Diggs hurt (Torn ACL - out for the season)

[Charles Romes]

He will take a Beckham $5M deal…in 2026, will put up 375, and that will be about it, maybe an old Julio-like appearance on some roster in ‘27.  Durability was extraordinary for so long.  

[MikePJ76]

10 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

So do we need to take emotion out of it and root for the Jets?

Yes.

 

The texans conference record will be a big deciding factor in where this all shakes out since it seems they will win their division easily.

[SCBills]

Maybe we’ll never know

 

 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Maybe we’ll never know

 

 

 

Maybe waiting for some swelling to subside?

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Maybe we’ll never know

 

 

"We didn't know for 9 months then we figured out in was an ACL tear. Wild huh? We thought he might be pregnant. Man our doctors suck" 

Just now, Simon said:

 

Maybe waiting for some swelling to subside?

 

 

That's what happened with Von in 2022

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I hope he's ok.  He was a great Buffalo Bill

[RiotAct]

11 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

So do we need to take emotion out of it and root for the Jets?

Yes.

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

"We didn't know for 9 months then we figured out in was an ACL tear. Wild huh? We thought he might be pregnant. Man our doctors suck" 

That's what happened with Von in 2022

And Rice.  It’s not good either way.  Hope for the best for him.   

[TheBrownBear]

It got a little ugly towards the end, but Diggs provided us with some great memories and he did help elevate Josh into a God-tier level QB.  I hope it's just a sprain.

[dma0034]

My ultimate hope this season was the Bills beating the Texans in like the AFC Championship game and Diggs watching. Always hate when players get hurt no matter what. Hoping it's like a bad sprain or something

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I hope he's ok.  He was a great Buffalo Bill

 

Unlikely based on what happened.  Almost a 99.8% torn ACL

[Maynard]

It sure looks like an ACL. 

[Einstein's Dog]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't disagree at all about Stefs motivation...however...keep something in mind though when looking at that perspective.  There is a big difference in taking less for a chance to win a Super Bowl than flat out losing $25-30M at the end of your career.  No doubt Diggs cares more about playing in and winning a SB than he does about where he ranks in the NFL on the pay scale amongst WR's.  But it's also easy to feel that way when you are still making $20M+ a season too.  Coming off a major injury (if it is an ACL, and lets hope its not) at his age will result in a fraction of what he would have made had he finished his deal in Buffalo.  And let's not forget, more than once in his career he was unhappy with his contract, so he does care some about money still as would anyone.  

 

I really hope it is not an ACL though or any other serious injury.  I have never had anything against Diggs, and still don't.  

It looks like you're insinuating Diggs took less for a chance to win a Super Bowl - complete hogwash IMO.

 

Diggs main motivation for leaving IMO was the promotion of J Brady and what was to be the offensive philosophy of the Bills.  Diggs wanted out. it seemed like Diggs was actively undermining J Brady - from not trying on several plays that weren't designed for him, to taking himself out at critical times (like 3rd downs).

 

One benefit of this injury is it would seem like it would greatly diminish (probably end) S Diggs HOF chances.

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didn't insinuate anything.  He factually and consciously took less money to get out of Buffalo.  And the reason he wanted out was because his lack of faith he can win the SB here before his career was over.  He had plenty of issues here before Brady was the OC.  In fact, pretty much all publicly reported drama occured under Dorsey from the Bengals playoff game, leaving on day 1 when they reported back, the blow up after the week 1 Jets game, etc.  

 

His frustration was tied to losing and not his role under Brady which came after the fact.  I am sure he also didn't agree with exactly how he was used under Brady, but that was far from the main part of his story.  

 

And to get to Houston, he knew his final 2 years were being voided for that to happen and had no issue because he saw Houston as an ascending team and the Bills in a bad cap situation, already not getting over the hump, tension with him and Josh, and about to be a mini rebuild or retool.  And him and his agent know he is not going to get $26M a year as a 32 year old FA WR after the season, so he knew his long term money would be less, but his situation would be better in terms of what he felt was a championship window and a fresh start too.

 

So respectfully disagree that he didn't consciously make the decision to take less money to go to what he felt was a better chance of winning a SB the next 2 seasons.  Especially coming both the season and offseason Houston had.

 

How is it a fact that Diggs took less money, where are you getting this?  It was my understanding that Houston took his contract and gave him a raise along with shortening his contract.  Pretty much the opposite of what you are saying.

 

Secondly, yes Diggs had drama prior to J Brady but it didn't seem to affect his performance.  Diggs took his drama to another level with J Brady - he showed it on the field.  It is unacceptable and Diggs had to be moved.  The non-movement off the line, and the taking himself out on 3rd downs were all only on J Brady's watch.

 

I respectfully disagree that Diggs took less money and thought he had any better chance of the SuperBowl - that is just his cover for his behavior.

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didn't insinuate anything.  He factually and consciously took less money to get out of Buffalo.  And the reason he wanted out was because his lack of faith he can win the SB here before his career was over.  He had plenty of issues here before Brady was the OC.  In fact, pretty much all publicly reported drama occured under Dorsey from the Bengals playoff game, leaving on day 1 when they reported back, the blow up after the week 1 Jets game, etc.  

 

His frustration was tied to losing and not his role under Brady which came after the fact.  I am sure he also didn't agree with exactly how he was used under Brady, but that was far from the main part of his story.  

 

And to get to Houston, he knew his final 2 years were being voided for that to happen and had no issue because he saw Houston as an ascending team and the Bills in a bad cap situation, already not getting over the hump, tension with him and Josh, and about to be a mini rebuild or retool.  And him and his agent know he is not going to get $26M a year as a 32 year old FA WR after the season, so he knew his long term money would be less, but his situation would be better in terms of what he felt was a championship window and a fresh start too.

 

So respectfully disagree that he didn't consciously make the decision to take less money to go to what he felt was a better chance of winning a SB the next 2 seasons.  Especially coming both the season and offseason Houston had.

 

 

How do you "take less money" when you are already under contract?  

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yes.

 

The texans conference record will be a big deciding factor in where this all shakes out since it seems they will win their division easily.

 

Especially, Mike, considering we got so screwed by Indy.

 

Huge game for the division and the season so by all means lets roll Anthony back in there.

 

🙄

 

Watched him throw that interception just before half in the shadow of his own goal post, AND falling to 2-15 at that point on the day.

 

It's like wanting to scream and having no mouth.

 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

How do you "take less money" when you are already under contract?  

 

They not only took his contract, they enhanced it.  Per ESPN below:

 

"As part of their blockbuster trade to acquire wide receiver Stefon Diggs, the Houston Texans wiped out the final three years on his contract, giving him the ability to become a free agent after this season, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

 

The Texans also took the $3.5 million guaranteed to Diggs next season and moved it up into this season, giving him a raise and assuring him of $22.52 million in guaranteed money in 2024."

 

Lets not fall victim to the picture Diggs wants to paint of him just being this incredible competitor that wants to go to a winner.

[MasterStrategist]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didn't insinuate anything.  He factually and consciously took less money to get out of Buffalo.  And the reason he wanted out was because his lack of faith he can win the SB here before his career was over.  He had plenty of issues here before Brady was the OC.  In fact, pretty much all publicly reported drama occured under Dorsey from the Bengals playoff game, leaving on day 1 when they reported back, the blow up after the week 1 Jets game, etc.  

 

His frustration was tied to losing and not his role under Brady which came after the fact.  I am sure he also didn't agree with exactly how he was used under Brady, but that was far from the main part of his story.  

 

And to get to Houston, he knew his final 2 years were being voided for that to happen and had no issue because he saw Houston as an ascending team and the Bills in a bad cap situation, already not getting over the hump, tension with him and Josh, and about to be a mini rebuild or retool.  And him and his agent know he is not going to get $26M a year as a 32 year old FA WR after the season, so he knew his long term money would be less, but his situation would be better in terms of what he felt was a championship window and a fresh start too.

 

So respectfully disagree that he didn't consciously make the decision to take less money to go to what he felt was a better chance of winning a SB the next 2 seasons.  Especially coming both the season and offseason Houston had.

 

You're accurate on a lot of posts, but I think this "could" be inaccurate.

 

1. Diggs wanted the final years voided.  Gave him a chance to be a FA after 2024

 

2.  He only had $3.5m of guaranteed money after 2024 (in 2025 year, none in 26 or 27)

 

Essentially 25-27 was a 3 yr $51m contract, with only $3.5m guaranteed.

 

Diggs wanted to be a FA after 24, ability to cash in on 1 more Sizeable contract.  Again, he had very little guaranteed $ beyond 2024.

 

Instead, he gets $3.5m cash advanced to 2024+future FA $$$ opportunity+ability to go to a team of his choosing in 25 (highly rumored to be Dallas).

 

This was all about Diggs, nothing in terms of him taking less $$$.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

You're accurate on a lot of posts, but I think this "could" be inaccurate.

 

1. Diggs wanted the final years voided.  Gave him a chance to be a FA after 2024

 

2.  He only had $3.5m of guaranteed money after 2024 (in 2025 year, none in 26 or 27)

 

Essentially 25-27 was a 3 yr $51m contract, with only $3.5m guaranteed.

 

Diggs wanted to be a FA after 24, ability to cash in on 1 more Sizeable contract.  Again, he had very little guaranteed $ beyond 2024.

 

Instead, he gets $3.5m cash advanced to 2024+future FA $$$ opportunity+ability to go to a team of his choosing in 25 (highly rumored to be Dallas).

 

This was all about Diggs, nothing in terms of him taking less $$$.

 

Ah, well maybe I am mistaken and misunderstanding the contract in terms of the void.  I thought after Beane restructured him that he still had a big guarantee next year and that Houston was the one that wanted to void it to make the trade happen.  

 

Thanks for adding that context, that was new information to me and can see now why it wouldn't make sense to say he willfully took less money.  So my bad, I stand corrected if this is accurate.  

 

@Einstein's Dog - This new context Mater just added seems to have cleared up where my disconnect was.  So my bad, although I do still do feel Diggs primary discontent and main reason to get out was about his waning belief the past 2 seasons this team would get over the hump before his career was done.  

 

 

Edited October 28 by Alphadawg7

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They voided his final 2 seasons.  Diggs and his agent know he isn't going to get a new contract at 32 years old on par with the extension he got in Buffalo, no where close to that.  And they are also fully aware that any significant injury this year would further deplete his future earnings as a FA when he is going to be 32.  

 

So I can't understand how you don't think he didn't willingly take less money to make the move to what he felt was a better situation.  If money was his priority versus being in a better situation to win he would have stayed in Buffalo.

 

All good, just respectfully disagree that he didn't willing take less to move on.

Diggs did not take less money -he got $22.5M from Houston and would have less from the Bills (see my previous cutout of ESPN article).  

 

Diggs and his agent knew he was never going to get the full amount listed on his contract from Buffalo in 2025.

 

So no, if money was his top priority Diggs would not have stayed in Buffalo for $18M when he gets $22.5M from Houston.