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The tenacity of Keon Coleman


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10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Woolen was chirping early in the game and Keon wasn't going to have it.

Woolen made the pro bowl in '22 as a rookie and was the NFL co leader in INTs that season.

 

He probably thought he could get in our rookie's head but found out pretty quick he was mistaken.

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Coleman followed up his breakout game last week with another very solid effort today.  The TD was awesome and the way he worked back to a couple balls today makes me think he really does understand what it takes for him to be successful in this league.  But, as good as today was, it could have been even better.  I know there are a few plays he wants back, probably none more-so than the drop on a perfect hole shot down the sideline.  He got both hands on it, and I am pretty sure he knows that that is a ball he needs to come down with. 

 

But hey, good on the rook for building on a great game overall.  Keep grinding, Keon.....

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3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

After what I watched these last 2 weeks, he doesn't need elite speed. He's an absolute dominator on jump balls, back shoulder etc.  And his specialty is what we saw at the combine.  Elite hands on crossing routes.

I agree with you, but NFL teams do need a receiver of two with some serious speed.  There are some receivers in the league whose physical talents make speed irrelevant.  AJ Brown has been dominant as a physical receiver who wasn't terribly fast.  Still, having some speed at the WR position has some advantages, including forcing defenses to play a little deeper, thus opening up both the underneath passing game and the running game.  If teams don't respect your speed the defensive backs all tend to play closer to the LOS and it becomes tougher to make plays.  If you have just one physical freak like Coleman, teams can just double cover him or at least move the safeties in his direction.  Coleman is becoming a key player in the passing game, but Shakir has some traits that make him difficult to cover.  Amari Cooper, when he becomes more fully comfortable with the offense, is fast enough to make defenses respect his speed.  I think all three are going to be pretty important moving forward in helping the offense to be explosive.  If the Bills aren't able to extend Cooper after the season, I could see Buffalo trying to add another receiver in the draft to take the role of a speed guy.

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13 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Just how savage can Coleman become? He's beginning to come into his own and bringing the full WR package with him. 

 

Looking forward to more of this... 

 

 

A certain WR in Houston would never even attempt something like that. 

 

Likely ACL injury,  wish I wish on no player, especially a FA 

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10 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Agreed.

There were no flags until the CB shoved him after the play and Coleman walked away from it.

Then you're going to suddenly decide he should be penalized?

Horse#@*&.

Yep that dude wouldn't disengage and its because he was trying to throw him lol he was too strong for that

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8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I am just waiting for the apology thread for all the Keon doubters and haters to apologize to the rest of us 😂


I've been happily posting that Keon is making me look like a fool so far in various threads, and if he keeps it up, my pre-draft anti-Keon position will go in the "All-time giant idiot takes from an armchair GM" Hall of Fame next to my anti-Josh opinion from 2018. Kid is killing it, and I'm thrilled to (apparently) have been super wrong about him.

That said...

Have you posted your apology thread for saying that our receiving corps was gonna be just fine this year?

Because us WR worriers were shouting from the rooftops that something more needed to be done at WR, and you were one of the leaders of the "we'll be just fine" chorus, extolling Curtis Samuel's virtues and saying we shouldn't worry about Mack Hollins being a starting outside receiver for us. And last I checked, Samuel has been a zero, Hollins DID start at outside receiver and our worries about him WERE justified, and the Bills just traded a 3rd for Amari Cooper, thus admitting their WR corps was lacking.

So if we're doing "WR apology threads"....you first! :beer:

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51 minutes ago, Logic said:


I've been happily posting that Keon is making me look like a fool so far in various threads, and if he keeps it up, my pre-draft anti-Keon position will go in the "All-time giant idiot takes from an armchair GM" Hall of Fame next to my anti-Josh opinion from 2018. Kid is killing it, and I'm thrilled to (apparently) have been super wrong about him.

That said...

Have you posted your apology thread for saying that our receiving corps was gonna be just fine this year?

Because us WR worriers were shouting from the rooftops that something more needed to be done at WR, and you were one of the leaders of the "we'll be just fine" chorus, extolling Curtis Samuel's virtues and saying we shouldn't worry about Mack Hollins being a starting outside receiver for us. And last I checked, Samuel has been a zero, Hollins DID start at outside receiver and our worries about him WERE justified, and the Bills just traded a 3rd for Amari Cooper, thus admitting their WR corps was lacking.

So if we're doing "WR apology threads"....you first! :beer:

 

Lol...let me clarify my comment first:  It wasn't a serious comment, it was a tongue and cheek joke referring to the "everyone owes Badol an apology thread" that was embarrassingly on this board last week before it was deleted. 

 

 

Back up though on the rest...don't get my offseason comments twisted.  I never proclaimed anything about our WR group.  This happens all the time...people confuse activity in a thread with substance and you could not be more wrong about what I personally actually said. 

  1. Samuel - I never pushed Samuel, in fact, I pushed back against the people like Badol who kept saying Samuel was our WR1 and literally said no it is Keon Coleman and that our top 3 targets will be Keon, Shakir, and Kincaid in no particular order.  And that has been spot on.
  2. Hollins - The Hollins comments were SPECIFICALLY about @Kirby Jackson worrying that Keon Coleman was "behind" Mack Hollins because of some comments he read or heard during preseason from some Bills talk commentators.  
    1. What I actually stated (and has been 100% spot on) was that Keon is absolutely NOT behind Mack Hollins as Keon had taken 100% of his snaps in camp and preseason with the 1's and never a single snap with the 2's.  Hollins had been splitting between the 1's and 2's and that Mack Hollins was getting reps in preseason and practice with the ones because they absolutely had a role for him and that role was NOT at the expense of Coleman's role.  
      1. And week 1, neither Hollins or Coleman were on the field for the first play of the game (a run) and the 2nd play of the game (a pass) it was Coleman on the field, not Mack and Coleman led the team in snaps and receiving week 1 and been ahead of Hollins like I said since day 1.
    2. I constantly stated Mack Hollins was a 5th or 6th target/receiver on this team.  Literally that was the biggest gap in my convesation with @Kirby Jacksonwhere I kept saying he was too worked up about a guy who will finish the season no better than the 5th or 6th target on this team.  Kirby and I were not even that divided per se on the overall subject of the WR room, it was just this one thing where he was worked up thinking Keon was falling behind because he misunderstood Hollins involvement to be a ding on Keon when it was Samuel who Hollins was taking snaps from opposite Keon.  

So respectfuly, please don't try and twist my words as if I was on here propping up Mack Hollins this offseason as a "starting WR" here or that Samuel was going to be our savior.  I never said any of those things.  Furthermore, I never declared our WR room was anything...there is a BIG difference in not being willing to CONDEMN the WR room before the season begins and having optimism and wanting to see them on the field first.  

 

I also literally said many times Beane was not done with the WR room, but that $31M dead money in the WR room meant it was more likely going to come next year via trade, FA or draft (or some combo).  However, Beane wizard his way into getting help this year cheap with Amari, which was awesome and something I was all for in my posts.  

 

Was I optimistic about guys like Shakir, Kincaid, and of course Keon...absolutely.  Was I all doom and gloom about the WR room...nope.  I was optimistic that Diggs and Davis being gone were addition by subtraction (which it was, Josh has 1 INT) and that our top 3 guys were a great young core (which they are).  And when the offense struggled weeks 4 and 5 I was on here with others encouraging Beane to make a move.  

 

Cheers, GO BILLS! :beer:

 

 

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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol...let me clarify my comment first:  It wasn't a serious comment, it was a tongue and cheek joke referring to the "everyone owes Badol an apology thread" that was embarrassingly on this board last week before it was deleted. 

 

 

Back up though on the rest...don't get my offseason comments twisted.  I never proclaimed anything about our WR group.  This happens all the time...people confuse activity in a thread with substance and you could not be more wrong about what I personally actually said. 

  1. Samuel - I never pushed Samuel, in fact, I pushed back against the people like Badol who kept saying Samuel was our WR1 and literally said no it is Keon Coleman and that our top 3 targets will be Keon, Shakir, and Kincaid in no particular order.  And that has been spot on.
  2. Hollins - The Hollins comments were SPECIFICALLY about @Kirby Jackson worrying that Keon Coleman was "behind" Mack Hollins because of some comments he read or heard during preseason.  
    1. What I actually stated (and has been 100% spot on) was that Keon is absolutely NOT behind Mack Hollins as Keon had taken 100% of his snaps in camp and preseason with the 1's and never a single snap with the 2's.  Hollins had been splitting between the 1's and 2's and that Mack Hollins was getting reps in preseason and practice with the ones because they absolutely had a role for him and that role was NOT at the expense of Coleman.
      1. And week 1, neither Hollins or Coleman were on the field for the first play of the game (a run) and the 2nd play of the game (a pass) it was Coleman on the field, not Mack and Coleman led the team in snaps and receiving week 1 and been ahead of Hollins like I said since day 1.
    2. I constantly stated Mack Hollins was a 5th or 6th target/receiver on this team.  Literally that was the biggest gap in my convesation with @Kirby Jacksonwhere I kept saying he was too worked up about a guy who will finish the season no better than the 5th or 6th target on this team.  Kirby and I were not even that divided per se on the overall subject of the WR room, it was just this one thing where he was worked up thinking Keon was falling behind because he misunderstood Hollins involvement to be a ding on Keon when it was Samuel who Hollins was taking snaps from opposite Keon.  

So respectfuly, please don't try and twist my words as if I was on here propping up Mack Hollins this offseason as a "starting WR" here or that Samuel was going to be our savior.  I never said any of those things.  Furthermore, I never declared our WR room was anything...there is a BIG difference in not being willing to CONDEMN the WR room before the season begins and having optimism and wanting to see them on the field first.  

 

I also literally said many times Beane was not done with the WR room, but that $31M dead money in the WR room meant it was more likely going to come next year via trade, FA or draft (or some combo).  However, Beane wizard his way into getting help this year cheap with Amari, which was awesome and something I was all for in my posts.  

 

Was I optimistic about guys like Shakir, Kincaid, and of course Keon...absolutely.  Was I all doom and gloom about the WR room...nope.  I was optimistic that Diggs and Davis being gone were addition by subtraction and that our top 3 guys were a great young core...which they are.  And when the offense struggled weeks 4 and 5 I was on here with others encouraging Beane to make a move.   

 

Cheers, GO BILLS! :beer:

 

 

Not reading this novel (I’m at work) but saw me mentioned twice. Coleman was playing behind Hollins (who is still a scrub WR). They have moved Coleman around since the Cooper addition and he has been quite good. He looks like a player (as I’ve said numerous times on here over the last few weeks). My opinion on the receiver room is that they are pretty good with a healthy Shakir and Cooper taking attention. The have a couple of guys in Shakir and Coleman that run after the catch. They have Cooper to prevent teams from playing zero as the Ravens did and daring guys to beat them down the field. That addition changed the way teams had to defend the Bills. 

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