Why was Greg Rousseau not credited with a sack on Geno's 4th down slip

[Estro]

I believe Rousseau was the defender that touched Geno Smith down when he tripped on the 4th down goal line try. Wouldn't that be credited as a sack for Groot?  He didn't receive credit for a sack on the play. Confused me

Edited October 28, 2024 by Estro

[Simon]

  On 10/28/2024 at 12:33 AM, Estro said:

I believe Rousseau was the defender that touched Geno Smith down when he tripped on the 4th down goal line try. Wouldn't that be credited as a sack for Groot?  He didn't receive credit for a sack on the play. Confused me

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Its a scoring issue I don't really understand, but it's considered a "run" play so it just goes down as a tackle for loss.

[BillsFan130]

That's ok. Let's keep the sacks down when we can. Less money when the contract negotiations start😉

[Matt_In_NH]

If it never is clear if run or pass then it goes as a run

[dave mcbride]

  On 10/28/2024 at 12:33 AM, Estro said:

I believe Rousseau was the defender that touched Geno Smith down when he tripped on the 4th down goal line try. Wouldn't that be credited as a sack for Groot?  He didn't receive credit for a sack on the play. Confused me

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He does get the TFL (an underrated stat!).

[Sojourner]

  On 10/28/2024 at 12:59 AM, dave mcbride said:

He does get the TFL (an underrated stat!).

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Absolutely, TFL; the sack form of a non-passing play. 
 

That’s why, for me, I rank TJ Watt & Crosby as 1-2/2-1 in the league for edge. 

[BillsfaninAZ]

Someone help me out.  When Geno Smith got tripped up on the 4th and goal play and went down behind the line of scrimmage, Rousseau appeared to be the first to touch him afterwards.  How come he wasn't credited with a sack? What am I missing here?  

[Augie]

Maybe just because he’s behind the LOS doesn't make it a pass attempt. It could just be a TFL because it might have been a run play?  🤷‍♂️

[MJS]

It was counted as a rushing attempt, so it counts as a tackle for loss. They don't know for sure it was going to be a pass play, so it counts as a QB run play. It is what it is, but it is by the book.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Smith never established an intent to throw, so it's not scored a passing play. It's a TFL on a rush attempt 

[Jon in Pasadena]

  On 10/29/2024 at 8:20 PM, BillsfaninAZ said:

Someone help me out.  When Geno Smith got tripped up on the 4th and goal play and went down behind the line of scrimmage, Rousseau appeared to be the first to touch him afterwards.  How come he wasn't credited with a sack? What am I missing here?  

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Probably not sure it was a pass play. (TFL on the QB on running plays not counted as sacks)

[Goin Breakdown]

  On 10/29/2024 at 8:23 PM, Augie said:

Maybe just because he’s behind the LOS doesn't make it a pass attempt. It could just be a TFL because it might have been a run play?  🤷‍♂️

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So I wonder if that would make a designed QB run a sack if behind the line. Seemed like that's always been a sack. Idk. Interesting tho

[MJS]

  On 10/29/2024 at 8:27 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

So I wonder if that would make a designed QB run a sack if behind the line. Seemed like that's always been a sack. Idk. Interesting tho

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Nope. Those are counted as TFLs.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

  On 10/29/2024 at 8:27 PM, MJS said:

Nope. Those are counted as TFLs.

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Yup. And if the QB is obviously scrambling but steps OOB behind the LOS it is counted as a sack as well.