Stop with the DEI candidates. Go through the primary process and let the best candidates be your nominee for President and VP. When you say the only qualification for the VP is a "woman of color" I'll just assume they are not the best candidate and not want to vote for them. 5. I'm probably forgetting other things but the Dems had a chance to take the high road and they when confronted with someone who went low they decided to go lower and our country has never been more divided. If they came out with some common sense alternatives maybe they would make a better case. I won't get into actual policy because that's a matter of opinion and both sides think they are right. I don't care either way as long as they leave me alone and let me make a good living for my family. 3 1 1
Irv Posted October 28 Author Posted October 28 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'll give a serious response. I want Harris to win, or more accurately, I want Trump to lose. But I don't understand how being a fan makes people unable to make predictions against their fandom. There was never a time I wanted the dynasty Pats to beat the Bills, but I would have never ever bet on the Bills straight up to beat the Pats in any of those games. So ... if I were a betting man, my money's on Trump by a slim margin. - Kamala will win the popular vote, but probably by less than Biden's margin. I say about 2.5 points. My main hope for Kamala: I have yet to see evidence that Trump could ever get beyond the 48.5% of the popular vote he's received in the last couple tries, so I am deeply skeptical of any poll that has him cracking the 50% barrier. So to be specific, I'd say Kamala 51%, Trump 48.5%, a few assorted RFK Jr. and 3rd party votes. - Trump will win the electoral college, and I do think PA will be pivotal. Most models say that if Kamala doesn't win the popular vote by more than 2.5%, she likely doesn't win the electoral college. (Not causation, but a strong correlation) - Trump will also win NC, AZ, NV - Reps will win the Senate and have at least the necessary 50 senators (Vance as tie-breaker) to control it. - Dems will win seats in the House, taking it to just about 50/50. This to me is key. If the Republicans keep power in the House, win the Senate, and win the White House (they already have the Supreme Court), there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes. You were making sense until you weren't. Maybe next time. But probably not.
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 minutes ago, K D said: I won't get into actual policy because that's a matter of opinion and both sides think they are right. I will. Immigration: I wanted Biden to win. I want Harris to win. But as soon as Biden was elected I predicted that immigration would continue to be the Dems' Achilles heel. Biden promised one of those "first day" immigration actions. It was a ridiculous moratorium on enforcement. OK, so maybe he was waiting a bit to put out his serious immigration reform proposal. That came out the following month. It was a joke. Basically an amnesty for anyone who'd been in the country since the day before the election. Yeah, those "long term Americans in all but name" who'd been here 3 months. Not a serious proposal. It paved the way for another burst of illegal immigration, and gave Trump the issue all over again. Bill Clinton knew how to deal with this, with a true enforcement-oriented bill. Biden didn't follow his lead. He followed his left wing advisors. 2 minutes ago, Irv said: You were making sense until you weren't. Maybe next time. But probably not. So ... what doesn't make sense?
Irv Posted October 28 Author Posted October 28 36 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'll give a serious response. I want Harris to win, or more accurately, I want Trump to lose. But I don't understand how being a fan makes people unable to make predictions against their fandom. There was never a time I wanted the dynasty Pats to beat the Bills, but I would have never ever bet on the Bills straight up to beat the Pats in any of those games. So ... if I were a betting man, my money's on Trump by a slim margin. - Kamala will win the popular vote, but probably by less than Biden's margin. I say about 2.5 points. My main hope for Kamala: I have yet to see evidence that Trump could ever get beyond the 48.5% of the popular vote he's received in the last couple tries, so I am deeply skeptical of any poll that has him cracking the 50% barrier. So to be specific, I'd say Kamala 51%, Trump 48.5%, a few assorted RFK Jr. and 3rd party votes. - Trump will win the electoral college, and I do think PA will be pivotal. Most models say that if Kamala doesn't win the popular vote by more than 2.5%, she likely doesn't win the electoral college. (Not causation, but a strong correlation) - Trump will also win NC, AZ, NV - Reps will win the Senate and have at least the necessary 50 senators (Vance as tie-breaker) to control it. - Dems will win seats in the House, taking it to just about 50/50. This to me is key. If the Republicans keep power in the House, win the Senate, and win the White House (they already have the Supreme Court), there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes. "there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes" What schemes?
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28 Posted October 28 33 minutes ago, Irv said: "there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes" What schemes? The wild ones. By which I mean, pretty much all of them.
Roundybout Posted October 28 Posted October 28 41 minutes ago, Irv said: "there is effectively no check on Trump's wilder schemes" What schemes? Saying insane things all the time
Irv Posted October 28 Author Posted October 28 17 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Saying insane things all the time What schemes? Can you read?
Roundybout Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 minutes ago, Irv said: What schemes? Can you read? How 'bout his plan to reintroduce Mckinleynomics? 1
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